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by IwoCPO on 04/24/08 at 03:42 AM
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Round 1 was a quaint, engaging experience for Wing fans--particularly the 19 readers of A2Y.  Bubba’s fans dropped in from time to time and exchanged a few barbs with the faithful.  Friendships were formed between the two fan bases.  We bid them farewell and wished them the best.  Bubba’s bloggers came by occasionally and a few serious-minded, even-keeled hockey discussions took place.  Children were smiling.  Puppies frolicked as firetrucks waited outside, offering rides. 

Well, you can leave that crap at the door brother.  Leave it.  Because Round 2 is a whole new ballgame, a whole different dynamic. 

Why?  Because, we’re talking genetic hatred now.  I make no apologies and offer no excuses.  I despise the Dive, particularly the fans.  Harsh?  I really don’t care.  Check the glossary if you need an explanation.  Or don’t.  I’ll tell you now. My distaste for those “fans” started back in ‘96 when some monkey-looking skank held up a sign behind the Wing bench during Game 6.  It’s continued through every playoff series, every season.  I don’t like their fans. I don’t like their organ-I-zation.  I don’t even like their bloggers.  Joe at Mile High Hockey’s a decent enough dude.  The others?  Well, you can see them on the left sidebar. I put them there because I’m sure you’ll be looking to peruse through their sobbing excuse-riddled crap as this series goes forward.  But you sure as hell don’t see ‘em in the blogroll.  Never have and you never will.  I’m not in the business of driving traffic to places like that.  I don’t tell my kids to surf porn and I’m sure not telling my friends to visit blogs I don’t respect.

Was that mean?  I know a few Dive bloggers have accused me of that before.  I know.  I’m sorry. 

But, well…

I don’t like men who hyphenate their names. I don’t like men who talk about kittens and “hockey love”.  I don’t like men whose blog titles sound like the name of a show on Nickelodeon.  And I don’t care if I’m breaking some unwritten rule about being respectful to the opposing team’s blogs because we’re all in this together and slamming peers is not what adult hockey bloggers do well I’m not an adult mothefu***rs I’m a Sailor and I’m a Wing fan and everything else takes a back seat so you bandwagon elitist wine sipping leg warmer wearing clean air sniffing Detroit bashing pieces of garbage can all suck it and suck it hard.

Because that’s what this blog was founded on.  Oh, you expect some sort of analysis of Round 2.  You’ll get it.  But, I’m not done with the core of this issue yet. I don’t like Pierre LaCroissant.  I don’t like Mike Keane calling the Wings cowards and I don’t like the French.  Yeah, I said it.  I don’t like the French.  I don’t like a guy named Ian running our captain and I believe Round 2, Game 1 should feature a beatdown in the early goings.

Honesty and self-assessment are overrated in my book.  I’m not the introspective type. I’ll leave that to the sensitive ones in Denver, the Darren Garcia’s and the other “confused” fans of a team who consider 1996 to be “old time hockey” (thanks to the A2Y genius who came up with that..classic).  But here’s something I can admit.  The hatred between these two fan bases is steeped in one thing and one thing only:  fear.  Fear of your team losing to the other and having to live with the dark thoughts that accompany that loss.  We talked a bit a few weeks ago about how difficult it is to watch playoff hockey after the Wings are knocked out.  I’ll tell you this: The Wings lose this series? I won’t read a word, watch a highlight.  Not a single period.  I’ll shut this bastard down for weeks and go on sabbatical.  Hockey will be a discussion stopper in my house and in my life.  Does that make me a “bad fan”?  I. Don’t. Care. I’ve said that already. I’m not an NHL fan. I’m not a Central Division or Western Conference fan.  I’m a Red Wing fan. Period. 

I’ve been flying in frigging airplanes for two days straight, so forgive my surliness. I’m usually so happy.  I haven’t read the garbage in the Denver papers, but I will.  I haven’t seen the MSM predictions, but I’ll look today.  I’ll do all of that because I’m a sucker and I allow myself to get all worked up for series’ like this one. 

And I’ll tell you this.  I’m glad Footer and Floppa and new hero Jose and little Ian and captain Joey and crying Ryan are all healthy and happy.  I hope the Denver fan is feeling confident and secure.  I want that.  Because the thought of watching the hearts of the Denver “faithful” get ripped out and kicked as a result of a loss to Detroit is just about the happiest image I can conjur.

Wow. You’re shocked at the tone of this post.  The Dive feel-good bloggers will link to it and claim it’s just Iwo and his angry self.  Angry? No.  I’m not angry. Anger, in most people, is an emotion that comes and goes, ebbs and flows.  With beer and dandelions it can pass.  Anger doesn’t last for twelve years.  Not in sane people anyway, which is another discussion--sanity.  No, this isn’t anger.  This is Ohio State-like hatred.  I’m not mad at Dive fans.  I simply don’t like you.

And I will enjoy your pain.  I have zero sympathy.  None. 

So that’s, you know, where I stand.  Predictions, analysis, all that other stuff? Yeah, it’s coming today.  We’ll get to it.  A long day awaits. 

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Yes, thank you. Good luck to your team as well.

This ought to be one hell of a series.

Posted by Avsfan from Denver  on  04/24  at  05:04 AM

tell us how you really feel chief smile

btw if you want a MSM’s post to hate have a look at what that f**ktard Bernie Lincocome wrote in the Rocky Mountain News yesterday.

Posted by Pharazon  on  04/24  at  05:16 AM

*#$%@& yeah.

Hatred is a very underestimated emotion.  Hatred is settled anger.  The hatred of those who are near to us is the most violent.

Love, friendship and respect do not unite people as much as a common hatred for something.

Nothing inspires forgiveness quite like revenge.  Revenge is the act of passion, vengeance is an act of justice.

No quarter given, none asked.

Thus say the A2Y blackhearts.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from the research library in the ninth circle of Hell  on  04/24  at  05:25 AM

Hell, Bill, I think that describing the Wings-Avs rivalry as a Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is perfect for those who are not familiar with the ways of the puck, nor the fact that there is in fact a hockey team that, if it was a university in the State of Michigan, would remind its fans to not park their cars on the street, wear stuff to cover their Red Wings apparel while in public, and essentially “stay low” because there are people in the other market that froth at the mouth with bloodlust for “Old Time Hockey, Circa 1996” while wearing their Clode Lemieux jerseys. 

I’m with you about the opposition’s bloggers, too.  Not gonna read the drivel.  The Denver Compost and the Rocky Mountain Spews do a fine job of providing my recommended daily dosage of anti-Detroit, anti-Red Wing, anti-Red Wing fan commentary from writers who might be better suited to using their hands to work on something more along the lines of their cognitive capabilities, such as fingerpainting and playing tag.

Posted by George James Malik from South Lyon, MI  on  04/24  at  05:48 AM

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Posted by moore00 from Grand Rapids, MI  on  04/24  at  06:42 AM

Apparently, accelerating one’s life is not all it’s cracked up to be.

That said, I’ve never met a Dives fan I didn’t want to shank in the kidney, so I can relate.

Posted by O-Joe  on  04/24  at  07:08 AM

Amen, brother.

Finally someone I can relate with.  And before anybody starts dropping sh!t about that… I don’t love you, I don’t lust for you, for I am not Bubba. I just simply agree with you.

Here’s hoping that floppa blocks one with his paper ankle. Seriously, I don’t wish career ending injuries to anybody.  But I do wish injuries to a lot of players, if it be just for a series or whatnot.  Even a player or two from the team I am a fan of.  I would have no problem if Lilja blocked a shot with his mommy daddy button. Or even if Sammy were to breat a couple fingers across Ian “Frenchie” Lapierererer (did I spell that right?) melon. 
Do I care? no. Why? Because motherf*#kers, that’s how I roll!
Thanks Chief.

suck my d!@k, Gary. Ass.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI  on  04/24  at  08:54 AM

‘Apparently, accelerating one’s life is not all it’s cracked up to be.

That said, I’ve never met a Dives fan I didn’t want to shank in the kidney, so I can relate. ‘

Great stuff.  And Chief what a wonderful way to start my day.  Now I’m all angry and liable to stomp kittens or punch little kids in the face. The few Avs fans I know haven’t rooted for the team since their last cup, but will probably jump back on for this series(most Avs fans). Like the good old days.

Posted by AndrewB from TN  on  04/24  at  08:56 AM

I have no misconceptions about this series. I have total faith in the Detroit Red Wings as a team. I have total faith in our #1 Silver Lining, Chris Osgood.  The Wings are on a mission.  So....

“BRING IT ON!”
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.  on  04/24  at  09:11 AM

Glad to hear you back to your old self Chief… And I share in your sentiments wholeheartedly.

To report from here in the Heart of Darkness, the Avsmonkeys are convinced- convinced- that Jose is the Second Coming of Patty Wah, that Saklic, Floppa, and Footer are having career years, that guys named David Jones and Cody McCormick (what is this, a Monkees reunion?) are the future of NHL hockey, and that the Dives are basically gonna roll, roll, roll over the Wings… Who are, of course, too old and too slow, who almost lost to Nashville, an eight seed, and who are gonna get the snot pounded out of them by the likes of Andrew Brunette, Ryan Smith, and Ian Laperrierrierrierrierr ... aw, f*** it.

The air is positively thick with hubris, my friends, and the smoke of a recycling center near my house that burned to the ground last night.  Divesmonkeys practicing their Stanley Cup celebrations, no doubt…

Wings in Five, baby…

Posted by mudshark from Divetown, Colorado  on  04/24  at  09:16 AM

Oh there will be blood indeed. 6:30 can’t get here soon enough. Soon the Dive will understand we are on a mission, and that is to destroy the hopes and dreams of any one that stands in our way.

Posted by D Town in Bubbaville  on  04/24  at  09:17 AM

I really feel your hatred, i can’t stand the avalanche.  I can’t believe that everyone thinks they have a chance in round 2.  I hope DMac breaks Ians face on the first shift. 

Oh, by the way, I think I just boosted the readership to #20.  Do I get an award or just an ass kicking?

Posted by squirrely from newjersey  on  04/24  at  09:58 AM

Squirrely, somebody should have explained to you.  When you came on, we lost a reader.  When someone comes in, one goes out.  Who, we don’t know.  Why, we don’t know.  The number of A2Y readers always stays at Nineteen.

It is a phenomenon beyond our ken.  To try to understand it would most likely be to go mad.  There are more things on heaven and earth, Horatio…

As if to drive home the point, even the confirmation word for this post is sa19me.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from lands men fear to tread, seeking forbidden knowled  on  04/24  at  10:08 AM

It’s on motherf*ckers! Already had the Dive faithful come up to my desk w. their smarmy “So how many games will it take the ‘diques to eliminate Detroit?” or other snappy comments. I simply stand up, snatch out one of their eyeballs and suck the iris out. HR is getting upset. Something about “a hostile work environment”. I tell them “it’s the playoffs, this is how I roll.”

Yesterday someone taunted me for wearing my Wing’s ball cap; so I drove an ice pick into his skull. I’m sure his mother misses him, but again, it’s the playoffs, this is how it’s done.

I hope the boys bring their “A” game, the jail time will be worth it if the Wings advance.

Posted by wingsfanindenver from 'lancheland  on  04/24  at  10:15 AM

AndrewfromAnnArbor,
I know the significance of 19 here at A2Y, but your choice of the word ‘ken’ and number 19 just reminded me of the King’s Dark Tower books. Was that your reference?

Posted by AndrewB from TN  on  04/24  at  10:25 AM

Chief, you never fail to bring it.  I tip my hat to you, sir.

This is going to be a good series.

Posted by Joe  on  04/24  at  10:28 AM

Damn, that post fired me up!  I just did 50 pushups to calm myself down.  Might do about 300 more as the day drags on.  T-minus nine hours…

I was watching the Cubs-Rockies game last night, it seemed half the fans at Coors Field were rooting for the Cubs.  One of those fans was wearing a Kronwall jersey.  Oh, it is SO on!

Posted by Matt from Chicago  on  04/24  at  10:34 AM

“Fear of your team losing to the other and having to live with the dark thoughts that accompany that loss.”

That’s about the only lucid thing you said in that post wink

Posted by Shane from Saskatoon  on  04/24  at  10:37 AM

This is going to be a good series.

a massive understatement.  whichever team wins (which of course will be the Wings) the fans will likely get near as much pleasure out of it as they would their team (Wings again, of course) going on to win the Stanley Cup.

some of the players may be gone, and the new ones don’t remember.  but the fans remember.  think about some of the important Wings to this series who do remember - Draper, McCarty, Osgood, Lidstrom.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach  on  04/24  at  10:38 AM

Hey Fooler, the Red Wings die-hards at Dell in Nashville are passin’ this one around. Love the Avs fan bashing, keep it up- Sparker Jaywalk

Posted by stefan markey  on  04/24  at  10:53 AM

Was that your reference?

Not quite:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ken

Picked it up in Scotland along with other lovely words like ‘Dreich,’ ‘Pish,’ and ‘What’s a dentist?’ But I am familiar with the Dark Tower series, at least up until Wizard and Glass (where King kinda lost the plot).  Just call me Andrew Quick, the Outlaw Prince.  Ka.

If anything, I suspect this series should show just how ‘tough’ we are.  We’ve got Kronner, Drake, Stuart, Lilja, Stuart, D-Mac, and Drake all getting into the physical hitting mode that the playoffs require.  As for the Dive, they’ve got Foote and Floppa, but neither of them are as physical as they used to be what with age and injury.  Hannan and Frenchy are the only real hitters there.  Smells like violence, baby.

The playoffs make me feel like Susannah Dean, the Woman of Shadows, what with the split personality and all.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from the fortuneteller's tent, reading the tarot  on  04/24  at  10:54 AM

Ricci to Garcia, I love it. 

Did the game start yet, this is killing me, I want blood!!!

Posted by squirrely from dirtyjerz  on  04/24  at  11:09 AM

O.k. I brought it.  Drove to work in my car with my Red Wings car flag on.  Wore the Yzerman sweater into work.  Have red on.  Flag is draped on my desk, hat is on top of computer monitor.  People taunting me with “Go Avs!” Yes, the last series has made the Avs fans very sure of themselves.

So tonight, I will sit down to watch the game a bit late (thank goodness for Tivo) in a room that on the wall hangs the posters of the 97, 98, and 02 Cup wins, the team posters, my photos of Stevie and I will grab on to that and cheer the boys on, even though I will be surrounded by Avs fans.  LET’S GO RED WINGS!!!!!

Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO  on  04/24  at  11:26 AM

Well.

One thing’s for sure—If human sacrifice is required for getting past this round, getting up the nerve to do the deed shouldn’t be a problem at all.  Some were getting a little queasy about the need to eviscerate cats last round.

Colorado at Detroit - maybe the one matchup that even Gary can’t ruin?  smile

I suspect the networks are rooting for this series to go to seven games, and they might not even mind the scheduling difficulties of overtime.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan  on  04/24  at  11:38 AM

This is the GREATEST Red Wings blog post I have ever read.  This is exactly the way I have felt about our Wings ever since I was just a little guy.  My passion, obsession or whatever you want to call it for this team runs so deep that it’s probably unexplainable, and something that those a$$-clown Dive fans will NEVER understand.  I live and die with this team, especially at this time of year.  I love being a Red Wings fan.  Are we arrogant?  Absolutely.  Have we earned the right to be so?  Damn straight we have.  We’ve had the best team in the NHL for practically the last 2 decades.  Look at the numbers, they don’t lie.  And while we haven’t won as many Cups as we probably should have, we’ve been right in the thick of the fight pretty much every April, give or take a few speed bumps along the way.  This year is no different.  Everyone outside of Detroit wants us to lose, is picking us to lose, and is waiting for us to lose.  For some reason, I just don’t see it happening this year.  The hockey community at-large hates us, mainly out of jealousy (see: every person here in Tennessee that roots for Bubba and tries to steal our traditions).  Let them hate us for being good.  And while they’re at it, let them hate us for being good while they’re on the golf course, shanking a tee-shot into the rough (again, see Bubba, which makes me smile).  I hate Colorado, from they’re top line, to their fans, to the front office, all the way to the Coors brewery.  This next week or so is going to be something special, something to tell my grandkids about.  The story about how our nemesis brought back all of its “weapons” in an attempt to slay the giant that is our Detroit Red Wings.  Fortunately for us, though, our weapons are bigger and do more damage, which will create a happy ending for everyone involved in this ride we call the playoffs.  We’ll beat the Dive, again.  Go to the Conference Finals, again.  Take care of Dallas or San Jose, again.  And we’ll dominate another undersized, outmatched Eastern Conference team for the Cup, AGAIN!!  In the meantime, all that Dive fans will be able to do it go skiing.

THE END

Posted by Chris from Columbia, Tennessee  on  04/24  at  11:44 AM

I’m not an NHL fan. I’m not a Central Division or Western Conference fan.  I’m a Red Wing fan. Period.

Chief, you sentimental bastard!  Had me tearing up there for a moment.

Let the game begin.

Posted by Rumbear from Sandy Eggo  on  04/24  at  11:54 AM

Matt,

You might be doing pushups to get ready for the game, but I roll St. Louis style—I lift weights.

Posted by Nathan  on  04/24  at  11:55 AM

Nathan said: 

You might be doing pushups to get ready for the game, but I roll St. Louis style—I lift weights.

Lucky Bastard!  I stock up on Maalox, remove sharp objects from the house, and tell my wife to hide the children and pets!!

Posted by Jeff - - OklahomaWingNut from Wind-Swept-Plains  on  04/24  at  12:00 PM

That’s right Jeff. God Damn I Feel Alive.

Posted by Nathan  on  04/24  at  12:02 PM

Pure class....

Posted by PuckPhace from MT  on  04/24  at  12:07 PM

PhuckPhace… yuk yuk

Posted by mudshark from Divetown, Colorado  on  04/24  at  12:11 PM

I don’t like men who talk about kittens…

Thanks for reminding me, you instigating, you!  I really miss my poor cute little kitten.

Posted by lilja4ever  on  04/24  at  12:12 PM

Thankee, Andrew. You’re right he totally lost it.

‘Anyone else lifting weights?’ I never get tired of people ripping theanswerman. Almost makes me wish we were playing the blues in this series. Nah, who I’m kidding. I love it that they can’t get back to the playoffs. It enriches my life and brings me inner peace to know the blues fans are suffering

Posted by AndrewB from TN  on  04/24  at  12:20 PM

I couldn’t agree more with Chris about the Chief’s post and his personal experience. I’ve been a fan of the Wings since I was a kid. Went to many games at the Olympia and was there for Gordie’s last home game in ‘71 before he retired from the Wings. Back then, living in Grand Rapids, there was no cable tv available and the only option was listening to Bruce and Bud on the radio. In later years, first on TV50 then FSN-D, watching them was such a thrill! Their rise over the past two decades, capturing three Stanley Cups and consistantly being at the top of the league has been awesome, and fitting for a team who overall has been one of the finest ever in the NHL. We are third all time Stanley Cup winners, behind only Montreal and Toronto. We have a tradition that extends back to the 1920s, something those teams outside of the Original Six will never share. That’s another reason for their jealousy, because win or lose, the Detroit Red Wings are a classic, classy, extremely successful organ-I-zation. And they just can’t get over it. Well, this year I hope we shove it down their throats. Let their fans and all of the media nay sayers that put our Red Wings down, gag on the Winged Wheel. That, friends, won’t change their minds, which is just fine with me, because they’re obviously all a bunch of jealous motherf@#kers! The mission has begun and Bubba and their fans are already scheduling tee times. The Avs are next…

Posted by Cwix from Roanoke, VA  on  04/24  at  12:31 PM

Chief,

The passion that comes out of you can be felt through the computer screen!  Having moved to CO after being raised in the Detroit area, it has been like almost a non-stop bitch fest with the Dive and their fan base living here at ground zero.  I arrived the same fall in 95 as the Nordiques did.  Many stories to tell, and many good times at old McNichols arena and the Ass Can.
But try having to work with these people, and having them as neighbors.  I have always been as bold as I can to rub it in their faces.  They need to suffer some hard times like most of us Red Wings fans have over the years.  40 years following this team for me.  Today, they seem confident they will win the series.  I guess I may have to once again scam some tickets for the Ass Can to join Red Wing nation down there.  That is where we drive the Dive fan base nuts.  They cannot believe how the Wings fans come out of the woodwork.
Today is bring your child to work day at my employer in CO.  My 8 year old is proudly wearing his Yzerman jersey.
Good luck to all of us!

Posted by Jeff from Loveland, CO  on  04/24  at  12:35 PM

Pundits predicting the Analmunch to advance seem to be forgetting that Joel Quenneville is the Red Wings’ prison wife.  I don’t see that changing in this series.

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Posted by O-Joe  on  04/24  at  01:03 PM

Dear Dive Fans,
Please accept this in the spirit in which it is intended…
1)Prepare to get your asses kicked.
2)Don’t cry about bad calls, injuries or other nonsense.
3)Bring your best because we would have it no other way.
4)Eat sh*t and die.
Hating you from California
where insanity meets the
sea
a loyal Red Wing fan

Posted by Mike from La-La Land  on  04/24  at  01:05 PM

In case you need another arrow for your quiver…
In case the thought of Lepuke makes you shiver…
In case you don’t yet want to break things,
I give you a reason to FEAR the Red Wings.

Blissful memories of DOMINATION:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pab978XyR3E&feature=related

Posted by Scott H from Kalamazoo  on  04/24  at  01:10 PM

If Detroit fans are so “loyal” why the !#*k are there so many living in our great state.  I say if you like the Red Wings, get the F#*k out of Colorado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Bob  on  04/24  at  01:50 PM

Well Bob, I can’t speak for the others since I don’t live in your shithole state with your bandwagon fans eating your meatless meals standing guard over the trees and picketing whatever cause has your skirt hiked this week.

All I can say is that different reasons send different people to different places. Employment, family, whatever.  The fact that those Wing fans stayed loyal instead of climbing on the Dive wagon makes them friends of mine.  And if they’re giving you grief about your choice of teams, if they make you angry or sad, if you’re doubting your role in a masculine society because Wing fans are near by?  Then I’ll drink about 19 beers in their honor tonite.

Wanna know why Bob? Cause that’s how I roll motherfu**er.  Now take your medicine and head back to aerobics class.

Posted by IwoCPO from Washington, DC  on  04/24  at  01:56 PM

If Detroit fans are so “loyal” why the !#*k are there so many living in our great state.  I say if you like the Red Wings, get the F#*k out of Colorado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

um, what?  loyalty is continuing to root for your team even if you move out of the area.  your comment is just idiotic.  if I didn’t already know the answer, I’d ask you if you had the brains to come up with anything better.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach  on  04/24  at  01:57 PM

If Detroit fans are so “loyal” why the !#*k are there so many living in our great state.  I say if you like the Red Wings, get the F#*k out of Colorado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That one must’ve taken some time to think up.  Way to bring it strong, Bob.

Posted by O-Joe  on  04/24  at  01:59 PM

It is soo great watching you over-confident, aging, ice posers try to relive the glory days when being a Red Wing fan meant something.  It is the same talk, over and over again, we used to be good, but who do you got now, no one that scares me.  Yes, we do hate Red Wing fans, you do suck; all you want to do is mar, injure and beat-up the Avs, no matter whether you win or lose.  Do you even care about the game?  I know what a good rivalry is, and I’m sure I wont miss any sleep if D McC misses anytime, but I’m not rooting for injuries, I want to see good hockey, which loses its appeal when teams like the wings and wild cant take losing anymore and goon it up, which will happen, because you know you cant take the pressure when you are getting run over by a 6 seed with all the pieces coming together at just the right time.  Tell Draper to stay away from the boards, it would be a shame to reconstruct him again.  Do you really think Osgood will steal any games from us? NO.  Are you scared Theo will?  YES!

RED WINGS SUCK!

GO AVS!

Posted by Avaholic from Colorado  on  04/24  at  02:26 PM

The Avatards are here!
The Avatards are here!

Posted by O-Joe  on  04/24  at  02:43 PM

@Scott H—Great poetry, I love it—in a deep-voiced, very manly way, of course.  I sure wouldn’t mind seeing that history repeat itself.

all you want to do is mar, injure and beat-up the Avs

Well, I can’t speak for the rest of the 19 but, geez, is it that obvious???  Have we met before???

Posted by BobTheZee  on  04/24  at  02:46 PM

Avaholic, put the bottle down.  the Wings gooning it up?  are you serious?  have you even watched a single Wings game this year?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach  on  04/24  at  02:48 PM

Oh boy, ‘Avaholic’ (?), I COULD point out the irony of you complaining about how all the Wings want to do is injure your precious team, then advising Draper to stay away from the boards in case one of your players tries to injure him, but I fear the lesson may be lost on the indelibly stupid.

our weapons are bigger and do more damage

“I’m guided by the beauty of our weapons
First we take Manhattan,
Then we take Berlin...”

Or in this case, first we take Denver, then wherever else is left standing…

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from you see that line that's moving through the statio  on  04/24  at  03:00 PM

Why would I subject myself to watching the team I love to hate the most?

They will goon it up, you can’t tell me McCarty will take a cheap shot at the Berg any chance he gets.

But no need to worry, McCloud and Lappy will take no prisoners!

Posted by Avaholic from Colorado  on  04/24  at  03:00 PM

Tell Draper to stay away from the boards…

Especially when #14, I’min A’Derriere, is sneaking up behind him.

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Posted by O-Joe  on  04/24  at  03:08 PM

Why would I subject myself to watching the team I love to hate the most?

so if you haven’t watched a single game, how can you know anything about their playing style?  gooning it up couldn’t possibly be any farther from how they play.

They will goon it up, you can’t tell me McCarty will take a cheap shot at the Berg any chance he gets.

that’s right, I can’t tell you he will.  man, go take an English class.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach  on  04/24  at  03:26 PM

1.  What is “the Berg?”

2.  Who is “McCloud?” Does he mean Cody McLeod?

3.  Can we request the intelligent, literate Colorado bloggers trash-talk so the discussion is beyond the clever level of “you suck” and it’s actually more entertaining?

Posted by Baroque from Michigan  on  04/24  at  04:09 PM

All I can say is keep up the good work Dive fans! You represent the Avalanche well.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  04/24  at  04:11 PM

Oh, and also:

Why would I subject myself to watching the team I love to hate the most?

Same reason anyone watches a team they hate - Red Wings, Colorado, Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, Packers - hoping with all the venom in your cold, black heart that they will lose, and lose in an epic way, possibly with debilitating injuries, and you will be able to say you saw it happen.

(Probably the same reason Michigan residents watch the Detroit Lions, actually - hoping for an epic failure.) smile

Posted by Baroque from Michigan  on  04/24  at  04:12 PM

The thing that I like the most is the passion about the sport.  It seems all too many sports shows (tv or radio) start covering baseball pre-season games over hockey play-offs or begin over analyzing basketball playoffs without even a mention of hockey. I do love baseball and basketball, but give me a hockey game and I’ll be one happy motherF#*er!!!
That being said, I do live in Colorado, I do love hockey and yes (even though most of you will hate me for it) I do love the Avs.
What I hate is people making just plain stupid comments (Bob, i’m looking in your direction)that give the rest of us LOYAL (yes I used the term loyal in connection with Colorado fans) fans a bad name.  Contrary to what you Red Wings fans WANT to think, there are people who were born and raised here (me being an example) who supported the Grizzlies, who have season ticket holders of the Avs since the first game in ‘95 against the Wings (Avs won that one by the way). 
Saying you are a Red Wings fan (or any other fan for that matter) means (or SHOULD mean), and of course this is from my point of view, you love hockey.  The more fans we get to contribute to blogs, the more people who talk hockey, I think the more we all win.  Maybe sometime in the future hockey will not be ostracized to Versus (and local channels) but rather get some air time so we all can watch the sport we seem to love.
This series between the Avs and the Wings is going to be good, most likely the winner will be the favorite to take home the cup, and good for the winner.  Don’t get me wrong, I do not like the Red Wings, but you better believe I RESPECT the way they play hockey.  How many cups, how many years of consistent fan loyalty, how many hall of famers?!!!!
We can all bash the other team as much as we like (or more to the point, as much as we can to make ourselves feel better) but I do think we all should make damn sure that hockey gets more prime time coverage so we can watch more games!!

Playoff Hockey = Best Hockey

Posted by fan of hockey  on  04/24  at  04:28 PM

Can we request the intelligent, literate Colorado bloggers trash-talk so the discussion is beyond the clever level of “you suck” and it’s actually more entertaining?

What is there for “literate” to say? I can call Detroit fans loud-obnoxious louts who are on par with Red Sox fans for most obnoxious fans in the country (true story!). But there’s not much more to say, other than this, until at least after game 1.

Posted by Jibblescribbits from San Jose, CA  on  04/24  at  04:55 PM

Damnit.. what is there for the “literate” to say. Yes I know a misplaced error can be really funny.

Posted by Jibblescribbits from San Jose, CA  on  04/24  at  04:56 PM

“hoping with all the venom in your cold, black
heart that they will lose, and lose in an epic way”

Not everybody hates the world as much as Wings fans seem to.

Posted by Shane from Saskatoon  on  04/24  at  04:58 PM

Huh.

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Posted by TeamDub from Probably the garage, doing things I shouldn't.  on  04/24  at  05:15 PM

So lame, failed attempt at a fail.  I would say try again, but why bother I know you have nothing better to do, so you probably will.

And me english be quite good me thinks.

I know I got to you all, consider yourselves owned.

Just what I would expect from Wings fans, no class, and a lot of talk with no action.

I wasn’t implying the Wings are a team of goons, but it will be near impossible to resist when they’re getting beat soooo bad.

Posted by Avaholic  on  04/24  at  05:27 PM

Just sayin’…

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NTTAWWT

Posted by TeamDub from Probably the garage, doing things I shouldn't.  on  04/24  at  05:31 PM

Not everybody hates the world as much as Wings fans seem to.

I don’t hate the world - just noting that some people do.  It might be a reason to watch a team that one hates.  A twisted reason, but a reason.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan  on  04/24  at  05:41 PM

Yes, we’re within 2 hours of gametime.  Let’s reflect upon a few points, disclosure if you will, before I tear into you and your hockey team.

I am an Avalanche fan. I don’t live in Colorado. I was a Nordiques fan as a child, and I transferred loyalties when they transferred cities. When the Nords moved, Denver was gift-wrapped a championship caliber team, and their blithering numbskull fans became as spoiled as trust fund children at a debutante ball. Most Avalanche fans think Michel Goulet is a knockoff Vegas lounge act. I’m very happy to live 2000 miles from Denver; it makes it easier to remain an Avs fan.  That said…

I hate the Red Wings. I hate you, their fans. The juicy hatred I had as a child for the Montreal Canadiens and their tired act is transcended by the disdain I now carry for you, your organ-eye-zation, your arena, your recent history, your extended history, and all your players. Your failures bring glee to my soul, and I’ve had quite the gleeful soul recently. Watching your team slowly disintegrate into irrelevance, even as you still arrogantly paint “Hockeytown” on your ice, is the gift that keeps on giving. Year after year, your team builds you up, gives you hope, makes you proud...and then May rolls around, and suddenly, your heroes look about as fallible and phony as a televangelist. The only question, from year to year, is “Who’s it going to be this year?” What upstart is going to smack the vaunted Red Wings around their own building in the playoffs this year? “Who is this year’s Brad Winchester?”

Well, mutants, this year’s “upstart” is the Colorado Avalanche...and this time, it’s for the killshot. Avs win? Bye Osgood, bye Hasek. Avs win? Bye Chelios, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Avs win? Bye-bye, already-fading “Hockeytown” mystique...and you’ll be missed about as much as much as a pedophile at a YMCA retreat. This is the last shot at glory for guys like Hasek, Osgood, and Chelios, guys that have in all reality contributed nothing tangible in six years, and it’s likely the last chance for Lidstrom, Ginger Draper, Avery-Forebear Maltby, and perennial Family Man-Of-The-Year candidate Darren McCarty. None of these guys have enough time left for the rebuilding process to fully take hold and show results, and what a shame it will be to see them skate off, dejected, with yet another season full of prematurely spent shells lingering behind. A real shame, indeed. That their last real kick at the can was aborted by the Colorado Avalanche will make the sting all the greater, I suspect, and I think it’s fitting.

I could spend another hour or so dissecting what exactly would make this the sweetest non-Stanley Cup playoff series win of my lifetime as a fan of this franchise, but I really don’t need to. You don’t need me to tell you that your fading legacy is already hanging by a thread. You don’t need me to tell you that a series loss to this Avs team would be the shears that would sever that thread. You don’t need me to tell you that...because you already know it.

Avs in 6.

Posted by Anthrax Jones from Under the Red Wings Bandwagon  on  04/24  at  05:48 PM

Why is it that Avs (and non-Detroit fans in general) always fall back on the whole “yer team iz fallin apart now"… and yet every season, with every challenge that is thrown in the club’s way, they manage to continue to play quality hockey?

We’ll be the first to admit how dissapointing some of the first round flameouts have been, but hell…

Posted by Nathan  on  04/24  at  06:12 PM

I know what a good rivalry is, and I’m sure I wont miss any sleep if D McC misses anytime, but I’m not rooting for injuries, I want to see good hockey, which loses its appeal when teams like the wings and wild cant take losing anymore and goon it up, which will happen, because you know you cant take the pressure when you are getting run over by a 6 seed with all the pieces coming together at just the right time.

I know a bad case of Long Sentence Syndrome (LSS) when I see one.  Maybe the stress is getting to you?  Why don’t you take that extra herbal yoga class you were planning.

Posted by lilja4ever  on  04/24  at  07:02 PM

Do I respect the Av’s?  Depends on who were talking about.  Sakic...yeah it stops about right there. Nice hat trick Sakic, I still respect you.

I watched the NHL Network in the middle of the night and checked out the top ten most shaking events between the two teams over the years. It really cranked up the flames for me.  I guess I am going to have to pull out some old VCR tapes so I can get totally cranked. 

Patrick Roy clips. Wow. And now we have a like father like son scenario.  “I want to be like you daddy and make a fool of myself” on what was later national television.  I wonder what Roy thinks of his little disappointment. Nice call champ, beat a kid into the ground and then beat him down some more in a feeble attempt to make up to daddy for your total ineptitude.  “I needed to try and convince daddy and the rest of the team that my back up goal tending role wasn’t total nepotism.”

I have had a chance to see the Wings in a few cities.  Chicago--thunderous, but aside from the expected sh*t after the game a respectful fan base (my single experience---and they won---I hear it is bad there).  Phoenix---I pitied them for their need to be so ugly.  San Jose---some as#ery but again expected.  Dallas---again, expected levels of crap. But Denver---I was amazed at the depths of the “original Bubba fans” on the numerous occasions I have seen games in Denver.  The most pathetic experience was when I was carrying my 1 1/2 year old to the bathroom and this POS white trash motherf*@cker ran over (from the front with a view of my kid in my arms) and screamed “Red Wings suck”. WTF?  One bad egg an Av’s fan may say?  Yeah right.  That is just one example I can throw out there.  Does the same lack of respect for opposing fans and ultimately to themselves happen in Detroit?  Of course but I would like to think that even the lowest common denominator of Wing’s fan wouldn’t scream in a toddlers face.  The funniest memory in the Pepsi Center was a game in which Maracle was playing.  After some banter with a mother sitting in front of us about how much better he was than Osgood (to which I am now truly embarrassed) she stood up and screamed “Draper, you pus*y” to which her 13 year old son responded with a shrieking “MOTHER!!”.  Heh, good times.  How about an about face on this one, taking sh%t during and after a game is part of the fun...usually.

malts

Posted by malts from Texas  on  04/25  at  12:18 PM

I wasn’t implying the Wings are a team of goons, but it will be near impossible to resist when they’re getting beat soooo bad.

So how’d that work out for you, Avaholic?  Hitting the bottle hard today?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach  on  04/25  at  12:22 PM

Feelin fine today, could be better, could be worse, no shame though. 

I’ll make sure to have my editor check for long sentences next time.

Posted by Avaholic from Colorado  on  04/25  at  01:57 PM

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