I’m not one to be PC (obviously, I’m one of the 19), but it just seems a little odd to me that everyone in the hockey world is generally comfortable with the Hawks pseudo-racist and completely stereotypical logo. Comfortable enough to the point that they deemed it the best in the sport.

Posted by Nathan on 08/01/08 at 02:59 PM ET

Yeah, I’d swap em. But I guess ya cant win everything.

Not a fan of the Note at all. I’m happy to see the Wild ranked highly. Its a pretty cool logo that’s surprisingly detailed. The Shark has a good edge to it as well. Would’ve placed NJ higher.

Leafs is classic, but now synonymous with losing.

Posted by Nate A from metro Detroit on 08/01/08 at 03:01 PM ET

Carolina:
“One THN staffer said it looked like a toilet flushing.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 

Posted by w2j2 on 08/01/08 at 03:02 PM ET

So what should the Wings do?

We must OWN Wrigley Field January 1.

Posted by w2j2 on 08/01/08 at 03:04 PM ET

you know what we need to do to Chicago…

well..

not quite sure myself, but it involves crosschecking.

one of my favourite moments last season was right near the end of the RS against the hawks. it was the game we lost like 5-2 and were 3-0 down after about 2 seconds.

my iconic moment from that game is us 2-0 down and already on the PK, and Chelios is just repeatedly crosschecking the shit of our Kane. Cue the 5-3 and down 3-0, but it didn’t matter. He was pissed, and wasn’t afraid of letting EVERYONE know.

THATS what we need to do to Chicago.

Posted by Pharazon from England on 08/01/08 at 03:12 PM ET

I’m not one to be PC (obviously, I’m one of the 19), but it just seems a little odd to me that everyone in the hockey world is generally comfortable with the Hawks pseudo-racist and completely stereotypical logo. Comfortable enough to the point that they deemed it the best in the sport.

Word.

THATS what we need to do to Chicago.

Nah, not worth the trouble.  We just need to beat ‘em on the scoreboard is all.  Though I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the kids on the back end showing the kind of violent rage Cheli brings to the table, no matter who the opponent is…

Posted by mudshark from Divetown, Colorado on 08/01/08 at 03:41 PM ET

my iconic moment from that game is us 2-0 down and already on the PK, and Chelios is just repeatedly crosschecking the shit of our Kane. Cue the 5-3 and down 3-0, but it didn’t matter. He was pissed, and wasn’t afraid of letting EVERYONE know

I remember that.

I was yelling at him, “you can only get away with doing that to your OWN sons!  Against another kid it’s a penalty!”

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/01/08 at 03:57 PM ET

Am I the only one that wants to see one of these outdoor games done Mystery, Alaska style? Play it on one the gazillion frozen lakes in Minnesota. Now THAT would be something to write about.

Also, has anybody considered the possibiltiy that Kenny sent Bowman over to the ‘Hawks to be spy? I wouldn’t put it past him, sneaky bastard. Build the ‘Hawks up then tank them.

Speaking of tanks…

Two goldfish are in their tank. One says to the other, you man the guns, I’ll drive.

Posted by rwingscup19 from Dallas on 08/01/08 at 03:59 PM ET

Also, they’re a year or so late with their voting.  Chris at Icethetics (formerly NHL Tournament of Logos) already did the bracket deal.

Plus, I’d like to get points for a “nice font” over content on my stuff, and I don’t much care for any “flying P.” Ewwwww ...

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/01/08 at 04:03 PM ET

I’ve always thought the Canes logo (the one one the shoulder) looked like a cartoonish ladypart.

Posted by LousyBum on 08/01/08 at 04:05 PM ET

I’m not one to be PC (obviously, I’m one of the 19), but it just seems a little odd to me that everyone in the hockey world is generally comfortable with the Hawks pseudo-racist and completely stereotypical logo. Comfortable enough to the point that they deemed it the best in the sport.

Maybe that’s because some members of the hockey world are bigots, like Don Cherry.

That said, it’s fine the way it is.  Even though the logo is somewhat racist (the team was named after the founder’s military division, not Chief Black Hawk himself), it’s not cartoonish like Cleveland’s Chief Wahoo.  And it’s better than what we would get now if the franchise was forced to rename itself.  I’m thinking we would get something inoffensive and lame, like the Chicago Wind.

Posted by cephalopod from Chicago, looking for octopi & possibly a launcher on 08/01/08 at 04:49 PM ET

Hawks pseudo-racist and completely stereotypical logo.

As part Native American, I feel completely comfortable speaking for all of the tribes across this great land of ours when I say “Whatever.” No harm is meant and there’s no use looking for things to get offended about.

I feel much stronger about their symbol being a disembodied head...which...you know...is pretty freakin cool.

Posted by Gabriel from San Diego, CA on 08/01/08 at 05:10 PM ET

And it’s better than what we would get now if the franchise was forced to rename itself.  I’m thinking we would get something inoffensive and lame, like the Chicago Wind.

There’d be tremendous opportunity for jokes involving breaking wind or something, though.

It doesn’t bother me as much as more cartoony, intentionally derogatory Native American logos and names do.  What bothers me (about the NCAA cracking down on colleges) is the feeling of “the white man knows what is best for you people” attitude being perpetuated.

Most of the time, they aren’t intended to be derogatory, but to evoke a spirit of pride and ferocity and toughness and a warrior spirit, like the Trojans or the Spartans or the Fighting Irish.  I wish the NCAA would have been willing to let the tribes that might be offended decide on the mascots - if the tribe was offended by their depiction, then the college or university would be obligated to do what was needed to avoid offense - if the tribe was not offended, then the NCAA should butt out and worry about their “student-athletes” multiple legal problems, other transgressions, and abysmally low graduation rates.  The important (but much more difficult to solve) problems.  To worry so much about if the Central Michigan University Chippewas offend the Chippewa tribe (which they don’t, and the tribe has a casino so they and their money must be heard) or if the Fighting Sioux logo and name are derogatory (I believe the logo was actually designed by a Sioux artist) is wasting time on cosmetic stuff that makes the officials look busy without actually doing anything worthwhile.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/01/08 at 05:43 PM ET

Solid all around, plus bonus points for the outline of Long Island.

I’ve got to disagree, that Long Island outline hurts the logo, in my opinion.

Also, in regard to the Canes’ logo, having lived much of my life in South Carolina, I often saw the icon used to represent hurricanes on the weather reports, and I think their logo is a great representation of that and of a hurricane.  Much better than using some random storm element (for example, the Toledo Storm, formerly of the ECHL, used lightning).

Posted by NHLJeff from Boston, MA on 08/01/08 at 06:11 PM ET

Carolina:
“One THN staffer said it looked like a toilet flushing.”

“I’ve always thought the Canes logo (the one one the shoulder) looked like a cartoonish ladypart.”

I’ve had 4 customers show up at my automotive repair shop in Raleigh with ‘Canes vanity license plates in the last week. The plate has the ‘Canes logo beside a 3 or 4 digit number.

Each of these valued customers arrived to pick up their vehicle, only to find it parked in between my car with the “11 Cups” vanity tag, and the “12 Cups” tag on my red and white Dee-troit gas guzzling pick-em-up truck(yep, I’m fronting big time).

There is usually some dialog, along the lines of “I see from your plate that you are a hockey fan. Me, too.”

They are then provided a full color photo of their vehicle parked between the two dynastic vehicles, as a keepsake of their visit to my shop.
On the whole, they seem to take it pretty well.

I’m not sure this is good for bidness, but it sure is a lot of FUN!

I also found out from the DMV that it only takes 300 participants to get a Red Wings logo on a vanity plate in NC. Think there will be that many Wings fans in the RBC Center for the third game of the season? 

Other than that, the only other hockey fun to be had in this area right now is to aggressively swerve over in front of any vehicle sporting a Canes plate, with the “11 Cupsmobile”, and slow down 10 mph. God, that’s fun! And yes, I am easily amused....

Posted by dougie on 08/01/08 at 06:47 PM ET

I like the Canes logo too. And the flags are just cool. So what if it’s not “traditional looking.” Everything doesn’t need to be 60s era graphic design.

Just cause it’s old doesn’t make it good. I’ve never cared for the B’s or Philly logo. I’m sure I’ll get flak for this, but even the Canadiens logo is nothing special as far as I’m concerned.

Posted by Nate A from metro Detroit on 08/01/08 at 06:51 PM ET

Just found this blog, and it is the greatest thing in the world.  Not many people in TX are all that interested in hockey while it is 800 degrees out (or ever, actually).  This made my day!

Posted by AimeeMac from Austin, TX on 08/01/08 at 07:12 PM ET

A bunch of whining pussy Wings fans.  Nothing new here…

Posted by Detroitcrapcity from Las Vegas on 08/01/08 at 08:39 PM ET

A bunch of whining pussy Wings fans.  Nothing new here…

Man, the A2Y fan material just keeps rolling in.

Posted by Nate A from metro Detroit on 08/01/08 at 09:59 PM ET

A bunch of whining pussy Wings fans.  Nothing new here…

Posted by Detroitcrapcity from Las Vegas on 08/01 at 09:39 PM

How original.  So baked.

Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 08/01/08 at 11:06 PM ET

I like the Canes logo, too.  Very simple and graphic, and illustrates the team name without being a stretch of logic.

Don’t care for the Blues logo much, or Philly, and the Avalanche logo always struck me as being forced, with a snowball rolling down an A.  I’m not sure how to properly represent an avalanche, but I think someone could have come up with something better than that.  (I do like the shade of blue in their uniforms, though.)

Wild is very sharp, and the Phoenix logo is much better than that acid trip they entered the league with.

Not a fan of the font as logo.  BOOOORING!

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/02/08 at 12:40 AM ET

but to evoke a spirit of pride and ferocity and toughness and a warrior spirit, like the Trojans or the Spartans or the Fighting Irish.

I’ll keep my thoughts on the Native logos to myself, but just don’t make the mistake of showing the Notre Dame logo to any actual Irish people.  There’s just something about an angry, drunk-looking leprechaun with a flaming-red beard and a pipe clad all in green putting up his dukes that doesn’t sit well with natives of the Emerald Isle.  I wonder why…

It gets even worse when you tell them it’s the logo for “Noe-der Daime” University.

I always thought the Canes logo looked like a ribeye steak.  Don’t ask me why.  I get hungry when I see it, though.

And even worse than the Avs’ logo is...their second logo.  That damned Bigfoot.  It really looks utterly stupid and childish.

Nate, I don’t think the Bruins or Canadiens logos are anything to write home about either.  Though I kinda miss the coyote in full gear that Phoenix used to have when they first moved from Winnipeg.  I couldn’t convince anybody who saw that logo that this was the emblem of a professional, major-league team with a well-paid design staff.

I believe there’s only one way to describe the Wild logo, and that is ‘fxzking r0xorz.’ I love it only slighly less than the timeless classic Winged Wheel that denotes gritty perseverance and a winning tradition in a place where we take the good times and the bad with equal fortitude.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from the studio, drafting a new logo for the KC Penguin on 08/02/08 at 03:03 AM ET

I’ve always thought the Canes logo (the one one the shoulder) looked like a cartoonish ladypart.

Carolina.  It rhymes with, well…

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from hanging with Lupus and The Bloodhound Gang on 08/02/08 at 03:10 AM ET

I’ll keep my thoughts on the Native logos to myself, but just don’t make the mistake of showing the Notre Dame logo to any actual Irish people.  There’s just something about an angry, drunk-looking leprechaun with a flaming-red beard and a pipe clad all in green putting up his dukes that doesn’t sit well with natives of the Emerald Isle.  I wonder why…

That’s what I mean.  Why single out only Native American mascots or logos (which most often are just the actual names of real tribes) and ignore other nationalities - especially ones that imply that the entire nation is a bunch of drunken, brawling leprechauns?

It seems paternalistic to me and offensive for that reason.

There is a school around here that used to call themselves the Hurons, but when (non-Native Americans) objected, they changed their team name to the Eagles - despite the fact that the Huron tribe didn’t have any issues with the name, and was proud of the fact that their name was associated with an institution of higher education.  The same know-it-alls tried to raise a stink about the Central Michigan University Chippewas, but the tribe has a thriving casino and a lot of money, and basically said “if you strip our name from the school you won’t get any more of our money, which we are under no obligation to give to you but choose to anyway,” and that shut them right up.

There is sensitivity to the viewpoints of others, which is a good thing, and then there is just being a busybody.

Even worse than any logo, really, is some of the possible third jersey concepts floating around.  Lots of black, lots of words - but they will be in different fonts! Or angled!  Or something really interesting!  Retch and puke - how deadly dull can you get?  (Like those COLORADO jerseys before the Reebok invasion.  The logo is stupid, but at least it shows more thought than, “hey, let’s put the name of the state on the front of a plain jersey, because we can bang those out right quick and make loads of cash.") Blech.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/02/08 at 03:53 AM ET

Ya ever notice that you can have a logo or picture or whatever on public display for a hundred years and nobody has a problem with it.  Til one day, somebody was thinking about a $2million hot coffee lawsuit saw said logo.  Now its an issue.  Somebody is looking for either a payday, (sorry if I offended the candybar maker and/or it consumers) or wants their self-righteous voices to be heard.

Yeah, I heard ya. Now hear me… Shut the f#ck up, (enter derogatory name, not to be offensive to the male, female, any and all ethnic backgrounds, or my favorite “you people”, - whereas “you people” could mean ANY persons living or may have lived on this earth at one time or another)!

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 08/02/08 at 08:31 AM ET

There’d be tremendous opportunity for jokes involving breaking wind or something, though.

Leave it to B to turn fart jokes into breaking wind jokes…

Posted by rwingscup19 from Dallas on 08/02/08 at 11:29 AM ET

wasting time on cosmetic stuff that makes the officials look busy without actually doing anything worthwhile.

That’s the university way.

Posted by BobTheZee on 08/02/08 at 12:59 PM ET

As looks go, I’ve always liked the Canadians CH logo the best. Its the Yankee pinstrips of hockey. Having Chicago’s as first isn’t a bad choice though, particularly when you add the home white and the third black uniform. I don’t understand the Leafs at #10. Its like the Winged Wheel, you think of the logo and you can’t help thinking of the uniform. To each his/her own I guess.

Posted by UMFan on 08/02/08 at 01:04 PM ET

TSN has been calling the Blackhawks logo the best in the NHL for YEARS now. I remember reading a THN magazine back in ‘02 or so and they had the Hawks logo at #1 then as well. Personally I don’t see what’s so nice about it.

Posted by Justin on 08/02/08 at 03:03 PM ET

Just found this blog, and it is the greatest thing in the world.This made my day!

Posted by AimeeMac from Austin, TX on 08/01 at 08:12 PM

Hello Aimee!  If you like juvenile behavior and humor, ice hockey (Red Wings Hockey will make it even better) then this is the place.

BTW, are you single?  Married?  It doesn’t matter to me.  Do you look anything like this?:

or this:

or this

If so we could become rapid best friends!

...I am ashamed at what I’ve become...<sigh>

Posted by RWBill from the Capital of the Confederacy. on 08/02/08 at 04:14 PM ET

Off Topic:
I’m in the market for a good pair of Night Vision Goggles (if you have to ask why you haven’t been reading this blog very long) and I understand the AN/PVS-7 is the way to go if you can afford the Gen 3 goggles.  Anyone have any suggestions?

There are just so many cool ways to work around restraining orders these days!

Posted by RWBill from the Capital of the Confederacy. on 08/02/08 at 04:41 PM ET

There are just so many cool ways to work around restraining orders these days!

Does that mean that I can no longer trust in your inherent good nature? 

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/02/08 at 07:34 PM ET

I understand the AN/PVS-7 is the way to go if you can afford the Gen 3 goggles

I really can’t believe I’m going to feed a potential psychopathology, but…

RWBill, not too long ago I built a website for a tactical weapons specialist turned thriller writer. He said the monocular PVS-14 is better for covert ops or...you know...stalking in general. Helps you maintain your peripheral vision and night vision in the un-aided eye, just in case the target - or in your case, the police - come around the corner when you’re least suspecting.

Sorry Baroque.

Posted by Gabriel from San Diego, CA on 08/02/08 at 10:59 PM ET

Current Blackhawks logo:

Mystery Blackhawks logo that isn’t current logo:

I’ve never found (or seriously searched for) any information on that second logo, which distresses me.  There’s an untold story here--what made this man happy?  Did he find true love and start a family?  Personally, I think they should have the smiling, happy logo for home games and make a new angry face logo for their away jerseys.

Or better yet, they should make the logo progressively angrier for each season Chicago misses the playoffs.  He must be fuming by now.

Posted by Ryan from Toronto on 08/03/08 at 02:59 AM ET

Or better yet, they should make the logo progressively angrier for each season Chicago misses the playoffs.  He must be fuming by now.

Do the same thing for the Sens logo, too.

Or give the San Jose shark another hockey stick to chew on for each frustrating playoffs.  Redesigned jerseys every year - a sure money maker!

Sorry Baroque.

That’s okay, Gabriel - maybe Aimee will distract him so I can blend with the herd and vanish. 

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/03/08 at 06:40 AM ET

RWBill, not too long ago I built a website for a tactical weapons specialist turned thriller writer.

I’m tempted to say the guy’s name is Richard Marcinko but I know I’m wrong.

Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 08/03/08 at 12:57 PM ET

I’m tempted to say the guy’s name is Richard Marcinko but I know I’m wrong.

Nope. Andrew Peterson.  Really nice guy.

Posted by Gabriel from San Diego, CA on 08/03/08 at 06:17 PM ET

I’ve never found (or seriously searched for) any information on that second logo, which distresses me.

Angry guy is like the Portland WinterHawks logo. Not very original, but I think he just hates the rain.

Posted by lousybum from Portland, OR on 08/04/08 at 12:52 PM ET

LMAO. BTW Baroque, I really like what you’ve done with your cutains!

Posted by RWBill from the Capital of the Confederacy. on 08/04/08 at 01:11 PM ET

Glad you like them, RWBill.  I chose the fabric myself. 

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 08/04/08 at 01:34 PM ET

pseudo-racist

I’ve never understood how honoring a people by naming your team after them and using their image as your logo is in any way racist.

and, um, American Indian tribes have chimed in and they agree with me.  so there. 

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 08/06/08 at 12:53 AM ET