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by IwoCPO on 04/29/08 at 03:36 PM ET
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Well, the Dive bloggers seem to be gaining momentum today...picking up a little emotional steam, despite the fact that this series’ best forward (for Denver anyway) is now done. A few of the Triple Bravos are getting a little spicey.
No, I’m not talking about Thom or his 3rd different blog in three months. Keep this in mind about Thommy. He’s an irritant, an easily swatted fruit fly. All atwitter because his adopted team is losing. Anti-semite? Me? Wow. Pretty stern term. Would love to see some evidence. All my posts are here for the world to see Thom. I don’t change web sites every three weeks or so. Find the evidence of that anti-semitism, if you even know what it means. Have it on hand in the event you’re called on it.
There are a couple others (who are legitimate hockey bloggers and honestly don’t deserve to be even mentioned in the same post) who called us out directly today, and they probably need to be addressed.
First, the hyphenated guy takes issue with our wet dream of a Game 3 scenario (Three or Four being given another start).
You might think that my recent bout with the flu would put me in the pro-Budaj camp along with Joe, Shane, many Avalanche fans and the entire population of Mo(ron)town. And you’d be wrong.
Wow. Flu’s going around Denver these days isn’t it? If I’m in the “pro-Budaj” camp it’s only as a gesture of respect toward Budaj in that I’d rather he stay seated and let his French pal flail around avoiding puddles of his own vomit and urine. That makes me a mo(ron)? Cool. I’ll take it.
Easy. Next.
Ah yes. The Dog and Pony Show. Haven’t mentioned this little fella before but I’ll be glad to today. He’s got some points to make. Oh yes he does.
An ongoing theme on Abel to Yzerman at Kukla’s Korner has been for Wings fans to make fun of the phrase “old time hockey” as it relates to the Avalanche.
He goes on for a bit more, breaks out a mathematical equation showing the frequency of Cups compared to the length of league service. Yes. Great point. Then he mentions the number of college titles for the state of Colorado compared to those earned by the schools in Michigan. Got it.
So tell me again how Colorado is lacking a hockey tradition, Wingnuts.
Tell you again? Ok. Get your nose out of your wine cooler tonite while you’re sitting on your padded Ass Can seats. Look above you to the retired Ray Bourque jersey. Think about how idiotic it is for an organ-I-zation to retire a guy’s number after fifteen months of playing for that team. Now consider how the Dive organization has honored the Stastnys. Oh, I know you think I’m referring to Paul, but I’m not. Didn’t have to think too long and hard about that did ya?
You wanna stick to college sports and try to ram tradition down our throats? Not a bad discussion. Give it a shot. But to compare the two NHL franchises and attempt to sell them as traditionally equal?
Next?
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David Driscoll-Carignan
Precious.
Does that mean he has two mommies or two daddies?
Posted by O-Joe on 04/29/08 at 03:24 PM ET
Dog and Pony:
The Red Wings have averaged .12 Stanley Cups per year of existence.
The Avalanche have averaged .15 Stanley Cups per year of existence.
The Red Wings have averaged .23 Stanley Cups per year of the Vagalanche’s existence, which is the fairer comparison. That could well change…
Posted by Cwix from Roanoke, VA on 04/29/08 at 03:37 PM ET
Dog and Pony:
Finally, one of my hobbies is to go on to Red Wings fan sites and read the comments.
Another one of my hobbies is to Google Image search “school + girl + thigh + highs.”
Posted by O-Joe on 04/29/08 at 03:43 PM ET
I just can’t take it anymore!!! The 19 readers of the A2Y blog??? I spend more time reading this blog than I should even mention!!!!
Just ask any customers that want to buy anything car audio related in Westland,MI at a big box retailer 
I guess I need to start posting more!!! I just can’t risk losing my lap top to due to a horrific in game accident!!!!
I love all of you!!! Keep up the hard work!!!
GO Wings!!!!
Posted by BP29er from Livonia,MI on 04/29/08 at 03:48 PM ET
O-Joe… is that a bad thing?
Too far? Too far?
Yeah, too far. My bad. Maybe I should just follow Thhhoommm’s advice and stick to the “dick-and-fart jokes”.
Posted by Nathan on 04/29/08 at 03:48 PM ET
It’s game day. “BRING IT ON!”
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa. on 04/29/08 at 04:05 PM ET
I like how the DnP’s post conveniently glossed over the contributions of the Colorado Rockies to the hockey tradition in Colorado. You know, the NHL team. Even the Wikipedia article couldn’t help but express how much they brought to the hockey tradition in Colorado:
Perhaps the Rockies’ most lasting contribution to the sports world is the use of “Rock and Roll, Pt. 2” (AKA “the Hey Song") as a sports celebration. It was first played in a sport setting at Rockies games in the late 1970s, and was later played in most North American sports venues to celebrate home team scores for the better part of 25 years.
Aside from that, a lot of losing went on.
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 04/29/08 at 04:06 PM ET
True, Colorado may not have as deep a professional hockey tradition as those cities that were granted an original six team
Granted? Umm...you may not know this but the Ass did not always run this league, so no teams were ‘granted’ to cities. They were there, playing in some other small organizational form, and had enough success to warrant joining a larger higher organization.
There were no teams put where they didn’t belong.
The Chief makes a good point about the Stasnys. But why harp on the rafters? Because if I’ve served an organization as horrific as the ‘Dique then continued to serve the Dive for my entire career, having my jersey retired there means nothing. F*$%n nothing.
Posted by Osrt on 04/29/08 at 04:12 PM ET
Aside from that, a lot of losing went on.
And a lot of Don Cherry Fashion Atrocities…
Posted by mudshark from Divetown, Colorado on 04/29/08 at 04:13 PM ET
O-Joe… is that a bad thing?
Posted by O-Joe on 04/29/08 at 04:14 PM ET
I’m more informed about how crappy the basketball team there is from his post, than the hockey tradition that two cities in Colorado have.
Posted by Sp4r7an on 04/29/08 at 04:18 PM ET
That’s all ya got?
Really?
I drink PBR. You’re welcome.
If this were a contest where points were awarded for missing sarcasm and blowing tongue and cheek humor completely out of proportion, you’d be Phil Esposito!
Give the blog another read (sound out the words...) and please take notice of the parts where I mention that “old time hockey” is silly, and concede the “tradition” point to Detroit. Before demonstrating with my complicated “mathematical equation” a couple of interesting Colorado/Michigan numbers which could provide a different angle on what is one of the lamest arguments in all of sports: tradition.
“We have been playing sports longer than you have been playing sports therefore we are superior to you in sports.”
Oddly enough,"sports" has been shown to occur in both Colorado and Michigan for some time now…
Fun times.
Thanks for trying to read.
Posted by Aaron from The Mountains on 04/29/08 at 04:37 PM ET
Frankly, everything I have ever read in DaPS beats the living daylights out of anything I’ve ever read here. But you’ve got that tradition thing going for you, so whoopdeefrickendoo.
Posted by Bob from Boulder on 04/29/08 at 04:49 PM ET
one of the lamest arguments in all of sports: tradition
It would be lame if it were an argument. Claims to tradition are brief memorials, remembrances about how the team/sport/fans have gotten to the point that they are at. When I realized that the pictures and retired numbers around Joe Louis (and even the Arena name itself) were something more than B&W;images, that these were monuments of people actually doing something, I got chills. I still do every time I look at the rafters or am told that Howe and Lindsay are in the building watching.
Ask the players if they aren’t affected by that atmosphere.
And I say all this because I am ready to concede that watching a NHL game in either Toronto or Montreal will beat watching at Joe Louis. Why? Because the tradition is tangible.
But you’ve got that tradition thing going for you, so whoopdeefrickendoo.
(The Price is) Wrong Bob, we have a 3-0 lead in the series.
Posted by Osrt on 04/29/08 at 05:03 PM ET
At least tradition in Detroit doesn’t consist of being born on 3rd base and thinking we hit a triple.
Looking forward to the game 3 preview...Show me Alex!
Posted by Matt from Chicago on 04/29/08 at 05:04 PM ET
3-0? Can I thank you for the early chicken counting when your statement above dooms the Wings to hell for the rest of the series? Is part of “tradition” not knowing how to count?
Posted by Bob from Boulder on 04/29/08 at 05:10 PM ET
Is part of “tradition” not knowing how to count?
That was actually a typo, but since I have argued that “tradition” is predicated on remembrance not superstition, I will say that the only Wings team with better killer instincts won the cup in 98. This team is close, and will ably demonstrate its throat slitting ability tonight. (apologies to Richard Z.)
Posted by Osrt on 04/29/08 at 05:18 PM ET
KILLER INSTINCT! .......
I just realized what makes Mike Babcock’s heart beat!
Posted by w2j2 on 04/29/08 at 05:51 PM ET
Hey Bob, if the Wings DO win tonight, does that mean you won’t be here tomorrow to talk shit? That’s Dive “tradition” isn’t it?
Posted by Chris from Columbia, Tennessee on 04/29/08 at 05:56 PM ET
Chief, you must be the only one reading that dnPOS blog, there still isn’t any comments over there.
Posted by aaron from phoenix, that makes me a transplant on 04/29/08 at 05:56 PM ET
Yeah, Aaron, all the Dive bloggers are here, clinging to the last shred of hope they have left, getting in those last few parting shots.
Posted by Chris from Columbia, Tennessee on 04/29/08 at 06:02 PM ET
Not true. I think that google blogs just naturally don’t receive many comments because of the interface they are tied down to. There are a few google blogs, including DnPS and Jibble’s, that I really enjoy reading but have never commented on because of the interface ... it just isn’t as friendly. Whereas this interface, as well as MHH and ITCS, are more friendly and conducive to something closer to a live chat.
Hth. DnPS is very well written and often entertaining. You can tell the guy has a good sense of humor. Sure, he isn’t witty enough to wonder if someone with a hyphenated name has two mommies or two daddies like the juvies you have here, but ..... hey, these are Wings fans, right?
Posted by Bob from Boulder on 04/29/08 at 06:04 PM ET
the juvies you have here
Umm...that’s a compliment around here. Take a lesson from Shane, Joe and Jibble in previous posts. We love all references to (blue) balls, transvestites in Avs jerseys, and feminine hygiene products…
...and again, thanks for the complement.
Posted by Osrt on 04/29/08 at 06:55 PM ET
Osrt, don’t forget “load”. You always have to laugh at the word “load”. 
Posted by Chris from Columbia, Tennessee on 04/29/08 at 07:11 PM ET
You’d like to dribble on Jibble, wouldn’t you Boob?
Posted by O-Joe on 04/29/08 at 07:16 PM ET
Umm...that’s a compliment around here.
Yes, that pleased me immensely.
Posted by O-Joe on 04/29/08 at 07:20 PM ET
we were GRANTED an original six team? not exactly how that works. especially considering Avs fans were GRANTED a hockey team and a Stanley Cup.
it’s as if the Avs fans don’t even think for a split second before they post.
breaks out a mathematical equation showing the frequency of Cups compared to the length of league service
how about Wings Cups in the Avs lifetime vs Avs Cups?
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/29/08 at 08:09 PM ET
...or how about ignoring the ‘Dique years in Quebec when calculating the “cup ratio” or whatever he’s calling it...add another 16 years and no Cups, and that’s .07 cups per year.
Posted by number9 on 04/29/08 at 08:24 PM ET
“We have been playing sports longer than you have been playing sports therefore we are superior to you in sports.”
who said we’re superior to you in sports because of our tradition?
anyway, it’s no surprise that people with no hockey tradition don’t grasp the importance of hockey tradition. you probably don’t think it was a bad thing when Bettman...Ass changed the names of the conferences and divisions…
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/29/08 at 08:55 PM ET
anyway, it’s no surprise that people with no hockey tradition don’t grasp the importance of hockey tradition. you probably don’t think it was a bad thing when Bettman...Ass changed the names of the conferences and divisions…
I hate Bettman. Absolutley. Actually I grew up a North Stars fan and got to meet Mike Modano back when he was still hanging out in high school parking lots in Bloomington hitting on chicks ala Dazed and Confused...so I’ve been paying attention.
I miss the old conferences and divisions. Lots of history there.
Simply, the “tradition” argument is old and tired when applied to newer teams. And as far as Denver “stealing” the Avs is concerned, it isn’t like we passed around an offering plate in an effort to buy our team.
We just sold out every Grizzlies game the year before they arrived.
You couldn’t say that for a place like Tampa Bay.
Now if you don’t mind I’ll be working on a cure for “being Swedish and breakable” so that Forsberg might last long enough to make this series interesting…
Game on!
Posted by Aaron from The Mountains on 04/29/08 at 09:16 PM ET
Nobody cares, Aaron. Certainly not here. And not even among the Denver bloggers near as I can tell.
You’re like the fat chick in the clique of mall tramps—kept around and tolerated just to make the rest of them look hot.
Posted by O-Joe on 04/30/08 at 12:05 AM ET
Aaron and Boob are typical idiot Avs fans who know less about hockey than they do about bandwagon jumping and harping on the *ahem* “tradition” *ahem* in Colorado. This Cup Ratio thing is the dumbest argument I have ever seen in regards to sports. First off, what a completely stupid way to look at something. Secondly, they conveniently ignore the years the franchise was the Quebec Nordiques - a total and complete blasphemy for any NHL fan.
The Avs were not an expansion team that started fresh......hell no, they were an uprooted and transplanted franchise with the same ownership and same players. IF I was going to make up a new stat like they did at least I’d measure the data properly: 2 Cups in 29 years = 6.89%. They also forgot the years that Detroit was the Cougars and Falcons, again, same franchise: 10 Cups in 82 years = 12.20%. Of course that way they don’t “win” the argument.
Morons.
Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC on 04/30/08 at 09:52 PM ET
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