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Playoff Hockey in March

by Alanah on 03/13/08 at 01:38 PM
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[Updates below -- because Pronger is really just “misunderstood” and “the nicest boy”...]
[Video now added at bottom]

Shockingly, the always-wholesome, sweet-natured, Lady Byng -worthy Chris Pronger has been accused of a nefarious act.  From TSN:

Anaheim Ducks defenceman Chris Pronger could face disciplinary action from the National Hockey League after stomping on Vancouver Canucks centre Ryan Kesler on Wednesday night.

The incident happened in the opening minute of the second period in Anaheim’s zone after a dump in from the blue line by Canucks defenceman Sami Salo.

Class act, that Pronger.  But then, I shouldn’t really comment—the game was on Canucks PPV last night, and being the top-quality broadcast that it is, they provided no video of the incident.  Tommy Larscheid had a verbal eruption while witnessing it from the broadcast booth, and then… nothing.  But assuming the Ducks broadcast caught this on tape, there’s reason to believe Pronger might be in some trouble for once…

Also from TSN:

It also marks the second time this season that a player has stepped on an opponent while he was laying prone.

In December, New York Islanders forward Chris Simon received a 30-game suspension for trying to step on Pittsburgh forward Jarkko Ruutu’s foot.

Well, hell will freeze over before Chris Pronger gets a 30 game suspension for anything, but it’s fun to dream. 

But for now… waiting on video.

Meanwhile, Mattias Ohlund is back in Vancouver and likely about to have surgery to remove those pesky bone chips from his knee, but it’s also possible he’ll be able to return in a few weeks. 

Or so said Dave Nonis this morning (via Elliott Pap, Vancouver Sun):

“It’s unlikely that they’re not going to perform surgery. More than likely he’ll be getting his knee cleaned up this afternoon. He will miss the remainder of the regular season and will be back for the post-season.”

It’s more good news than bad news. Vancouver has been the best AHL team in the NHL for most of this season.  Losing Ohlund for a few weeks isn’t the worst thing they’ve had to overcome.  While obviously not helpful, it is what it is. If he recovers for playoff time, hallelujah.

No. The biggest hurdle—the most dire, bizarre, freakish, unsettling matter facing the Canucks—is the continued absence of primary scoring power. 

With the Sedins missing and the best line on the team frequently being Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows and even Brad Isbister (yes, I’m including Isbister for a little glory here), it’s time to start making deals with God.

For years, we hear nothing but what a “one line team” the Canucks are.  (So by that theory, I guess they’re currently a no-line team?)

Daniel Sedin - scoreless in 10 games
Henrik Sedin - 1 goal in 10 games
Markus Naslund - scoreless in 10 games
Taylor Pyatt - scoreless in 17 games

Taylor Pyatt’s looked pretty good at times, but the Sedins in particular sure haven’t.  Hard working players, you’d normally just expect they’d work through it and that eventually, pucks would start going into the net.  But this time I’m not so sure. 

Either they’ve suddenly developed Jan Bulis Syndrome, or they’re playing through some never-ending, life-threatening illness. 

On the bright side, Brendan Morrison—only two games back—looks very good. And the rookies seldom disappoint.

The playoff race is largely unaffected by the loss to Anaheim last night. Along with almost the entire NW Division, the Canucks continue to be only two points shy of 3rd place and 2 points out of 9th.

One game at a time, I’ll just have to keep watching with one eye closed and fingers crossed behind my back.  All while making deals with the Devil in my spare time.

Playoff hockey in March.  Gotta love it.

Update 11:05am PT -- As Earl points out in the comments below, TSN changed their story as they got word that Pronger will not be facing any discipline:

Anaheim Ducks defenceman Chris Pronger will not face any disciplinary action from the National Hockey League for stomping on Vancouver Canucks centre Ryan Kesler on Wednesday night.

Ugh.

Update 1:30pm PT -- Video of incident, and apparently from Canucks TV, though I never saw it myself originally. Video quality fairly poor.

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Tags: alex+burrows, brad+isbister, chris+pronger, mattias+ohlund, playoffs, ryan+kesler, suspensions,

Comments

Well, I guess the link story got changed.  Now it’s “no disciplinary action”.

I can’t comment on the incident, though I’ll take a look this weekend at the ANA telecast.  I was engaged in a drinking event last night instead of watching the game, and thought I had lost it when I saw a scoring update.

“Marchant, Moen, and Rob Niedermayer?  I must be really drunk!”

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  01:57 PM

god this guy makes me sick.

Posted by ColdWar  on  03/13  at  02:11 PM

Ha!  Sounds like you had a good time, Earl. Better than I did… smile

Geez, though.  Is it just me, or does your Pronger get away with murder at a higher rate than anyone else in the league?  I swear, that dude could pull out a gun and start firing mid-game, and the refs wouldn’t notice it…

Posted by Alanah from British Columbia  on  03/13  at  02:11 PM

It’s not just you--I hear it a lot (and heck, I used to say it a lot before he got that webbed-foot look to him).

If he weren’t constantly winning games, I’d hate him too.  Unfortunately, I’m a pretty shallow guy, and wins do sway me way too much.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  02:16 PM

Once again the NHL shows why it is the laughing-stock of North American Sports. I really don’t know why the league likes this guy so much. I wonder what he would have to do to get the punishment he deserves. I think I can say in all honesty, I don’t care what this guy brings to the table, I would never want that sorry excuse of a “professional” athlete on my team.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  02:25 PM

If he weren’t constantly winning games, I’d hate him too.

Classic. Rational thought and homerism in the same sentence. Well done, Earl, especially coming the day after a drinking contest.

And, yes, my cherubic one, Pinhead does get away with more crap than anyone else in the league. Hey, can’t afford to offend the West Coasters. They and the Deep South represent the league’s salvation, you know. Right! Thanks Gary. Ass.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids  on  03/13  at  02:26 PM

Sp4r7an--

It’s easy to play high-and-mighty, and I’m not saying you’re wrong, but one thing Anaheim has going for it is that Pronger is just one of many thugs.  It’s easier to overlook Pronger’s faults when you can just say “well, at least he’s not Bertuzzi or May”.

And if he brings you a cup, you’d still refuse?  You are a highly-principled person.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  02:28 PM

Earl,

Pronger would not bring us the cup by himself. So yes even if he were on the Wings and they won a cup I would not like him. I might tolerate him like I did Bertuzzi, but I would never be happy he played for the Wings. I would much rather have a team win by playing clean and fair hockey. Playing under the skin of the opponents skin is one thing, but playing like your only goal is to hurt the other teams players in anyway is another.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  02:36 PM

Bah. Pretend I proofread and fix my mistakes in your head. wink

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  02:38 PM

Well, when half of the Canucks roster is comprised of ‘superpests’ something bad is bound to happen sooner or later.  Considering that the Ducks aren’t exactly known for there mild temperment, perhaps Burrows and pals should have thought twice before dishing out the cheap shots and trash talk?

Posted by Bob Paulson  on  03/13  at  02:38 PM

Just another example of Colin Campbell pulling out his special binary wheel of justice for Chris Pronger.

It’s the same as a roulette wheel with 0 and 1 being the only numbers on the wheel.

Posted by dash_pinched  on  03/13  at  02:39 PM

Cute line, dash_pinched.

I suppose had Pronger got another suspension, it would be his third straight incident where he got a suspension despite not being called for an infraction from the on-ice officials.

Strange how he always blatantly deserves disciplinary action for “playing like your only goal is to hurt the other team’s players”, but it’s only obvious on review.

Anyway, I blame the referees failing to make an on-ice call for the lightness of his previous suspensions.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  02:45 PM

Anyway, I blame the referees failing to make an on-ice call for the lightness of his previous suspensions.

Earl, I say this with affection: That’s ridiculous.  It would be helpful if the officials called him for his garbage on ice but the only thing you can really blame it on is Colin Campbell’s incompetence and the league’s mind-boggling love affair with Pronger.  Many, many other players in the exact same situation would get a suspension - if not a multiple game suspension - whether there was a penalty called or not.

Posted by Heather B. from Buffalo, NY  on  03/13  at  03:37 PM

(shrug) It may be ridiculous, but it is what it is.

I only bring it up because everyone seems fixated on the fact that the only commonality of Pronger’s suspensions is that they involve Pronger.  That may be the case, but there is another commonality--lack of a call.  Whether it’s justified or not, the NHL has gone lighter on offenses that aren’t called on the ice.  Whether you like that or not, it does shed some light on why the NHL seems to like Chris Pronger.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  03:47 PM

That is the beauty of video, the refs can’t catch everything. When they don’t thats when the league needs to take action further. Just because the refs didn’t see it doesn’t mean the infraction should go unpunished. If someone does something dirty and against the rules I don’t care who it is or who sees it in the arena, it is the leagues job to take action.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  03:47 PM

Sure, I got no problem with that.  The league did suspend Pronger twice off of video, but those were awfully light suspensions (one playoff game apiece).  If the league needs to be tougher on non-called incidents, that’s something to talk about.

But that’s not the same as saying the league needs to be tougher on Pronger specifically.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  03:57 PM

How about if we say they need to be tougher on non-called incidents AND tougher on Pronger?  Because I think both are true.  I still maintain that another player in some of Pronger’s situations would’ve gotten multi-game suspensions whether there was a call on the ice or not especially if that player already had suspensions on his record.  Pronger seems to be one of the few players whose suspensions don’t get progressively longer.

So no, it doesn’t really shed light on why the NHL likes Pronger just that they clearly do.

Posted by Heather B. from Buffalo, NY  on  03/13  at  04:09 PM

Well, until I see some more conclusive video, I don’t know how clear it really is.  I don’t know if I’d suspend anyone based on the snippet on TSN, Pronger or not.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  04:16 PM

Well yes I do agree with you there. I am just assuming Pronger has done something wrong because he usually does. So I am being a little unfair. But you know...it is Sasquatch.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  04:21 PM

I’ve updated the post with video. Not the greatest quality.

Posted by Alanah from British Columbia  on  03/13  at  04:43 PM

i dunno. 
on one hand, i think the shot of his ugly mug at the end is hilarious.  looks like a dumb goon.
on the other hand, maybe, just maybe he was kicking to unstick his skate, or something.  i hate giving the ‘squatch any benefit of doubt ... but the video feed isn’t clear.

Posted by ColdWar  on  03/13  at  05:01 PM

This is what i get for jumping to conclusions. I don’t think he did anything wrong there. But I’m sure he wont disappoint, he’ll do something else and blame it on his genetics again.

Posted by Sp4r7an  on  03/13  at  05:04 PM

Check Youtube for the Simon stomp on Ruutu. I’d say considering Pronger was facing away from the action while still on his shift, he was looking way too long and hard before that stomp. Simon got 30 games. But, since he’s the Ducks captain, playing for the defending Stanley Cup champs, and in a market that needs all the help it can get to bring in fans, he gets nothing. Disgusting.

Posted by senshobo  on  03/13  at  05:28 PM

Senshobo, you are the C.S.I. of inconclusive video.  Hope you get that Emmy.

Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA  on  03/13  at  05:46 PM

look, pronger is a gutless wonder. he continues to get away with every thing under the sun. but every dog has it’s day and his time is gonna come. maybe another shot to the chest to stop his heart. maybe something else. karma baby karma, and his is all bad.

Posted by kate from pa.  on  03/13  at  06:30 PM

I just want to add that, despite my dislike and general distrust of Pronger’s behavior on a frequent basis, that video does not show any guilt. It doesn’t show much at all really, and if that’s the only view the NHL had of the incident, I can certainly understand why there was no action taken.

It’s just that Pronger’s just done this sort of thing so often, it’s easy to believe the worst in him.  Not that I should… it’s just a hard habit to break. And when Kesler says (as he did) “He stomped on me. He got me on the calf,” I happen to find it very easy to believe him.

But the video doesn’t prove it, so that’s the end of it.  I’m just glad Kesler’s okay.

Posted by Alanah from British Columbia  on  03/13  at  07:49 PM

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