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Well Gary? Your League Is A Joke
by IwoCPO on 11/18/09 at 10:02 PM ET
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2-1 Dallas. Approximately thirteen minutes left in Detroit. Wrist shot gets by Alex Auld, rests beyond the goal line, under his pads, nestled and a clear goal. Referees Stephane Auger and Dennis LaRue? No goal. No whistle, no mention of the term “intent to blow”...just no goal.
Oh, but good. Toronto called. They’d seen it and the voice of reason jumped in to save the day.
“There is no goal. The whistle was blown to kill the play.”
Really? Watch for yourself.
“The whistle was blown to kill the play.” The whistle came at least a full second after the goal. What we have here is a LaRue or Auger screw-up, then a LaRue or Auger ego that won’t let them allow to admit, or even consider, their own mistake.
You guys have watched the video. You’ve seen that Toronto reviewed it. They saw, and heard, exactly what you did. Why didn’t they overturn it? Anyone have an answer for that?
It almost lends credence to this comment left below just a few minutes ago…
Are you sure they didn’t? Something tells me they did…and LaRue ignored it.
Posted by mrfluffy from Cincy on 11/18/09 at 10:45 PM ET
That was such an obvious miscarriage, such a clear, blistering prison washroom assault of a call…that it’s almost impossible to believe Toronto missed it. If they didn’t, if they overturned it, could LaRue have simply ignored them out of sheer embarrassment? Not likely, but something idiotic happened.
And nothing will be done. Nothing. LaRue, of course, is one of Gary’s best. A ref in last year’s Stanley Cup Final, so you know he has to be good, right?
I’m wondering what the reaction to this will be from the MSM and blogging “elite”. I’m wondering who has the nad to call this exactly what it is…another example of a travesty by the most inept professional sports league in North America.
Oh. That’s right. It’s just another Wing fan and a conspiracy theory, right? Ok. Go with that if you want, but I’d suggest you watch this joke real close before stepping out on that branch.
It’s no conspiracy. It’s reality and we all just accept it. We, all hockey fans, just bend over and accept it. We accept the worst officiating in sports. We accept a crooked, incompetent commissioner. We just take it because we love hockey and we love our teams.
It’s time somebody stood up for the fan. The guy to do that may be the guy who hung up the skates yesterday. He’ll never be a commissioner, but he can definitely be a voice to be reckoned with.
It’s sickening and embarrassing what we’ll put up with. If you’re a fan of the NHL, you’re nothing more than an idiot pawn. And I’m right there with you.
“It’s as dumb as I’ve ever seen.”
—Uncle Mike Babcock
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A bite mere seconds after putting the bait in the water. You sir are one hell of a fisherman.
Nevermind that you’re absolutely right.
Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 11/18/09 at 10:24 PM ET
Posted by LGP8771 on 11/18/09 at 10:22 PM ET
Watch the goal and tell me I’m wrong.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:24 PM ET
I wonder what Captain Norris of Zetterman say after a call like that.
Posted by mike from austin on 11/18/09 at 10:25 PM ET
*or*
Posted by mike from austin on 11/18/09 at 10:26 PM ET
that was literally one of the worst calls in hockey since the inception of video replay. i don’t care what stupid team you are a fan of, that was an embarrassment. astounding.
how toronto could let the ref get away with that i’ll never know. if he insisted despite them telling him it was in long before he could even pretend to have intent, he should be suspended.
i don’t even care that the wings lost.. honestly. one game of 82, big deal. and i can absolutely excuse the ref for not seeing it the first time, but this is an example of the very play instant replay was intended to correct.
it was absolutely the result of ego. the ref wouldn’t budge… they even looked shocked toronto had the nerve to call them on the ice.
i don’t particularly agree buttman had anything to do with it… in fact, it’s even hard to blame the ref who had no look at it. someone in toronto had to forcefully tell him he was absolutely incorrect… it was irrefutable. i think the war room is the real problem on this call.
Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 11/18/09 at 10:30 PM ET
Posted by LGP8771 on 11/18/09 at 10:22 PM ET
If you pull your head out of your ass before you stick your foot in your mouth, you wouldn’t spew stupid shit.
Email sent to http://www.nhlofficials.com/contact.asp
So, after watching the Dallas-Detroit game tonight, I have one question.
Why is Dennis LaRue a ref for the NHL?
It’s one thing to blow the whistle too early, it’s another thing to have intended to blow the whistle, but to have a goal scored, let another 3 seconds go by, THEN blow the whistle and wave a goal off is ludicrous at best. I won’t even go on to the worst case scenario.
It seemed that the league’s replay team in Toronto called Detroit to confirm the good goal, and the officiating team even overruled them. So what is the point of a replay team if the officials even ignore them? The refs may not have cost Detroit the game (which they did), but you know as well as I do, a tied game in the 3rd period is a whole different animal than a 2-1 game.
Fix the system before the system gets even worse.
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 11/18/09 at 10:30 PM ET
Hey NHL… Officiating, you’re doing it wrong. That was CLEARLY a good goal by Brad Brad May. Thanks, Gary. Ass.
Posted by Jennemy of the Skate from putting the b*tches in the box on 11/18/09 at 10:31 PM ET
i don’t particularly agree buttman had anything to do with it… in fact, it’s even hard to blame the ref who had no look at it. someone in toronto had to forcefully tell him he was absolutely incorrect… it was irrefutable. i think the war room is the real problem on this call.
Posted by perfection on 11/18/09 at 10:30 PM ET
It’s Bettman’s league. That’s all there is to it. Someone has to take responsibility for the continued ineptitude, for the two lockouts, for the teams in cities that have no business hosting them, the tv contract with OLN, for the joke this league has become.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:32 PM ET
anybody who has the ability to look at that with any objectivity whatsoever will agree it was one of the worst calls I have ever seen in any sport. ever.
what was that crap the league kept spewing a few years ago about wanting to make it so that no matter what happens, they want to preserve “good hockey goals.” well, that’s about as good as they get….and….
who is out there who can put the NHL’s feet to the fire on a public stage and get an official response out of them? is there anything we as fans can do? is there anything anyone can do?
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 11/18/09 at 10:35 PM ET
anybody else wonder why the ref was over in the corner instead of near the net where he belongs?
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 11/18/09 at 10:38 PM ET
I definitely don’t think this is part of an anti-Wing conspiracy. There’s no way the NHL would be competent enough to pull one off on that scale. It just couldn’t happen.
Posted by Kris from MI on 11/18/09 at 10:38 PM ET
Wow, did they ever blow that call. Jesus.
Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/18/09 at 10:40 PM ET
I definitely don’t think this is part of an anti-Wing conspiracy. There’s no way the NHL would be competent enough to pull one off on that scale. It just couldn’t happen.
Posted by Kris from MI on 11/18/09 at 10:38 PM ET
You’re right. It’s not Kris. It’s just basic incompetence, but it’s incompetence that could have been overcome.
That’s the question. It went to Toronto. They saw the replay. And they didn’t overturn it. Why?
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:42 PM ET
That’s the question. It went to Toronto. They saw the replay. And they didn’t overturn it. Why?
Are you sure they didn’t? Something tells me they did…and LaRue ignored it.
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 11/18/09 at 10:45 PM ET
gawd. the nhl. so much at stake, such INEPTITUDE. hoe embarrassing. it makes the play at third base in anaheim look legitimate, gawd…...
Posted by gunnar from ada, mi on 11/18/09 at 10:45 PM ET
Welcome to the 2008 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL Season-Long Officiating Experience…
Toronto taking a cue from the top notch replay officiating of the SEC.
Posted by Death Cab for Woody from Seattle on 11/18/09 at 10:45 PM ET
NHL Officiating?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_18EgERsI
Posted by pgoody on 11/18/09 at 10:47 PM ET
Are you sure they didn’t? Something tells me they did…and LaRue ignored it.
Posted by mrfluffy from Cincy on 11/18/09 at 10:45 PM ET
I was just thinking that.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:48 PM ET
This hurts. It hurts to be a fan of a league that will let this happen and then say absolutely nothing about it. You have to hit them in the pocketbooks to get their attention. Even if you do that and tell them that you’re doing it to get their attention, they still surround themselves with corporate yes-men who tell them that it’s only a few fans and we’re fickle enough to forget about it before it becomes a real hassle.
I don’t want to hurt the Illitchs, but I can’t stand when shit like this goes completely unmentioned.
Best case scenario is that the fans sue the NHL for the Stanley Cup. That would get their attention. The league is the steward of the cup, but they down own it. Maybe a reminder that the cup is given out to the best hockey team and not the best hockey business?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/18/09 at 10:48 PM ET
Barnaby and Melrose from ESPN NEWS just said that this should have been a goal and that it was a terrible mistake by the refs…so there is some response from the MSM…still can’t stand ESPN though…should be the called the Basketball Sports Programming Network
Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 11/18/09 at 10:50 PM ET
Welcome to the 2008 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL Season-Long Officiating Experience…
Toronto taking a cue from the top notch replay officiating of the SEC.
Posted by Death Cab for Woody from Seattle
Do I detect a fan revolt brewing? We could try to get an amendment: Toronto overrules ice refs and far ref can’t call a penalty without also consulting the near ref. Other recommendations aside from death squads.
Posted by Osrt on 11/18/09 at 10:53 PM ET
Toronto cannot overturn a goal if the ref claims he was reaching for his whistle. Thats the fact, so stop asking why they didnt overrule. It comes down to the ref’s call, its final.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:53 PM ET
Best case scenario is that the fans sue the NHL for the Stanley Cup. That would get their attention. The league is the steward of the cup, but they down own it. Maybe a reminder that the cup is given out to the best hockey team and not the best hockey business?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas
Smart idea. And we just discovered that we have quite the legal team.
Posted by Osrt on 11/18/09 at 10:54 PM ET
Toronto cannot overturn a goal if the ref claims he was reaching for his whistle. Thats the fact, so stop asking why they didnt overrule. It comes down to the ref’s call, its final.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:53 PM ET
Shut up idiot. Didn’t you see what the ref said? “There is no goal. The whistle was blown to kill the play.”
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:54 PM ET
Still waiting for the “NHL on The Fly’ program to review the game. Can’t wait to here Dave Reid side with the awful call by the refs. Don’t really expect them to question the league too much, lest they lose their gigs.
Posted by Down River Dan on 11/18/09 at 10:55 PM ET
Still waiting for the “NHL on The Fly’ program to review the game. Can’t wait to here Dave Reid side with the awful call by the refs. Don’t really expect them to question the league too much, lest they lose their gigs.
Posted by Down River Dan on 11/18/09 at 10:55 PM ET
Waiting on the same Dan.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 10:56 PM ET
if the ref claims he was reaching for his whistle.
Do you fuching read? That wasn’t his justification. He said, “There is no goal. The whistle was blown to kill the play.” Watch the video and join the revolt.
Posted by Osrt on 11/18/09 at 10:56 PM ET
That’s ridiculous. That’s why the NHL is smaller than nba, nfl, mlb, ncaa, lol, nascar, ufc, f1, lmao and other stuff.
If at least they said it was “intent to whistle”, that’s a robbery we’re used to. But saying the play was blown dead? Hell yes, goals do stop the play, damnit!
Posted by Guilherme from Brasil on 11/18/09 at 10:56 PM ET
sad
i got nothing to add
g’nite
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/18/09 at 10:56 PM ET
I just don’t understand how anyone can fuch up this bad. Seriously. Auld didn’t even act like he had the puck…he was watching May. The linesman in the corner had to have seen the puck come to May…and May backhanding it in. The replays all showed this…and don’t give me this intent to blow shit. It takes one 5 seconds to blow a friggin’ whistle? That’s 2 seconds for the puck to bounce off Auld to May’s stick and for May to backhand it in…and another 3 seconds after it’s in to blow. Toronto had the call right. LaRue didn’t want to make himself look bad…so he effectively stole the game from Detroit. Fire his ass. Drag him into the Joe’s parking lot and set fire to him and McCrimmon.
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 11/18/09 at 10:58 PM ET
I don’t understand how he can possibly say there was intent to blow the whistle. WHEN? during May’s initial shot. i mean there is no time in between when he shot and when it goes in….its not like auld covered it or it trickled, it went straight in…..he intended to blow the whistle once he couldn’t see it,when auld had it squeezed btwn his pad and the goal, and by that point it was already in. that’s just disappointing.
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 11/18/09 at 10:58 PM ET
Hey Chief, you just called me an idiot? You want to take that back? I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:59 PM ET
Ok. Next up on NHL on the Fly!
Posted by PRS from Philadelphia, PA on 11/18/09 at 10:59 PM ET
boys, boys. it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game. (barf, barf)
Posted by gunnar from ada, mi on 11/18/09 at 11:00 PM ET
Hey Chief, you just called me an idiot? You want to take that back? I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:59 PM ET
Shutup you dont know how to read.
Posted by pgoody on 11/18/09 at 11:01 PM ET
The linesman in the corner had to have seen the puck come to May
The official in the corner was the Ref, not a linesman, and on the high angle shot he can be seen with arms on his side. No intent to blow the whistle.
Posted by Down River Dan on 11/18/09 at 11:01 PM ET
Hey Chief, you just called me an idiot? You want to take that back? I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:59 PM ET
Oh, a take back? Really? I’ll pass, idiot. And go ahead and write Paul if you’d like. You’d be about the fiftieth Pen “fan” to do so.
And, hey, there’s one “r” in harassed. Idiot.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 11/18/09 at 11:03 PM ET
Hey Chief, you just called me an idiot? You want to take that back? I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Awww did that hurt your feel-goods you bag of douche? This isn’t exactly Paul’s corner of the blog now is it?
It’s blatantly obvious what happened, yet you put on your rose-colored glasses and ignore everything just to stick it to the Wings. Piss off to the Pen(i)sblog where you belong.
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 11/18/09 at 11:03 PM ET
Hey Chief, you just called me an idiot? You want to take that back? I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Posted by pensfan29 on 11/18/09 at 10:59 PM ET
You go run and tell on all of us then, bitch. Have you seen the replay? If so, tell me that you’d be as pragmatic about this situation had this call happened to the Penguins.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/18/09 at 11:03 PM ET
I can’t believe I was stupid enough to believe that the War Room would sort all this out and award the goal.
The league has to look at the officiating. I don’t know what they think they have to lose by doing some housecleaning. It’s obvious there’s a problem—the league looks worse and worse for ignoring it.
Posted by Bio on 11/18/09 at 11:05 PM ET
The problem here is that in order for the ref to have intent to blow the whistle, he would have to intended to blow the play dead before May even shot it.
The puck crossed the line as soon as it went on net, there was no delay.
If the ref was forced to watch the replay again WITH AUDIO he would realize that he in fact did not have intent to blow the play dead before it crossed the line.
The play was live when the puck went into the net. This is a clear misunderstanding between the ref and Toronto because the on ice official didn’t watch this with audio.
Posted by Jon from Boston on 11/18/09 at 11:07 PM ET
If I were Brad May I would set my shoulder square into LaRue’s solar plexus at full speed. Deal with that! The NHL is becoming a joke!
Posted by James Rumble from Sapporo, Japan on 11/18/09 at 11:10 PM ET
Did I mention how sick NHL officiating can make me sometimes, Oh I didn’t?
Posted by pgoody on 11/18/09 at 11:10 PM ET
If the ref was forced to watch the replay again WITH AUDIO he would realize that he in fact did not have intent to blow the play dead before it crossed the line.
LaRue would probably say he’s deaf to save his job. Or he could say he is blind (don’t you just love NHL handicap policy?). Or maybe he’d tell pepople he’s just a hot dog salesman.
Posted by Guilherme from Brasil on 11/18/09 at 11:11 PM ET
This is a clear misunderstanding between the ref and Toronto because the on ice official didn’t watch this with audio.
So what are the headphones for that they put on during a review? I didn’t see any this time, and that’s bollocks. This misunderstanding cost a team the tying goal. Review one way, each game, always. But no…he would’ve had to admit he was wrong…and that was apparently too much.
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 11/18/09 at 11:12 PM ET
I dont think Paul would like his readers harrassed like that.
Posted by pensfan29
Eat a dick.
Posted by Osrt on 11/18/09 at 11:12 PM ET
Any way to prove intent on slap shots directed at referees? I’m not saying Sammy-blast ‘em in the face, but maybe a knee-high hello there to let the stripes know that the players are willing to help them regulate themselves if the league isn’t willing to take some control…
BTW, is there any history of that ever actually happening? I mean, it’s just a simple cross-corner dump in and the ref got in the way, right?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/18/09 at 11:14 PM ET
That’s why I miss Shanny.
He would fight Auld for the rubber, be penalized, argue with LaRue, fight LaRue, not be penalized, get the goal and sign LaRue’s dismissal.
Posted by Guilherme from Brasil on 11/18/09 at 11:15 PM ET
I mean, it’s just a simple cross-corner dump in and the ref got in the way, right?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas
I would think Mr. Howe knows about this.
Posted by Osrt on 11/18/09 at 11:16 PM ET
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Haven’t seen the goal because I didn’t watch the game. But of course, anytime the refs and the NHL make a mistake, The Joke finds a new way to spin it and blame Bettman. IT’S A CONSPIRACY! The world’s out to get the Red Wings! Bettman won Pittsburgh the Cup even though Detroit had 9 more power plays in the Finals!
LULZ… Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Let’s Go Pens!
Posted by LGP8771 on 11/18/09 at 10:22 PM ET