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by IwoCPO on 10/20/09 at 09:14 AM ET
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So. I don’t think it’s been an outright directive from the Hahn Office of Information Control. I don’t think he’s sat the Diggers down collectively, or individually, and bluntly told them the subject is off-limits.
But I’m damn near certain the organ-I-zation has made it clear that when our Deep Diggers write about Todd Bertuzzi? The topic of Steve Moore is just not something they’d like touched upon.
Shhhh…don’t tell anyone but Clarice has been talking to Lecter…he’s kind of an advisor. Don’t…tell…anybody.
Whoa bitches. Whoa. I’m no hypocrite. I dug the Bertuzzi deal the first time and I like it now. Frankly, I like the guy. I loved the way he played against us in 2002 and I’ll bet Chris Chelios would tell you the same thing. And I’ll even say this: I frigging like the fact that he stuck up for his teammates that night in Denver. Do I condone what he did? Nope. But I’m not him. I didn’t make that split-second, career and life-changing decision and I didn’t have that adrenaline going or the anger at knowing what Steve Moore had done to one of his Canuck teammates.
This is not a Bertuzzi defense post though. Nope. This is me wondering why the hell a story that is one of the most (in)famous in hockey history is so rarely, if ever, touched upon by our beat writers.
Today’s a prime example. Everyone’s talking toughness. Somehow, the Digger Agenda today landed back on the Bertuzzi plate and we’re all about toughness and whether the big boy brings it. And if so, how?
Bertuzzi’s last fight was last March against Rostislav Klesla, it was one of two fights he had last season (the other was against Jordin Tootoo).
“I’ve never been known as a guy who comes in and fights 10 to 15 times a year,” Bertuzzi said. “I will take care of myself and take care of the guys I am out there with if somebody is taking liberties with them. But I am not the kind of guy who is looking for it. If it’s there, then it’s there. It’s part of the game.”
That’s Chris McCoskey. New guy. New Digger but a quick learner. Nothing controversial. Nothing to ruffle any organ-I-zational feathers. And definitely, frigging certainly, no mention of the elephant in the Bertuzzi room.
Bert will “take care of the guys” he’s out there with, especially if somebody is “taking liberties”? Great. Love to see it.
But isn’t an obvious tie to a story like this a mention of the Moore incident and whether that affects the way Bertuzzi plays the game? You’re damn right it is. So, we’ll avoid it altogether.
You don’t think the Diggers see the angle, the connection? You don’t think their instincts tell them to ask the question? Of course they do. But they don’t. And the only reason why is because John Hahn, or Kenny Holland, or Jimmy Frigging D…somebody’s telling them that if they do, well…access—that all-important necessity—may not be what it used to be.
Want to know the last time one of the beat writers really connected the dots? September 24th, and it was a good one from McCoskey. Check this out, and keep in mind that McCoskey had been covering the Wings for about fifteen minutes when he blogged this.
Interesting to see May and Todd Bertuzzi sitting side by side in the locker room Thursday. Both were teammates in Anaheim and it was May, you will remember, who put the bounty on Colorado’s Steve Moore, the one Bertuzzi infamously collected. Didn’t really think it was appropriate to dredge that stuff up so soon upon May’s arrival. But if he makes the team, you can bet the question will come up.
May’s on the team. Has the question come up? Holy Hell. Is that not a story?
Brad May, allegedly, put the Moore “bounty” out. Bertuzzi, allegedly, acted on it. They’re teammates again….
Crickets.
We’re talking about Bertuzzi’s defense, his willingness to block shots, his placement on a top line. None of those storylines have obvious Moore connotations. But today? When we discuss the Unibomber’s willingness to drop the gloves or defend his teammates….and no mention? Suspicious.
Never happened. The Moore incident isn’t on Bertuzzi’s mind, doesn’t affect the way he plays, doesn’t cross the minds of his teammates. Got it. And, hey, I understand. Maybe because of legal proceedings Bertuzzi simply can’t talk about it. Ok. Are the legal restraints so tight that nobody can ask a question like, “Are you the same player you were prior to March 8, 2004?”
I guess that’s not a relevant question. I guess it’s not fair to ask whether we can ever expect to see Bertuzzi regain some meanness, or even aggression.
Not a story. Noted.
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I still contend that far worse things have occurred in the NHL than the Bertuzzi attack on Moore. It was unfortunate that they fell awkwardly, but Bertuzzi clearly did not try to break his neck. I can name 5 stick swinging incidents off of the top of my head that were worse than the Bertuzzi “attack”
If Steve Moore would’ve fallen in a different way, he would’ve turtled, Bertuzzi would have been pulled away from him and been given 2-4 PIMs. It was unfortunate, but certainly overblown.
I wish it would just go away.
Posted by Link_Gaetz on 10/20/09 at 10:27 AM ET
Maybe nobody talks about it because it was over-covered at the time, and now it doesn’t matter.
And I don’t think people like a journalist that keeps hitting the same button. Nobody asks Paris Hilton about “the tape” anymore.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 10/20/09 at 10:28 AM ET
Maybe nobody talks about it because it was over-covered at the time, and now it doesn’t matter.
Bertuzzi’s a huge guy who used to be ferocious on the ice. Now he’s a huge guy who doesn’t hit anybody and doesn’t even fill the role of a power forward. There has to be a reason why and Steve Moore’s it. In my opinion, it’s a story for any team who hires him.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 10/20/09 at 10:30 AM ET
Chief, maybe it matters from a curiosity perspective, but it has no reflexes on the game. He changed his play-style, as a lot of other players have done because of injuries or simply aging.
TuzziKamon was penalized, now he just wants to forget that, and I’m sure his teammates also don’t like the topic. Any reporter that bring this up likely will be estranged on the locker room.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 10/20/09 at 10:39 AM ET
Let’s allow Bert to be the elephant in the other guys’ room. Have them worry about the next he snaps and starts taking out players, women, and children.
For now, I am content he is not the dirty thug I hated him for being. Bert is showing some soft hands (he puts the lotion on his skin) and a willingness to buy into the system. This is more than I expected, and I hope it continues.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 10/20/09 at 10:57 AM ET
Posts 2 and 3 above are jokes, right? Nope, Bertuzzi didn’t intentionally drive Moore’s head into the ice after the sucker punch. It was just an unfortunate fall accompanied by the driving motion of his arms and hands against Moore’s head. Of course it was. And yes, the story is so overblown. So many players have had their careers ended by acts of violence so far out of the rules of hockey that the offenders have been found guilty in a court of law!
You guys are jokes. Plain and simple. Keep defending the indefensible. Only the Chief makes a good point. Bertuzzi is a shell of his former self because he has to live with what he did. He knows he should be behind bars and shouldn’t be playing any longer. And he knows that someday every penny he is currently earning will rightfully go to Steve Moore.
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 11:04 AM ET
Posts 2 and 3 above are jokes, right?
Apparently Post 1 is a superstition you take seriously? Genius.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 10/20/09 at 11:11 AM ET
I’m pretty sure there is an ongoing civil lawsuit so I’m not sure how much anyone is allowed to talk about it. Yes, the story has been told a million times. Yes, the whole thing is unfortunate. Yes, Bertuzzi is at fault. He is remorseful, he ended Moore’s career, it sucks. I would not want to talk about it anymore either, even though it *is* a story for any team that hires him.
It does show in his play, in a big way. Some of his decline can be attributable to age, sure. It is very apparent that a lot of it is mental. This is why I did not want him to go to the Wings. He has been okay - better than I anticipated - and I am happy to see that. I suppose it could be a story of redemption, but I just don’t know if that is something you can overcome.
Posted by jennyquarx on 10/20/09 at 11:14 AM ET
I suppose it could be a story of redemption
It’s all I ever had.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 11:30 AM ET
I still don’t like Bertuzzi on the Wings, and I won’t “grow” to like it.
I hated Chelios coming over originally because of the rivalry, but there was also never one specific infamous incident of him doing something… it was more “I’m sick of that guy facewashing my team and slashing their knees after every whistle, someone lay him out!”.
Not so for Bert. Every time I hear his name on the TV it makes me want to wince.
I want him to just go away and be some other team’s problem.
Posted by Primis on 10/20/09 at 11:33 AM ET
In unrelated news, I just received my first Wings jersey. It’s a Zetterman.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 10/20/09 at 11:35 AM ET
“Be always at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let each new year find you a Zetter-man.”
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 11:44 AM ET
Ow, and rwhater:
I’m not “defending the indefensible”. I wouldn’t do what Tuzzi did. I don’t think that’s right. But he payed his price. Claude Lemieux did something that obviously would cause harm, and nothing happened, while Bertuzzi did something that normally wouldn’t have those consequences. (Again, NOT defending).
I truly believe he regretted his actions, and wouldn’t even think of doing it again. To me a 35 year old man shouldn’t forever be judged by 10 misthought seconds of his life. (what’s his age).
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 10/20/09 at 11:46 AM ET
In unrelated news,
That concept hasn’t stopped Animal Drew’s last 15 or so comments. Wink face.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 10/20/09 at 11:57 AM ET
I still don’t like Bertuzzi on the Wings, and I won’t “grow” to like it.
Not so for Bert. Every time I hear his name on the TV it makes me want to wince.
I completely agree. It is really difficult for me to watch him on the ice.
Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 10/20/09 at 12:13 PM ET
Brad May, allegedly, put the Moore “bounty” out. Bertuzzi, allegedly, acted on it.
I don’t think it was quite like that. Mark Crawford was the coach and, he was running the show. That’s not to say Bert had to react the way he did.
The point being he did what his coach told him to do. Not what his teammate told him to do. Either way it’s over so onward and upward. Bitches.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 10/20/09 at 01:25 PM ET
....he’s a huge guy who doesn’t hit anybody and doesn’t even fill the role of a power forward. There has to be a reason why and Steve Moore’s it.
I agree.
Posted by Lindas1st from New England on 10/20/09 at 01:26 PM ET
It’s the legal stuff, Chief. As much as Hahn, et. al. set ground rules and shoo the pack-mentality diggers out of the room after they get one player’s quotes (which the diggers seem all too comfortable to indulge in), Bertuzzi simply cannot address the issue without placing himself in legal jeopardy.
The lawsuit against Bertuzzi, Brian Burke, and Marc Crawford is still very nasty, and Moore’s lawyer, Tim Danson, is near Johnny Cochran/Geoffrey Fieger-esque in his ability to take just about any statement made and turn it into fodder for Moore’s multi-million dollar, “sue everybody” lawsuit. That’s not a statement passing judgment on what Bertuzzi did (it was obviously inexcusable, and Moore deserves a big chunk of Bertuzzi’s career earnings), but Danson’s just…borderline nuts in terms of combing over every comment and using what Bertuzzi says against him, so he cannot address the issue without suffering some serious-ass legal grief.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 10/20/09 at 01:46 PM ET
A few notes of clarification for you RW revisionist historians:
1. The Bertuzzi assault on Moore happened in Vancouver, not in Denver. The teams had played again in Denver between the Moore hit on Naslund and the Bertuzzi assault, but Vancouver chose not to exact any revenge during that game, showing a similar cowardice as the Wings in that they only were willing to start on-ice riots at home.
2. Brad May verbally put a bounty on Moore’s head in the locker room following Moore’s hit on Naslund, adding, “It will be fun when we get him.” Fun fun fun, eh bounty hunter? Are you going to help your pal Bert pay his legal dues? Although I do agree that Crawford played a huge role in the assault as well. Moore had already fought Matt Cooke during the game in Vancouver. However, the Canucks were being absolutely walloped in the game, and Crawford instructed his team to make Moore pay a price going into the 3rd period. On the shift of Bertuzzi’s assault, several players stalked Moore before Bertuzzi snapped.
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 01:49 PM ET
In unrelated news, I just received my first Wings jersey. It’s a Zetterman.
Congrats Herm. I used to own jerseys, but couldn’t get myself to not wear them when I played so they had to be given away.
I agree.
Nobody gives a flying fuch.
Posted by Osrt on 10/20/09 at 01:50 PM ET
showing a similar cowardice as the Wings in that they only were willing to start on-ice riots at home.
Que? We haven’t been a fighting team since Probert and Koucer played together.
Posted by Osrt on 10/20/09 at 01:53 PM ET
Nobody gives a flying fuch.
Somebody does, and I think it’s you. Maybe even upside down.
Posted by Lindas1st from New England on 10/20/09 at 01:56 PM ET
Congrats Herm. I used to own jerseys, but couldn’t get myself to not wear them when I played so they had to be given away.
I did the same thing and I hate myself for it. I wish somebody at the time would’ve called me an idiot so that I’d have my old Shanny jersey to wear on occasion. Or my Osgood one that has asphalt stains.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 10/20/09 at 01:57 PM ET
Somebody does, and I think it’s you.
Posted by Lindas1st from New England on 10/20/09 at 02:56 PM ET
I guarantee it’ s not me.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 10/20/09 at 02:05 PM ET
Bertuzzi simply cannot address the issue without placing himself in legal jeopardy.
Agreed George. But does that prevent the Diggers from asking coaches, GMs, former teammates, other players in the league about it? Compare his stats. Compare his style of play. Any characteristic you can find. Nothing is comparable. He’s a different player and probably a different person. How those changes affect his performance and his team is something to discuss and write about.
Let me ask you this. If the Lions had signed Michael Vick, would John Niyo be looking at every possible angle to figure out why he’s not the player he was? And would Niyo not mention prominently the fact that Vick is a scumbag dog fighter and ex-convict?
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 10/20/09 at 02:18 PM ET
Oh…and rwhater? I don’t give a flying fuch what you think of my revisionist history. Frankly, I dig that May put a bounty on Moore, if he did. The punk ass, and that’s what he was..a punk ass, deserved to get beat down. Did he deserve to have his neck broken? Nope, if it had been a semi-clean check, or a dirty one that only knocked him out for a few games or twenty? This would have been forgotten.
All the Steve Moore incident has done is given you and all the other Dive fan white wine thippers a great, everlasting opportunity to be martyrs.
And I don’t give a sh*t how long he waited to pummel Lemieux. I’m glad Mac did it in front of the JLA fans. He’s a hero for the ages because of it. Claude’s blood will forever glorify that ice.
Have a good one.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 10/20/09 at 02:22 PM ET
showing a similar cowardice as the Wings in that they only were willing to start on-ice riots at home.
So it wasn’t cowardly of Lemieux to do what he did to Draper at home? You can bet your ass he wouldn’t have done it at the Joe.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 10/20/09 at 02:24 PM ET
Compare his style of play. Any characteristic you can find. Nothing is comparable. He’s a different player and probably a different person. How those changes affect his performance and his team is something to discuss and write about.
Then, may I ask, why do you like the guy? Are you talking personality-wise, or the potential for how good he can be? Because, given all of the reasons you mentioned—no similar characteristics to his power forward days—I haven’t been in favor of him being a Wing since Day #1. He’s bounced around from team to team the last few years for the reasons you mentioned. Fans of his previous teams all give the same glum report of what it was like to watch him. Teams want him to suddenly be a dominant physical force, and he hasn’t been that in forever.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 10/20/09 at 02:26 PM ET
Got it, Orst an Emilio, I won’t wear my jersey to play hockey. I’ll only wear it when I go to The Joe, or when I watch a game on TV, or when I’m playing NHL10 on my PC.
Oops, daydreaming. Excuse me, I’m off to the bathroom to cry a little.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 10/20/09 at 02:26 PM ET
In unrelated news,
That concept hasn’t stopped Animal Drew’s last 15 or so comments. Wink face.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 10/20/09 at 12:57 PM ET
Hey…it was related. Any time someone uses “Zetterman” I feel it’s my duty to come up with a new one…though as you may have noticed my resources are growing thin…(Rudyard Kiplin, Ben Franklin)
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 02:30 PM ET
A few notes of clarification for you RW revisionist historians:
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 02:49 PM ET
There…fixed.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 02:42 PM ET
Todd Bertuzzi has agreed to give the balloon kid from Denver a Falcon Punch to try to even things up with the fans who still feel wronged by what he did.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/20/09 at 02:46 PM ET
Here’s a good article about Big Bert:
Wings Forward Continues to Just Kind of… Hang Out
Detroit - Local sports fan across the metro Detroit area have witnessed a new phenomenon in a Wings sweater. Todd Bertuzzi, newly signed Red Wings forward, has recently been seen not skating. In addition, he’s been spotted not hitting several times. According to one local, he’s just been “kind of… hanging out.” Bertuzzi has been jumping over the bench to take the ice and then just gliding around. Clearly the 6’3” power forward has things on his mind - perhaps whether or not he has enough milk at home - as he is clearly not interested in playing hockey. Since his arrival in Detroit, hes done two things: 1) Bertuzzi was the winner of the Hockey-Line Lottery - having the opportunity to skate next to world-class athletes like Hank Zetterberg and Pavel “Dangle Dangle” Datsyuk. 2) He’s driven to the net one time, resulting in a goal.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 10/20/09 at 02:47 PM ET
Nice pic drew. Is that Draper or Osmediore crying their eyes out? “Sid the kid didn’t shake our hands. Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!”
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 02:47 PM ET
Are the legal restraints so tight that nobody can ask a question like, “Are you the same player you were prior to March 8, 2004?”
Or maybe it’s simply the fact that the “incident” occured 67 months ago and he’s been dealing with people asking out it for, oh, about 64 or those months?
Honestly, what new insight would come from asking the same questions again and again? I mean, everyone agrees that he’s not the same player as before the incident, why do we need him to agree, to come out and say “Yeah, it changed me”? What does that accomplish?
Hell, last year was probably the first year it started to actually die down, and he played well for the Flames when he was healthy. This year? He’s played fairly well for us for the most part. Why would anyone want to fuch it up by dredging up this bullh*t AGAIN? How about we let him play, and if he plays well then we shut our mouths about it and just accept it?
There has to be a reason why and Steve Moore’s it.
Fair enough, and we all know and we all understand it.
Osgood’s a better goalie now (well…during the playoffs) because during the lockout he trained a lot and learned a new style. It was a story when he led the Wings to the cup. Obviously. But is it a story now? Every time he wins a game? Every time he makes a save? Should it be a story five years down the road?
In my opinion, it’s a story for any team who hires him.
No.
It’s not, though. It was a story for the Canucks, it was a story when he was traded to the Panthers. Five years later, it’s not a story. EVERYONE knows he’s different and EVERYONE knows why he’s different. Do you think that constantly hounding him, five years after the fact, is going to make him play better?
It was a story when he was making $4M and $5M and teams expected to get the Todd Bertuzzi of old, but when he has been bought out, played one year in Calgary and then sat around for a month and a half unsigned and after seeing his salary drop from $5M+ to $4M to less than $2M to finally signing a one-year deal for $1.5M, Detroit new they weren’t getting the Todd Bertuzzi of old, so it’s a non-story.
I think I just said the same thing 3 or 4 times over, in slightly different ways.
Posted by Garth on 10/20/09 at 02:48 PM ET
“Sid the kid didn’t shake our hands. Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!”
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 03:47 PM ET
Well, he didn’t.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 03:01 PM ET
Marchr 8, 2004…?
Give it a rest…there is better stuff out there….like This
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 10/20/09 at 03:12 PM ET
I thought we were going to LB the BBBB’s game against the Pen(i)s tonight….
Who do I want to to win? Simple: injuries.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 10/20/09 at 06:14 PM ET
Malik is spot on with this one. It’s those damn lawyers…wait, did I type that out loud? Let those who get paid to play hockey, play hockey. Let those who get paid to yap, (thank you) Yap.
Yet, I wonder if May ever paid up?
If the Lions had signed Michael Vick, Bwhaaaahaha…if the Lions signed Vick they would give him a puppy as a signing bonus. Jeebus, being a Lions fan makes a Cubs fan look like an optimist.
Posted by Rumbear from Top O da Hasek, sippin rum & catchin some rays on 10/20/09 at 06:31 PM ET
so in unrelated banter….I am watching the Blues/Pens game, and it is getting quite tiring hearing about how well Rosby’s balls fit int he annoucers mouths…I am still trying to figure out how he became the “brand name” for NHL…it’s really quite annoying. I am sure this is nothing new to the 19, but I had the dire need to vent
Posted by barnburner13 from Fort Drum, NY on 10/20/09 at 06:47 PM ET
Andrew A3 and I were discussing this, among 2,000 other things we discussed in hot potato fashion. If you ever spend a few hours, or a few minutes, with AAA you will know what I mean, rapid fire one thing leads to another. You read his posts? Just like that in person only in Warp Speed. Maybe it’s just me, but Andrew is a Walking Encyclopedia, but you have to be adroit enough to ask the right questions to bring out the bottomless storage of knowledge.
Bertuzzi did not in any way shape or form intend to permanently or severely injure Moore, and had he landed a fraction of an inch differently on the ice the ONLY thing that EVERY SINGLE hockey fan would think about when they heard the name Bertuzzi would be “Great Fuching teammate. Always got your back.”
Unfortunately Moore did fall just so, and it is that fraction of an inch for which everyone has vilified Bert, no one otherwise would have ever questioned his intent as malicious. In fact I wish he would play like more of a Bastard now, wishing he could get over it, but that is impossible when the media and fans went shallow mindless Rodney King on the guy. Never mind King tried eluding and thumbing the police for a long time before they finally caught up to him, the whore media just feeds those few seconds where King got the Pisss beat out of him. And so they treated Bertuzzi. Great for ratings no matter how easy, shallow, erroneous, malicious, gutless, cowardly and stupid that approach is. I expect nothing better from the media. Moore was a C-u-n-t and ChickenShit. Sorry that happened but you should have had just part of one ounce of character and faced the music that you wrote.
Oh, and Andrew? I’m finishing my second marvelously high hopped Bell’s Two Hearted right now, bitch!
Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 10/20/09 at 07:01 PM ET
Pens on one TV, Yankees on the other.
Montreal on one netbook and CGY at 9:30 on the other.
heads up ....19
“Life of Brian” on IFC tonight.
Pens just scored, up by 3.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 10/20/09 at 07:18 PM ET
rwbill,
I don’t know if I’ve ever read such a pile of tripe loaded with shit in my entire life. Poor, poor, poor Bert. Victim of a fraction of an inch of misfortune. And of the media, thirsty for a villain, even one totally without merit. When the real villain in all of this was Moore.
Riiiiiiiiiiight. Got it. What color is the sun on your planet?
Posted by rwhater on 10/20/09 at 07:22 PM ET
so in unrelated banter….I am watching the Blues/Pens game, and it is getting quite tiring hearing about how well Rosby’s balls fit int he annoucers mouths
My 4 year old heard crosby’s name on the TV and immediately said “that little fuch”. Not sure if I should be proud or ashamed.
Posted by Aimee in Austin on 10/20/09 at 07:27 PM ET
My 4 year old heard crosby’s name on the TV and immediately said “that little fuch”. Not sure if I should be proud or ashamed.
Ha…My son told my wife he would “kick the Army’s ass” if they extended me in Iraq again…she was the same, didn’t know whether to get mad or laugh
Posted by barnburner13 from Fort Drum, NY on 10/20/09 at 07:35 PM ET
2nd intermission in the BBBb/Pens game and Brian Engblom says the Wings can go 30% on the PP this season.
Barkeep, I’ll have what he’s having.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/20/09 at 07:52 PM ET
Barkeep, I’ll have what he’s having.
and keep ‘em coming
Posted by barnburner13 from Fort Drum, NY on 10/20/09 at 07:56 PM ET
I haven’t watched a single Pen(i)s game. Are they really that good, or are they just intimidating teams?
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 10/20/09 at 08:42 PM ET
They’re playing well together as a good, confident unit. I’ve seen a few teams come out and look like crap against them though. It’s a long season. when teams really know they’re fighting for playoff points, their lives will get harder.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/20/09 at 08:59 PM ET
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Bertuzzi: “No, now I am obliged to appear behind people who say my name into a mirror three times and cross-check them in the neck.”
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 10/20/09 at 10:25 AM ET