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by IwoCPO on 11/16/09 at 08:51 AM ET
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The last time I saw John Buccigross on television I think he had a perm. That, in itself, is pathetic. Men don’t get perms and they don’t use exclamation points. In his defense, I don’t believe John Buccigross uses exclamation points in his columns for ESPN.
But there are other issues. One big one that I’m not ready to let go of. Not yet, mainly because this Buccigross thing? It’s the MSM’s view of Detroit in a nutshell so far this year.
We’ve focused on the “past their prime” thing. We’re on it and we’ll be on it all year. It will continue to be a rallying cry whenever Zetterberg puts up five points or Datsyuk makes a game his own, and especially when Zetterberg leads his team to another gold medal in Don Cherry’s backyard this February. Yeah. I went there.
But there are other elements to Buccigross’ idiocy. Other aspects of his response on 22 October that deserve your scorn.
After 18 games, the Wings sit 4th in goals scored. Ok. For now. Bucci?
The Red Wings will struggle to score goals and that is a problem because they are not constructed to prevent them.
19, a nice round number, goals their last three games. Averaging 4 goals per game their last 9 games.
They continue to live off their power players and struggle with their penalty killing and goaltending.
Over those last nine games? 27 even strength goals. And over those nine games? 7 wins and five games with 1 goal or less allowed.
This is my favorite, because John Buccigross is so qualified to make this claim.
Younger players are more energetic, more durable, heal quicker and, most important, have heightened mental clarity because younger people think only of the present, which is the key to creativity and productivity.
Pavel Datsyuk and Hank Zetterberg, according to John Buccigross, don’t have the “mental clarity” of their younger peers. Got it. So when some of the younger stars of the league are losing their minds, crying over officiating, punching people in the nuts, instigating in Stanley Cup Finals games, slew footing, refusing to back check, refusing to leave the ice during a power play and allowing 9 goals against even when you’re the brightest goaltending star to hit the NHL in decades? I guess when that’s all going on their mental acumen is sharp, sharp, sharp.
And that’s the key to “creativity and productivity”. Two attributes that just don’t go hand in hand with Datsyuk (the most creative player in hockey) or Zetterberg (on pace for an even 100 points).
I don’t like to belabor things here. That’s not how we roll. We simply don’t like to ping on one thing over and over and over again until it becomes so redundant that you want to close your eyes and swallow something poisonous. But this is the exception. Buccigross, perm and all, gave us something that just keeps revealing new tidbits of glory.
And you can thank Kate. It was her comment in this post that got me going today. Blame her, not me.
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Comments
He say’s he loves all 30 teams equally
Just like Jesus!
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 11/16/09 at 10:58 AM ET
Jesus hates the Ducks.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/16/09 at 11:01 AM ET
Hell, even SATAN hates the Ducks. 
And regarding the “mental acuity of the young” from the point of view of someone who has graded the attempts at papers of college freshman - if THAT is the best we can do, the entire human species is well and truly f***ed from all points of the compass, because they have TAPIOCA FOR BRAINS.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:17 PM ET
... because they have TAPIOCA FOR BRAINS.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:17 PM ET
You’re right, as usual, Baroque.
Recent studies confirm it:
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 06:25 PM ET
And regarding the “mental acuity of the young” from the point of view of someone who has graded the attempts at papers of college freshman - if THAT is the best we can do, the entire human species is well and truly f***ed from all points of the compass, because they have TAPIOCA FOR BRAINS.
Posted by Baroque
I can haz brain?
The only thing I really try to teach is interest in the world. Light that fire and let them blaze their own path.
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 06:29 PM ET
Maybe there should be a takeaway event in the next all star game. Give Pavel the puck and see how long it takes each player to get it away from him. It would be like a hockey bull riding event which of course would fit perfectly on the Network that Gary Built.
Posted by Nate A from Dark side of the moon on 11/16/09 at 12:06 PM ET
I would pay to see that - professional hockey players reduced to the equivalent of Trevor Thompson against Pavel.
And I don’t get anyone’s pop culture references because I don’t watch the OC, or Top Gear, or any of those other television shows. So it has nothing to do with age (but I’m 39, so clearly well past my own prime - as I have been informed that after 25 women just go downhill). 
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:32 PM ET
The only thing I really try to teach is interest in the world. Light that fire and let them blaze their own path.
Some of them couldn’t tell the difference between fruit flies and crickets.
Some of them asked for partial credit on MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAMS, because the right answer was D, and they picked C, so they were only one off and should have gotten half a point.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:34 PM ET
Some of them asked for partial credit on MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAMS, because the right answer was D, and they picked C, so they were only one off and should have gotten half a point.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:34 PM ET
Are we seriously referring to college freshman?
(If so, this is truly very sad ... )
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 06:39 PM ET
Are we seriously referring to college freshman?
(If so, this is truly very sad ... )Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 06:39 PM ET
Yes.
“Mental acuity of the young,” my ass. Complete and utter stupidity is unbounded by any barriers of age.
They also didn’t think it was “fair” that some of the wrong answers were the end results of very common calculation errors, because the wrong answers should be more obvious than that.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:44 PM ET
(If so, this is truly very sad ... )
Posted by stonehands-78
It’s devastating. The increasing complaint is about students who believe they deserve an A because they paid for the class.
Some of the things college students, especially freshmen, say is just incredible. You can also see the effects of text speak in their papers. I’ve gotten plenty of emoticons, “lol”, “u” “ur” etc..
BTW:
Have you guys read this? I’ve never heard of Jimmy D and Scotty conspiring to make Stevie play a two way game by threatening to trade him.
http://www.the6thsens.com/2009-articles/november/yzerman-to-ottawa.html
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 06:50 PM ET
Some of them asked for partial credit on MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAMS, because the right answer was D, and they picked C, so they were only one off and should have gotten half a point.
More evidence that the AYSO-everyone-gets-a-trophy-self-esteem movement is ruining this country. There is no participation trophy in the real world.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/16/09 at 06:53 PM ET
They also didn’t think it was “fair” that some of the wrong answers were the end results of very common calculation errors, because the wrong answers should be more obvious than that.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 06:44 PM ET
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 06:59 PM ET
Wow. Just wow. There is more intellectual curiosity, juveniliciousness, sarcasm, wisdom, immaturity and knowledge on this site than any other I’ve come across before. Is this a great place or what? I consider all of you to be my closest imaginary friends.
Posted by calquake on 11/16/09 at 07:02 PM ET
p.s. Forsberg to sign with Modo….no NHL this year.
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 11/16/09 at 07:06 PM ET
p.s. Forsberg to sign with Modo….no NHL this year.
Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 11/16/09 at 07:06 PM ET
I shall offer thanks to the hockey gods for sparing us the endless lame drama of Forsberg for at least one more year.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 07:09 PM ET
And then there are the smart students, who work hard, don’t plagiarize papers off the internet, actually care about learning the information they need to in the subjects that interest them ... too bad there aren’t more of those people.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 07:11 PM ET
p.s. Forsberg to sign with Modo….no NHL this year.
But… but… Bobby Clarke and Keith Jones said he was going to play in the NHL. And Rosby should be captain of Team Canada.
It’s a good thing I listened to Bob MacKenzie.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 11/16/09 at 07:13 PM ET
BTW:
Have you guys read this? I’ve never heard of Jimmy D and Scotty conspiring to make Stevie play a two way game by threatening to trade him.
http://www.the6thsens.com/2009-articles/november/yzerman-to-ottawa.html
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 06:50 PM ET
I remember this.
The rumors were wild.
And the tension around the team was real tight.
What was behind the scenes, factually, totally, we may never know. The story is part of the “Stevie Y. legend” - the fact that he stayed / was allowed to stay and went on to be THE Captain with all the acheivements for the Red Wings is part - a big part - of why he is the hero / favorite player for many of all ages.
Destiny of Dynasty
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 07:14 PM ET
And Rosby should be Aptain of Team Anada.
Fixed.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/16/09 at 07:15 PM ET
Versus just starting with the Devils and YES Flyers.
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 07:21 PM ET
Sorry I’m late to the party gang. Just got home from work.
Besides, Top Gear has just started their new season, and the new episode just landed onto my harddrive. Nothing can break my buzz this morning, not Bucci, not the Douche Canoe, not Dater… nothing and nobody.
I am the Stig.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 11/16/09 at 12:15 PM ET
GAWD I f***ing LOVE that show. So awesome. My smugness goes up each time I watch it. I get into a vehicle with a coworker to head into the pit and he says “But the Corvette is seriously, pound for pound, one of the best cars in the world.” I kept my head from exploding and pulled quotes from Top Gear to make him feel as stupid as that comment truly is. “American cars only,” he may have a point.
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 11/16/09 at 07:26 PM ET
It’s devastating. The increasing complaint is about students who believe they deserve an A because they paid for the class.
Have you really heard this from a fellow student? Jesus Christ of the clan Christ, that’s fuching dumb. You deserve an education because you paid for the class.
I was a dumb high schooler and drove my teachers nuts. Fortunately, I got my head on straight in college and applied myself. I’m what keeps me from going into the teaching profession.
Giroux to Howe just made Brodeur look lost. Philadelphia up 1-0 seven and a half minutes in.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/16/09 at 07:35 PM ET
You know how I knew you were gay?
You had a hard-on when I was fu¢king you in the ass.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 11/16/09 at 02:22 PM ET
I love this place.
Now, I wonder if anyone emailed Bucci and actually straight up called him out on not admitting he’s wrong. That email from the Wings fan just lightly asking him about it isn’t good enough. I’m talking about referencing that and just bluntly asking him why he won’t admit it. Might be entertaining, if he actually responded. He is fool.
Did I see that right, Meech and Lilja?
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 11/16/09 at 07:38 PM ET
pissberg up 1-0 over ucks at 1:30 into the 1st
PIT - 1:31, M. Cooke goal (unassisted)
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 07:42 PM ET
BTW:
Have you guys read this? I’ve never heard of Jimmy D and Scotty conspiring to make Stevie play a two way game by threatening to trade him.
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 06:50 PM ET
I remember this.
The rumors were wild.
And the tension around the team was real tight
I distinctly recall the player/team introductions opening night at Joe Louis 95..96.???
Scotty Bowman was booed…YES..booed, because of the rumblings of the Yzerman to Ottawa deal and Scotty’s percieved role in making it.
Strange how winning will erase things from memory.
Posted by Down River Dan on 11/16/09 at 07:42 PM ET
VooX and Jeff OKWingnut
Okay, I know my opinion doesn’t mean Jack Schitt around here, but I’ll have to disagree with both of you on the Top Gear comments.
While TG is good for entertainment, I actually prefer Fifth Gear for actual car information.
Put Tiff vs. Blowhard on a track—hell, put Tiff against whichever Stig is suited up this season and see what happens. I prefer my presenters to actually know how to drive the vehicles they are bashing/praising, not just power slide around an airfield.
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 11/16/09 at 07:45 PM ET
The first snow of the season halfway through November and I suddenly can’t get my Center Ice channels. This is bullshit. It fuching snows in the midwest, assholes; get your shit together.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/16/09 at 07:46 PM ET
pit 2-0
PIT - 5:13, B. Guerin power-play goal (S. Crosby)
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 07:48 PM ET
It’s devastating. The increasing complaint is about students who believe they deserve an A because they paid for the class.
Have you really heard this from a fellow student? Jesus Christ of the clan Christ, that’s fuching dumb. You deserve an education because you paid for the class.
They figure they are the customer, so they should get what they want because they paid for it. Same as getting the right size in a shirt - if you aren’t happy with it, return it and keep returning it until you are a satisfied customer.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 07:51 PM ET
Put Tiff vs. Blowhard on a track—hell, put Tiff against whichever Stig is suited up this season and see what happens. I prefer my presenters to actually know how to drive the vehicles they are bashing/praising, not just power slide around an airfield.
Top Gear is much much better. Are there hockey sites that have more hockey knowledge than KK or A2Y? Yup. But KK and A2Y are better than those sites just like Top Gear is better than 5th wheel.
Top Gear’s foray into the Southern States is the most hilarious piece of TV, except for maybe the daily show.
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/16/09 at 07:51 PM ET
No goals yet in Columbus, but they and the Oilers are very cranky tonight - fights all over the place.
34 minutes combined in penalties, most of them fights and roughing.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 07:53 PM ET
“American cars only,” he may have a point.
Posted by Sullyosis
ZR1 is a badass machine. But, yes, give me an M3 as a daily driver please.
Have you really heard this from a fellow student? Jesus Christ of the clan Christ, that’s fuching dumb. You deserve an education because you paid for the class.
I teach too JJ. It’s part of my “scholarship,” i.e. cheap labor for the university. I love teaching though; my students have helped me learn a lot.
I prefer my presenters to actually know how to drive the vehicles they are bashing/praising, not just power slide around an airfield.
Posted by RedMenace
Point. Car and EVO mags are also awesome; my brother is a huge car fan.
Strange how winning will erase things from memory.
Posted by Down River Dan
Indeed. Does anyone remember hearing that Stevie wasn’t willing to play defense otherwise? That’s the first time I read that.
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 07:58 PM ET
Anaheim 9:06, Todd Marchant 3 (shorthanded) (Corey Perry, Scott Niedermayer)
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 08:04 PM ET
BTW:
Have you guys read this? I’ve never heard of Jimmy D and Scotty conspiring to make Stevie play a two way game by threatening to trade him.
http://www.the6thsens.com/2009-articles/november/yzerman-to-ottawa.html
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 06:50 PM ET
I remember it well, that is the first time I ever heard of a conspiracy to change Yzerman’s game.
Bill Bonds had a long exclusive interview with Mike Ilitch in prime time. He asked Ilitch straight up
about rumors of Stevie to OTT. Mr Ilitch said Hockey was a business, Stevie had always been paid well in Detroit, but he had no qualms whatsoever about trading him.
The fans reaction was awesome. The RW Org, never responded to questions about season ticket holders threatening to cancel .... Next home game, the fans booed Bowman during the introductions, and gave Stevie a 10 minute standing ovation.
Shortly after that the RW announced Stevie had been signed to a lifetime no-trade contract.
————————————————————
Philly worked over Brodeur pretty good in the first, charging the Net.
Anaheim seems to be going out of their way to make the Pens look good.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/16/09 at 08:32 PM ET
VooX, Osrt -
maybe this can help clear things up:
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 08:34 PM ET
PIT - 4:09, J. Staal shorthanded goal (D. Engelland)
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 08:38 PM ET
Shortly after that the RW announced Stevie had been signed to a lifetime no-trade contract.
Thanks Gramps. I’m going to look for video of that interview Mr. I gave. Looks like Stevie’s reign really did establish the idea of Loyalty. He and the fans.
Posted by stonehands-78
That’s a nasty wall. Needs to be stripped and painted. What?
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 08:41 PM ET
Anyone catch the Devil’s record mentioned at the beginning of the VS telecast.
‘Of the 9 game unbeaten streak on the road. the devils went into the 3rd trailing 7 times’
Damn, I tried to find someone going to Vegas last summer to drop $100.00 on the Devils for the Cup right after Lemaire returned.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/16/09 at 08:47 PM ET
Anyone catch the Devil’s record mentioned at the beginning of the VS telecast.
‘Of the 9 game unbeaten streak on the road. the devils went into the 3rd trailing 7 times’
Damn, I tried to find someone going to Vegas last summer to drop $100.00 on the Devils for the Cup right after Lemaire returned.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd from upset when blogs don�t live up to my expectations on 11/16/09 at 08:47 PM ET
Yea they’re quietly working themselves to a position of serious threat in the east.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 11/16/09 at 08:49 PM ET
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 08:34 PM ET
What if you wonder if his back is going to be stiff from slouching like that in such an uncomfortable chair?
(Although I’m not a guy, so I guess the rules are different.)
And that wall behind him looks like it had wallpaper removed and there is still some of the crusty old glue on it. I hate wallpaper.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 08:54 PM ET
Orst. I believe the rumour was Stevie for Stan Neckar. I had forgotten about the start of the 96 season with Bowman’s booing and the long ovation for Stevie.
Baroque Is your last name Zielonka? I went to grade school with a girl with that last name. Her first name was Susan and she was very smart. Must be a relation.
Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 11/16/09 at 09:03 PM ET
Ain’t buyin’ the flu thing. I said last week this was all part of a grand master plan by Our Uncle.
It does seem like it could be suspicious except for this: If they’re faking it, who are they trying to fool? If Ozzie was skating Sunday and now he’s definitely out, who does that hep? They could easily come out and say “We want to see what Howard’s made of, so we’re giving him a few starts” instead of this. Nevermind that they’re jerking Larsson around, calling him up, sending him down, calling him up, sending him down then maybe calling him up for the next game too. If they’re pretending he’s got the flu, then they only people they’re apparently trying to fool are the media and the fans, because you know that every single guy in that locker room knows exactly what’s going on.
It’s like someone said on one of the TV panels last year in the playoffs, word gets around. Most players know who’s hurt on the other teams and know what the injuries are. Maybe not all of them or how serious, but they know. You can bet that the Red Wings all know what’s wrong with Ozzie, and EVERYONE knows that this is Howard’s make or break year, so why try to fool just the media or the fans by saying that Ozzie is sick if he’s not?
Posted by Garth on 11/16/09 at 09:07 PM ET
Baroque Is your last name Zielonka? I went to grade school with a girl with that last name. Her first name was Susan and she was very smart. Must be a relation.
Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 11/16/09 at 09:03 PM ET
Nope - the last name of one of my great-grandmothers. She immigrated from Poland.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 09:11 PM ET
’ ... so why try to fool just the media or the fans ... ”
Posted by Garth on 11/16/09 at 09:07 PM ET
‘Cause this is the NHL - that’s the way it’s always been and we love it that way.
(Hockey and the mystery of the “injury”. Hmmmm ... )
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/16/09 at 09:15 PM ET
Maybe he does just have the flu, but with complications - like a sinus thing that is affecting his balance, or nasty chest congestion that is limiting his breathing, or something.
If his brain is still fuzzy around the edges (that is the last thing to clear up when I am sick - the fuzzy head and the achiness that just makes me want to soak in a hot bath for hours) then he might not be able to focus enough to play effectively. It isn’t as though he can miss a shift now and then if he isn’t 100%.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/16/09 at 09:19 PM ET
Posted by HockeyTownTodd
Would you bet on them now?
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 08:58 PM ET
Probably, a lot would depend on the odds….
A Lamoriello/Lemaire reunion was an awesome thought…Only way it could be improved is if Larry Robinson joined them.
I have to admit, I lost a little enthusiasm when I found out John Madden was playing in Chicago.
Brodeur…..WTF
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/16/09 at 09:24 PM ET
(Hockey and the mystery of the “injury”. Hmmmm ... )
I understand that, I just don’t buy it this time. Seems way too conspiratorial and pointless. I mean, if Osgood’s injured but he’s still playing, I understand lying about the injury, but this is the team that came out publicly and told us that they were shutting down Osgood for 10 days for some mental health recharge or whatever, so why be coy now? And again, why jerk around Larsson by having him up, down, up, down, travelling daily back and forth between Detroit and the Rapids? How many starts has this forced one of their top prospects to miss by putting him through all that travel? Hell, he must’ve missed a bunch of practices, travelling so much. That can’t be beneficial to him, and considering that he has as much a chance as anyone to be the new backup should something happen to Ozzie or Howie, why would they want to do that to him?
Posted by Garth on 11/16/09 at 09:24 PM ET
And again, why jerk around Larsson by having him up, down, up, down,
Larsson’s one of the 19.
He’s up, he’s down, he’s up, he’s down. 
I agree though. I really do think Ozzie is sicker than Raffi or Jonny were. There’s just not much a point to hide anything behind illness here.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/16/09 at 09:30 PM ET
Second Twitter comment today, I’ll stop. But you had to see this from the real LeVar Burton.
With a nod to Jay -Z, we’ve all got problems… http://twitpic.com/ps8nv
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 11/16/09 at 09:33 PM ET
He’s up, he’s down, he’s up, he’s down.
He’s Tyler from Arizona.
‘Sup man.
Posted by Osrt on 11/16/09 at 09:36 PM ET
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