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by IwoCPO on 07/03/09 at 02:21 PM ET
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Vancouver Province, via Malik
“I liked it in Detroit, I have no hard feelings for them,” Samuelsson said. “But they came up too short, and too late. In my mind they made their choices when they signed guys through the year.”
If we had a dollar for every time one of the 19 complained about Mikael Samuelsson playing the point on the Wing powerplay? We’d be able to pay the 2.5 million he’ll be making per year in Vancouver. In truth, Sammy provided some clutch play, a little grit and plenty of conversation.
Another inevitable departure, but a little surprising at how much he’s getting paid. Sammy’s happy with the cash.
“Obviously that (the money) was the key, I shouldn’t lie,” Samuelsson said.
No you shouldn’t Sammy. Discuss.
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Count me in on the Dandenault bandwagon-- I hadn’t forgotten about him, as the Freep had him as a potential target, but I didn’t figure he’d still be available three days after the beginning of free agency. If he is, then it might be an idea to seize the day, say adios to Happy via trade, and bring back Dandenault.
All of you complaining about needing to replace goals and points should remember that we can easily replace them instead with defense. We don’t need any more goals than we had this year without Hossa and Samuelsson if we tighten up, eliminate unforced mistakes, and play good puck-possession, then we don’t have win games 6-5. 1-0 and 3-1 scorelines are much better.
Dave, Lebda may screw up less than Stuart, but he’s given far less opportunity to do so. He plays fewer minutes against easier opposition. It’s easy to look good when you’re not playing tough opposition. And why do you rule out the possibility of Lidstrom lowballing himself for the good of the team? He’s made tens of millions over his career and is set for life, easily guaranteed a high-paying position with the organization after he retires if he so desires, and has always shown himself to be a team player. We know he’s not going anywhere, and hey-- five or six million over two years isn’t exactly chump-change-- many defensemen would love to make that much-- it’s just insanely cheap for The Perfect Human.
And Quincey with the Dive? Oh, now I’m feeling sick…
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/04/09 at 01:58 AM ET
Seriously, as religious wing fans you should appreciate the banter back and fourth from die-hard penguin fans
I think M71 has already responded quite well to you, but I will say that there is nothing to appreciate about the banter of homelessness, job losses, economic troubles, and base insults that have been incessantly and cruelly slung our way since before this series began, and even after the Pens won the Cup. The fact that we haven’t retorted in kind says everything you need to know about class.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/04/09 at 02:04 AM ET
Dandenault?!? You’re nuts. He’s much slower than he used to be.
Posted by cowboycoffee from San Francisco, CA on 07/04/09 at 03:35 AM ET
Not too bummed about Sammy. Like the Chief said, the constant complaints about him on the point on the PP...totally valid, and I’m not gonna miss yelling “pass the *#$%@& puck Sammy!!!!” multiple times per game. I wish him the best with no hard feelings whatsoever, but give me Abba.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 07/04/09 at 04:32 AM ET
In Dandenault’s favor, he’s a right handed shot, could easily swing between defense and forward if needed, finished a shift this past season with his arm broken in three places, and he’d be cheap. Cheap can be good!
Detroit would be looking at a serviceable role player to eat a few minutes, not a major piece. He’d probably do fine as a bit player.
Colorado is in full rebuild mode now, looks like. I’m a little surprised that they got someone to take the Smyth contract off their hands - but Preissing isn’t a great contract either, from what I read, and an inexpensive, young, puck-moving defenseman in Quincey was probably the price to Colorado to make the exchange of bad contracts. :(
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 07/04/09 at 07:34 AM ET
The Blue Jackets have signed captain Rick Nash to an eight-year, $62.4 million contract extension, The Dispatch has learned. That’s an annual cap hit of $7.8 million.
The deal will keep Nash under contract with the Blue Jackets through the 2017-18 season.
Good on him for a well-deserved payday and on the BJs to confirming that they want to ice a winner. Eight more years of nightmares about Nash hat tricks, here we come.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/04/09 at 08:15 AM ET
The comment about Dandaneault being too slow, mind you he’d be Sammy’s “replacement"… not exactly lightning in William Tell’s skates. And Dandaneault used to able to flat out fly, him being a little slower is still a step or 2 faster than Sammy & a helluva lot more versatile without the streaky scoring.
Grier would certainly replace the grit of Sammy and he’s solid defensively.
The unknown with Lils doesn’t help much.
Happy 4th, 19. Here in the midwest, it’s like living in Vietnam in 1970 as the fireworks are available all over....... and I do my part. Here’s $400 that will be nothing but rubble and smoke by nights end.
Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 07/04/09 at 09:38 AM ET
I like the Dandenault idea, though Quincey to the Avs makes me very sad.
Be careful MO! All I see in that photo is a very expensive trip to the ER. We took our little guy to a minor league baseball game last night and they had their fireworks display. It was such fun watching all of the kids sit in awe.
Happy 4th to you all! Be safe.
Posted by Aimee in Austin on 07/04/09 at 10:01 AM ET
@ MO - I stare in awe at your collection. Nothing says celebrating the birth of your country like blowing up a chunk of it.
Re: Dandenault. I’m sold. Particularly the bit about being a right-handed shot. And I don’t remember Dandenault as being a logo killer either.
A safe and explosive 4th to the rest of the 19.
Posted by Aphaea from Pennsylvania on 07/04/09 at 10:53 AM ET
Happy 4th, 19. Here in the midwest, it’s like living in Vietnam in 1970 as the fireworks are available all over....... and I do my part. Here’s $400 that will be nothing but rubble and smoke by nights end.
Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 07/04/09 at 10:38 AM ET
Today is my oldest son’s birthday. His brother, #5, got him tons of fireworks for his birthday. Trust me these are grown men by any other standard except their smothers.
I think the saying is Blow It the F@ck Up. Happy Fourth of July 19!
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa. on 07/04/09 at 11:53 AM ET
Anybody else think the Kings VASTLY overpaid for Smyth from the Dive. Priessing’s not bad, and we all know what kind of powerhouse Quincey turned out to be on the LA blueline. Not to mention the fact that Smyth has to be one of the most overrated players in the game…
What do you think we have to do to lure Quincey back from the dive now? Boy howdy I wish we could have him back in replace of Lebda, Lilja, or Meech.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from Chicago via Detroit on 07/04/09 at 11:55 AM ET
how bout:
resign leino from 875,000----> 1.4
resign hudler from 1.015---> 1.17
Dandenault (ufa from montreal, and former RW)---> 1.8
Drop: lebda (meech is cheaper, and can play both f and d, drop lilja too bc he can’t remember anything after february
Homer- Datsyuk- franzen
Cleary-Zetterberg- Hudler
Leino-Filppula-Helm
Abdelkader-Draper- Maltby
Lids-Raf
Stuart-Kronner
Ericsson-Meech
Ozzie
Howard
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 07/04/09 at 03:31 PM ET
how bout:
resign leino from 875,000----> 1.4
resign hudler from 1.015---> 1.17
Dandenault (ufa from montreal, and former RW)---> 1.8Drop: lebda (meech is cheaper, and can play both f and d, drop lilja too bc he can’t remember anything after february
No way Hudler signs for an amount that low. Also, $1.4M is a bit high for Leino right now.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/04/09 at 03:44 PM ET
Surprised when one of the Swedes says it’s about the money. Although I guess he just jumped over the second biggest Swedish boat in the NHL.
By the way, my first post since....uh, yeah. I think I’m finally over it.
Posted by bobby lang from The Ohio State University on 07/04/09 at 06:33 PM ET
oops sorry i switched the numbers...i meant 1.4 for huds and 1.17 for leino.....thx J.J.
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 07/04/09 at 07:42 PM ET
My favorite memory of Dandenault is his rookie year. In one of his first games he scores two goals against his idol growing up in Quebec, Patrick Roy. That was the final game Roy ever played for Montreal. Yup, young Matthew was a part of the 11-1 drubbing that cost us a few Cups and gave us a pure rival.
I’d welcome that motherfucher back immediately.
Posted by Osrt on 07/04/09 at 08:32 PM ET
Think Dandenault would be interested in coming back?
The team has changed a lot since he left - although some of the same guys are still here, which is unusual - but he left on good terms, he was never a high-maintenance prima donna, and he hasn’t even played against Detroit all that much since he was in the Eastern conference. And he wouldn’t be brought back as a pity signing, either, but would be expected to be a versatile role-player.
That’s also assuming he can still play. I haven’t seen many of the Montreal games the last few years, since the conferences don’t meet that often, but he isn’t 40 years old, so I suppose he is still serviceable.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 07/04/09 at 09:57 PM ET
Think Dandenault would be interested in coming back?
Our system is much the same, and is ideal for a well-skating defenseman who can move/pass/shoot the puck with any skill that is equal-to-or-greater than that of Lebda. I like Lebda, but not enough to pay for him. Bring me back Mathieu Dandenault! The ‘Nault used to have Helm-like speed in his youth.
Homer- Datsyuk- franzen
Cleary-Zetterberg- Hudler
Leino-Filppula-Helm
Abdelkader-Draper- MaltbyLids-Raf
Stuart-Kronner
Ericsson-Meech
Where would you put Dandenault, if you assumed we signed him? D or Forward? Or as Howard’s backup?
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 07/04/09 at 11:24 PM ET
I’d put Dandenault at forward with Draper and Maltby, and give Gator another year of development time in GR as a top-line player, rather than limited minutes on the wing (where he’s not yet comfortable) on the fourth line. Dands wouldn’t be expected to put up major numbers, and he’s always been a good defensive player. Gator would be the first call-up in case of injury, and would see some playing tme this year in Detroit, but right now I think it’s far more important for the kind of player he’ll be next year (which will probably be a full season in the NHL regardless of what happens) that he spend most of this year playing monster minutes for the Griffs.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/05/09 at 02:40 AM ET
oops sorry i switched the numbers...i meant 1.4 for huds and 1.17 for leino.....thx J.J.
I can see Leino signing that low but not Hudler. He’ll want/expect at least $3 million a year, I would think.
Posted by monkey from Waiting for the lambs to stop screaming on 07/05/09 at 07:58 AM ET
Bring up Abdelkader.
IMO, the biggest mistake the Wings made in The SCF was benching Abdelkader, he was a Penguin killer.
Posted by Serpentinestyle from PA on 07/05/09 at 10:33 AM ET
Abdelkader wasn’t benched, he was sick and on antibiotics (repiratory infection, I think I read). He played better than any inexperienced rookie in the playoffs had a right to.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 07/05/09 at 10:37 AM ET
yeah i think abdelkader was pretty sick......but anyway, personally i would put Dandenault with Ericsson and sit Meech....I think Dandenault experience would help out bigE.
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 07/05/09 at 12:05 PM ET
I can see Leino signing that low but not Hudler. He’ll want/expect at least $3 million a year, I would think.
3 mil for huds? uggh i thought he might take a paycut to stay...maybe sign a 2 year deal at 3mil...and raise his stock for a huge deal after that....but im not sure, you might be right
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 07/05/09 at 02:20 PM ET
Damn, I Hate the salary cap.
I may be somewhat of an aberration from the “19”, I am really going to miss Sammy.
He was a great scapegoat and whipping boy, and
Generally he couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn with his shot,
--but--
at least he shot the friggin puck. Sometimes, even fairly regularly, the Wings think pass first. You could almost always count on Sammy to shoot. No friggin telling where his shot would go - at least he shot the damn thing.
Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Hockey Netherworld on 07/05/09 at 05:49 PM ET
I’m going to miss Sammy, too. It doesn’t mean I’m not happy he was able to get a better contract with a team with a fanbase that appreciates Swedes, though. Detroit couldn’t match the offer that Vancouver was able to make.
I hope he does very well there and the fans like him. He should be a solid 2nd line forward for them, and I’ve warned some Canucks fans that he is very streaky, so be prepared for his droughts. They just have to be patient with Sammy and he will be a good player for them, I think.
(Some of them are just relieved that he will shoot the puck because sometimes the Sedins get so enamoured with cycling it that they never shoot - less than anyone on Detroit, even. I told them not to worry about that, Sammy will shoot at every opportunity.) 
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 07/05/09 at 06:02 PM ET
Mike Comrie? He’s 28, chips in a few goals on lesser teams…
We’d also get Hilary Duff won’t we?
Posted by Tyler from Arizona on 07/06/09 at 01:04 AM ET
Comrie also made $4 million last year. No dice.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 07/06/09 at 05:31 AM ET
So who else is ready for the eventual “screw you, our rules only apply when there’s a non league-favored team breaking them” decision to come out in response to the Blackhawks qualifying offer debacle with their RFAs?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/09 at 08:24 AM ET
Dandenault plays both forward and defense. The Wings drafted him as a right wing.
Bowman put Dandy on defense because his backwards skating was so good. I was sad to see him go; I always thought with him being able to play both forward and defense we were getting a lot of bang for the buck.
Posted by chloefpuff from west michigan on 07/06/09 at 08:51 AM ET
So who else is ready for the eventual “screw you, our rules only apply when there’s a non league-favored team breaking them” decision to come out in response to the Blackhawks qualifying offer debacle with their RFAs?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/09 at 09:24 AM ET
I can tell you that they’re already downplaying it on NHL Home Ice XM204. Apparently, if the NHLPA choses not to grieve the circumstance, the issue could be dead. The guys on Hockey This Morning were already saying “Yeah they didn’t file the paperwork right, but these things happen.” Um...excuse me? I’m getting a little sick of the league not following it’s own rules. Don’t want the NHL to be treated like hockey is a second tier sport? Then stop running it like it’s a college intramural program.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/06/09 at 08:56 AM ET
Hey now, I was a better president of our college team than Gary is of the NHL.
Posted by moore00 from the Ohio State University on 07/06/09 at 09:32 AM ET
We didn’t play intramurals, Mr. President.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/06/09 at 09:41 AM ET
I’d almost be more angry with the NHLPA if this thing gets swept under the rug. By now, you have to know the league doesn’t want anything to come of this (although I’d be willing to bet there are a few teams out there who would love it). But, the NHLPA has to stand up for its players somehow and I don’t see how letting teams screw around with qualifying offers is any benefit to the players’ union. This is exactly what they’re here for.
You know if any one of the players brought up the fight in the media, he’d get his way and get named a UFA. However, it would also do irreparable damage to his reputation. That’s exactly why we have an NHLPA, so that one player can’t get blacklisted for calling the league on its bullshit.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/09 at 09:51 AM ET
From a comment on The Puck Stops Here (not actually posted by him so it’s probably more credible)
here’s what a Sun-Times reporter wrote about the Hawks gaff:
The New Jersey Devils had a similar problem in 2000, when they ‘’forgot’’ to send qualifying offers to Brian Rafalski and John Madden. Rafalski was scheduled to receive $450,000 and Madden $550,000. Instead, they became unrestricted free agents, and the Devils ended up signing Rafalski to a four-year, $11 million contract and Madden to a four-year, $7 million deal.
This would just be another GLARING example of how the cherry picks it’s own rules to help or hinder whoever it sees fit.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/06/09 at 10:01 AM ET
I’d almost be more angry with the NHLPA if this thing gets swept under the rug. By now, you have to know the league doesn’t want anything to come of this (although I’d be willing to bet there are a few teams out there who would love it). But, the NHLPA has to stand up for its players somehow and I don’t see how letting teams screw around with qualifying offers is any benefit to the players’ union. This is exactly what they’re here for.
If I didn’t know better, I’d say that Alan Eagleson was still running the NHLPA and John Ziegler was whispering in Lil’ Gary’s ear telling him what to do.
For the sake of the NHLPA and the NHL Cheli needs to retire and become president of the NHLPA. He won’t put up with this type of bullsh!t monkey business
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Sunny SoCal on 07/06/09 at 10:38 AM ET
Happy filed for arbitration this morning.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Sunny SoCal on 07/06/09 at 10:40 AM ET
I expect the Chicago thing to go away shortly, and wouldn’t be surprised to see the PA do nothing. This is an issue about a couple of relative rookies. They don’t get much support from anyone.
I still don’t understand why the league has a rulebook. Enforce “verbal agreements” one day, not enforce written rules another. Might as well save some paper.
Posted by Nate A from Dark side of the moon on 07/06/09 at 11:27 AM ET
Happy filed for arbitration this morning.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Sunny SoCal on 07/06/09 at 11:40 AM ET
Tick Tock is confident they can come to an agreement before they get pulled into the procedure.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/06/09 at 11:34 AM ET
Leino signed to 2 year, worth $1.6mil. That’s a great price for the production we should see out of him. I’d like to see him get some time with Dangle Dangle, Z, or Mule. He really thrived like that last year.
I’m not so optimistic about Happy. His opting for arbitration seems as though he’s seeking a much higher deal than he is work. I expect his rights to be traded for picks and for Tick Tock to see what he can get on the FA market.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from Chicago via Detroit on 07/06/09 at 11:41 AM ET
Leino signed to 2 year, worth $1.6mil. That’s a great price for the production we should see out of him. I’d like to see him get some time with Dangle Dangle, Z, or Mule. He really thrived like that last year.
as in an $800K cap hit per year? That’s excellent news. I was expecting he might get a million per year.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/09 at 11:46 AM ET
According to LeBrunn at ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4308895&campaign=rss&source=NHLHeadlines
$800k cap hit is beautiful. Certainly makes room for another signing or two.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from Chicago via Detroit on 07/06/09 at 11:56 AM ET
I’m not so optimistic about Happy. His opting for arbitration seems as though he’s seeking a much higher deal than he is work. I expect his rights to be traded for picks and for Tick Tock to see what he can get on the FA market.
Posted by CaptNorris5 on 07/06/09 at 12:41 PM ET
Remember that Wally did the same thing last year, and they reached a deal before the arbitration actually went through. I’m optomistic that Happy will do the same.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/06/09 at 11:58 AM ET
I’m not so optimistic about Happy. His opting for arbitration seems as though he’s seeking a much higher deal than he is wor(th). I expect his rights to be traded for picks and for Tick Tock to see what he can get on the FA market.
I read somewhere this morning that by opting for arbitration another team cannot give Happy an offer sheet. Happy and the Wings can continue to negotiate and reach a deal up to the moment the arb decision is announced. Happy and the Wings each submit a proposed salary number to the arbitrator (along with briefs and oral argument), then the arbitrator picks one number or the other. If the team loses it can “opt out” and then Happy becomes a UFA.
By chosing arbitration, Happy has helped the Wings because the other teams are barred from submitting offer sheets.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Sunny SoCal on 07/06/09 at 12:07 PM ET
By chosing arbitration, Happy has helped the Wings because the other teams are barred from submitting offer sheets.
That was my reaction, too. And these things tend to be resolved before arbitration, simply because neither side really wants to go through that. I wouldn’t necessarily expect a deal to be announced tomorrow, but I fully expect them to get something done before the hearing.
Posted by Bio on 07/06/09 at 12:12 PM ET
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/salary/index?athleteId=4302828
You can find out how long it will take you to earn one year of Hossa’s salary.
It’s sad that Hossa makes more money every other shot than I do in a year.
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 07/06/09 at 12:28 PM ET
I still don’t understand why the league has a rulebook. Enforce “verbal agreements” one day, not enforce written rules another. Might as well save some paper.
Posted by Nate A from the Church of Babcock on 07/06/09 at 12:27 PM ET
Ha-Ha
Good one Nate,
History tells us that we can expect more paperwork explaining and clarifying their right to interpret and suspend the rules as per each event. Even the US Congress could do a better job than the NHL.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd from upset when blogs dont live up to my expectations on 07/06/09 at 12:31 PM ET
Anyone against resigning Jason Williams??? Why did we let him go anyways?? Was it a trade or something??
Posted by pgoody from Findlay, OH on 07/06/09 at 12:47 PM ET
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I’m actually optimistic about the post-Osgood goaltending situation. The Wings style of play generally doesn’t mandate a “shut down, stand on his freaking head” goalie, but just one that’s steady upstairs. Most of the Wings goalie failings over the years haven’t been due to outright suckery, but lack of toughness, IMO. Goalie salaries seem to be skewed high for the elites, so Holland should be able to grab a mid-range guy at a bargain.
Any chance of my favorite CMOI coming back again if Howard sucks that bad?
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