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GDT - S.C. Finals, Game 4: Red Wings (2-1) at Penguins (1-2) (8:00)
by Jeff OKWingnut on 06/04/09 at 10:39 AM ET
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Do the Wings take a strangle-hold on the series tonight, and have an opportunity to hoist Lord Stanley at the JLA on Saturday? Or will they be facing their first real adversity in this SCF? We know that Kris Draper, the 2003 Selke winner (and Det’s leading faceoff player) is in tonight. I would imagine that many of the “19” have made engaged in numerous pagan rituals to assuage the hockey gods into allowing the 2008 Selke winner (2009 Selke and Hart finalist) to take the ice tonight. According to “The Highlander” he practiced “hard”, and was centering Fil and Hoss on the 1A line.
Malkin is a Red Wing Killer, and is pretty much, single handedly, carrying the Pens (assist on PIT lone goal in Game 1, scored PIT lone goal in 2, and 3 assists in game 3). Adding Datsyuk into the line-up gives Uncle Mike greater flexibility in trying to defend Malkin. It also should give the Wings more time with the damn puck, Datsyuk plays with it like it is his personal yo-yo. Datsyuk should also create some matchup issues for Bylsma. Maybe, just maybe, he and Draper will help DET’s ridiculously inept PK, it has to doesn’t it? Thankfully DET still owns 5-5 play. As an aside, can you imagine where the PENs would be without their Hart finalist?
It is game 4 tonight, time to unleash the Hoss! I’ll be seeing you on the Hasek.
POST Season Team Stats (rank):
DET: 14-5 (w-l), .737 point% (1), 3.53 g/g (2), 2.10 ga/g (2), 2.00 5-5 f/a (1), 25.0 pp (3), 71.4 pk (14), 37.7 s/g (2), 28.7 sa/g (2), 53.3 fo% (2).
PIT: 13-7 (w-l), .650 point% (2), 3.55 g/g (1), 2.75 ga/g (7), 1.07 5-5 f/a (5), 21.4 pp (6), 83.6 pk (5), 34.0 s/g (4), 28.8 sa/g (3), 49.2 fo% (9).
PLAYOFF Player Stats:
DET Skaters:
POS Player GP G A PTS +/- ATOI
C Johan Franzen 19 12 10 22 11 19:36
L Henrik Zetterberg 19 10 11 21 13 22:20
C Valtteri Filppula 19 2 13 15 8 17:25
R Marian Hossa 19 6 8 14 5 18:40
R Daniel Cleary 19 8 6 14 17 17:01
D Nicklas Lidstrom 17 4 9 13 10 25:42
C Jiri Hudler 19 4 6 10 2 14:00
R Mikael Samuelsson 19 5 4 9 7 15:13
D Brian Rafalski 14 2 7 9 10 22:38
D Brad Stuart 19 2 6 8 7 24:37
D Niklas Kronwall 19 1 7 8 4 23:31
L Tomas Holmstrom 19 2 5 7 0 13:51
C Pavel Datsyuk 13 1 6 7 4 20:22
D Jonathan Ericsson 18 3 3 6 10 19:29
D Brett Lebda 19 0 6 6 9 13:57
C Darren Helm 19 3 1 4 3 11:57
L Justin Abdelkader 10 2 1 3 2 6:58
L Ville Leino 6 0 2 2 2 8:26
R Tomas Kopecky 8 0 1 1 0 9:31
L Kirk Maltby 16 0 1 1 -1 9:09
D Derek Meech 2 0 0 0 0 4:04
D Chris Chelios 6 0 0 0 0 7:21
C Kris Draper 4 0 0 0 0 10:14
Minus players for DET:
Maltby
DET Goalies:
Player GPI W L GAA PCT
Chris Osgood 19 14 5 2.00 0.927
PIT Skaters:
POS Player GP G A PTS +/-
C Evgeni Malkin 20 13 20 33 3 21:13
C Sidney Crosby 20 14 15 29 10 21:40
R Bill Guerin 20 7 8 15 9 17:22
D Sergei Gonchar 18 3 11 14 4 23:10
L Ruslan Fedotenko 20 7 6 13 7 14:20
L Chris Kunitz 20 1 11 12 4 17:08
D Kristopher Letang 19 4 8 12 3 19:29
C Maxime Talbot 20 6 3 9 6 14:46
L Matt Cooke 20 1 6 7 -3 15:17
R Miroslav Satan 14 1 5 6 3 10:21
D Mark Eaton 20 4 2 6 7 1 17:58
C Tyler Kennedy 20 3 3 6 -5 13:49
C Jordan Staal 20 2 4 6 -7 19:25
R Craig Adams 20 3 2 5 1 9:27
D Philippe Boucher 9 1 3 4 -2 11:23
D Brooks Orpik 20 0 4 4 0 19:51
D Rob Scuderi 20 1 2 3 1 20:36
D Hal Gill 20 0 2 2 3 19:31
R Petr Sykora 6 0 1 1 -3 12:49
D Alex Goligoski 2 0 1 1 -1 10:21
L Pascal Dupuis 12 0 0 0 -4 8:34
Minus players for PIT:
Cooke
Staal
Kennedy
Boucher
Sykora
Goligoski
Dupuis
PIT Goalies:
Player GPI W L GAA PCT
Marc-Andre Fleury 20 13 7 2.63 0.906
Injury Report:
DET:
Andreas Lilja (D) Concussion (Sidelined indefinitely)
Tomas Kopecky (W/C) Eye injury (Sidelined indefinitely)
Kris Draper (C) Lower Body (Day to day)
Pavel Datsyuk (C) Lower Body (Day to day)
PIT:
Mike Zigomanis (C/RW) Shoulder surgery (Remainder of season)
HOT and NOT:
DET Hot:
Jonathan Ericsson (D) 3 pts in last 5 GP
Henrik Zetterberg (C) 13 pts in last 11 GP
Marian Hossa (RW) 7 pts in last 6 GP
Johan Franzen (LW/C) 13 pts in last 12 GP
Tomas Holmstrom (RW/LW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Chris Osgood (G) 3-1-0, 1.48, .948 in last 4 GPI
DET Not Hot:
Niklas Kronwall (D) 1 pts in last 4 GP
Mikael Samuelsson (RW) 0 pts in last 5 GP
Dan Cleary (LW/RW) 0 pts in last 3 GP
PIT Hot:
Kristopher Letang (D) 3 pts in last 2 GP
Sergei Gonchar (D) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Evgeni Malkin (C/W) 19 pts in last 9 GP
Maxime Talbot (C/W) 5 pts in last 4 GP
Ruslan Fedotenko (LW/RW) 5 pts in last 5 GP
PIT Not hot:
Tyler Kennedy (RW/C) 0 pts in last 5 GP
Jordan Staal (C/LW) 0 pts in last 5 GP
Chris Kunitz (LW) 0 pts in last 4 GP
Miroslav Satan (RW/LW) 0 pts in last 3 GP
Jeff Sagarin NHL Ratings, from USAToday.com:
To make predictions for upcoming games, simply compare the RATINGS of
the teams in question and allow an ADDITIONAL .25 goals for the home
team. Thus, for example, a HOME team with a rating of 4.43 would be
favored by .57 goals over a VISITING team having a rating of 4.11.
Or a VISITING team with a rating of 4.56 would be favored by .42 goals
over a HOME team having a rating of 3.89NOTE: Use whatever home advantage is listed in the output below.
In the example just above, a home edge of .25 was shown for
illustrative purposes. The home edge will vary during the season.NHL 2008-2009 through 2009 June 2, Tuesday - finals
HOME ADVANTAGE= 0.36 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 16 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 Detroit Red Wings = 4.95 65 36 4.04( 11) 24 15 | 34 18 | 4.91 1 | 4.99 1
4 Pittsburgh Penguins = 4.51 58 44 4.04( 12) 21 18 | 37 30 | 4.53 4 | 4.50 4
Wednesday Wings practice, from “The Highlander”:
Babcock just said that Datsyuk is a game-time decision. “We have an optional skate tomorrow morning and we’ll see how he responds after that and after today. I have to talk to (trainer) Piet (Van Zant) and see how (Datsyuk) looks.” Datsyuk also said that he would be a game-time decision tomorrow.
That said, Datsyuk was practicing hard today, doing drills for the first time in a long time. The practice lines were shuffled as though they were preparing for Pavel being back. It sure looks like Datsyuk will be back unless his body takes a step backwards after today’s workout.
Also, Babcock just confirmed that Draper is back in the lineup, but said that he doesn’t know who’s out. Well, it sure looks like Abdelkader is out. Leino and Maltby were Draper’s wings in practice. Draper, Maltby and Leino were off the ice for a half-hour while Abdelkader worked out.
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Pavel Datsyuk is practicing right now as though he’s going to play in tomorrow’s Game 4. First, he’s working through all the drills and looking good. Until this point, Datsyuk (foot) was just skating on his own, not doing drills.
Also, Datsyuk is centering a line at practice with Valtteri Filppula on one wing and Marian Hossa on the other. There is no reason to shuffle the lines like that unless the Wings believe that Datsyuk will likely be available.
So that said, here were the practice lines ...
Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary
Filppula-Datsyuk-Hossa
Hudler-Helm-Samuelsson
Leino-Draper-MaltbyLidstrom-Chelios
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Lebda
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Zigomanis was cleared yesterday, but will not play tonight FYI
Posted by Ozman51 from Oklahoma City, Ok via Pittsburgh, Pa on 06/04/09 at 10:02 AM ET
First rate work Okie, as usual.
GO WINGS!!!
2 to 12
(Is it game time yet? ................... )
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 06/04/09 at 10:07 AM ET
Good stuff, Jeff… it’s about time Hossa scored, it is game four, right?
Posted by Nathan from Jonny Ericsson's ice cream truck on 06/04/09 at 10:26 AM ET
This series isn’t making me hate the Penguins. Far from it. I turned the corner on Crosby earlier this year. I don’t see him crying to the refs, I see him talking to them like any captain would. The foot slash on Maltby? Big deal. I think it’s great to see Malts finally got under somebody’s skin again. I don’t see him taking dives out there. He’s working very hard and getting shut down by two players that should be shutting him down.
Malkin’s not a fighter and I can give him the benefit of the doubt on simply forgetting that his stick was in his hand when he started cheap-shotting Zetterberg. I don’t like the fact that he did it, but if I’ve forgiven Samuelsson for his edge at times, I can forgive Malkin for that.
Kunitz is still a Duck. F*ck him.
Brooks Orpik is playing hard and has caught some players coasting or with their heads down. That’s hard, clean hockey and I can appreciate it.
Matt Cooke sucks. If you did a full body scan on him, I’m sure you’d find that his rectum actually terminates right at the top of the spine, explaining why he has shit for brains.
Jordan Staal and Ruslan Fedotenko each seem to have a lot in common with their numerical counterparts on the Red Wings (11 and 26). Tyler Kennedy has shown nothing but dogged determination so far.
To top it off, they have a guy like Dan Bylsma running the club. Any surprise that the one coach we’ve faced in this offseason that hasn’t whined has also been the best coach we’ve faced? Too bad that he’ll probably never get the chance to be a Jack Adams finalist after being handed a well-stocked team. We all know what it’s like to watch that happen though.
The Penguins are a great organization and a team I can respect. Too bad that 95% of their fans are f*cking crybaby moron hypocrites.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/04/09 at 10:44 AM ET
So obviously Hossa’s going to score two goals tonight, because it’s game 4 of the series, right?
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 06/04/09 at 10:48 AM ET
On days like this, you can definitely tell a difference.
Tick Tock is Kenny.
Tick...........tock.............tick........................tock is the clock that just won’t go faster.
Posted by Zoogz on 06/04/09 at 11:00 AM ET
Well done Okie. The batting cages were a rain out on Tuesday..... no rain on the docket today. Batting cages with the little dude for the pregamer!
JJ, pretty well said too.
Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 06/04/09 at 11:42 AM ET
Well done Okie. The batting cages were a rain out on Tuesday..... no rain on the docket today. Batting cages with the little dude for the pregamer!
No batting cage Tuesday = Loss for the Wings.
Please do not mess with whatever MOjo you and little have with the hockey gods!
Plenty o sunshine in the plains today.
It is a great day to be a Red Wings fan!
Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Hockey Netherworld on 06/04/09 at 11:55 AM ET
Bob Seger “Still the Same”
Started playing on the radio station I was listening to at 2:12 pm
Posted by pgoody from Findlay, OH on 06/04/09 at 01:16 PM ET
ah… looking at the Defensive pairs.... what happened to Rafalski????? Why is Chelios with the Perfect Human? Did I miss something? Or is Bab’s pulling a Bowman and Ralph is “game time decision”?
I am thrilled that Drapes and Dangle are back! And yes HOSS better be in Game 4 mode for sure!
2 to 12 Bitches!
Posted by Drapesfan33 from Burb Of Atlanta on 06/04/09 at 01:21 PM ET
From the CBC.ca:
As much as the Penguins are motivated by their Game 3 win, there’s one other battle that must start going their way for them to have any chance of taking the series.
For the second straight Cup final, Penguins captain Sidney Crosby has been systematically eliminated from the series by the smothering checking of Zetterberg.
Through three games, Crosby has one assist, that coming on a Pittsburgh power play Tuesday night.
Break down this head-to-head showdown and the man they call Z scores all A’s. While Crosby puts a minus-two rating next to his lonely assist, Zetterberg is plus-three, with a goal and two helpers.
Teammates aren’t surprised to see Zetterberg dominating this duel once again.
“He’s been big, battling hard,” Detroit defenceman Brad Stuart said of Zetterberg. “He’s a leader for us, all year long. He’s really stepped up and taken it to another level.”
Babcock sees a different Zetterberg in the playoffs than he saw during the regular season. “Z didn’t have a big year for us during the regular season by any means for his standard,” Babcock said. “I mean he was a great player, don’t get me wrong, but not for his standard.”
It’s challenges like this that fire up the soft-spoken Swede, and once again, he’s rising to the occasion.
“I believe he has a will tank deeper than anybody I’ve ever been associated with,” Babcock said. “His drive train is fantastic.”
Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Hockey Netherworld on 06/04/09 at 01:57 PM ET
-From a Penguins fan,
I’m excited to see Datysuk back in Detroits lineup for the simple reason that the Stanley Cup should be won with no exceptions or asterisks. If the Penguins are to win the cup this year, I want to see them dethrone the Red Wings at the top of their dynasty. Should be a great game tonight as well as the turning point in the series.
-The winner of this game takes the series in 7
Posted by John from Pittsburgh on 06/04/09 at 02:45 PM ET
what happened to Rafalski????? Why is Chelios with the Perfect Human? Did I miss something? Or is Bab’s pulling a Bowman and Ralph is “game time decision”?
it was an optional skate. no worries. surely Rafalski just wanted to be rested for tonight’s game.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 06/04/09 at 02:47 PM ET
The winner of this game takes the series on Saturday
fixt.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 06/04/09 at 02:48 PM ET
haha I’m glad you’re confident in the Wings as you should be. They are a deep, talented, and experienced team.
I wouldn’t be so quick to call this series in 5 games though. With all three games being decided by the bounce of a puck here and a powerplay there, the rational thought process would be to assume nothing less than 7 games. 7 games means that the fans got a special treat. 7 games is what it will take to crown a champion.
Posted by John on 06/04/09 at 02:53 PM ET
7 games means that the fans got a special treat. 7 games is what it will take to crown a champion.
7 games is also what the league wants. and what the league wants, they hint to the refs to provide.
just watch. whichever team is down at the halfway mark of the third period will miraculously get a gift of a power play.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 06/04/09 at 02:59 PM ET
Great work, Jeff. I’m still on the premise we’ll for sure at the warmups if Datsyuk will be in. At this point, I’m still hesitant he will be in for tonight’s match.
Great to see Draper pencilled in. We know of his great ability to win the important faceoffs but watch it. The refs will try to minimize that advantage for the Wings by chasing him out of the faceoffs.
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 06/04/09 at 03:10 PM ET
Witnessed on ESPN.COM:
STEVE LEVY: And you know he (Datsyuk) has a foot injury and you’re playing against him, how do you handle that?
MATTHEW BARNABY: I’m going after it every single chance I get, and I’m sure Pittsburgh will too.
Here’s a thought, Steve and Matt: maybe that’s not the best message to be sending to our young people? Isn’t there enough evidence of the decline of sportsmanship in our society without you guys adding your own greasy thoughts to the mix? Not everyone is watching the game while waiting for ultimate fighting to come on. Out of all the possible compelling points of discussion, maybe you guys just don’t have anything intelligent for your viewers?
Posted by HankZSmythe from St. Louis, MO via Hockeytown on 06/04/09 at 03:11 PM ET
This series isn’t making me hate the Penguins.
Nah, just Kunitz (who can’t get the Duck stink off himself) and Talbot (who had his career night on Tuesday and won’t be heard from again). As far as the fans, Pittsburgh is a football town. They have their Super Bowl championship, so they’re happy. They will be quite content with losing the Cup again to the superior franchise.
Posted by HankZSmythe from St. Louis, MO via Hockeytown on 06/04/09 at 03:21 PM ET
I’ve read the last few posts and comment sections and decided to reply...I think it is unfair to label all Pens fans as incompetent, etc, etc. about hockey.
Yes, Pittsburgh is a football town, for sure, but just because a few fans post comments here and they may or may not agree with your opinion doesn’t mean the rest of the town is the same way.
Every team has their own bunch of homers, yes, even Detroit.
With that being said, the refs blow on both sides and everyone has to agree with that. We can sit hear all day and argue that one side got more bad calls than the other and no one would be right. The wings do interfere during the entire game and they make it look flawless (legal). The pens getting the non call on the too many men. Hossa hook/slash on Dupuis (i think game 2) that lead to a goal. Gill holding up attackers. Interference on Malkin off the draw which leads to the slap shot goal. Blah blah blah. I just wish the refs would either call everything or nothing at all.
The conspiracy thing is unreal, anyone who believes that probably believes we didn’t go to the moon. Bettman doesn’t have the sack to try and pull something like that off. The sh*tstorm would be indescribable throughout sports.
Pens fans, quit b*tching...Wings fans, do the same. “Its a hockey night in Pittsburgh!”
Posted by You mom from Greensboro, NC on 06/04/09 at 03:56 PM ET
my post above was supposed to read from “Your Mom”.
Good luck and Go Pens.
Posted by Your Mom from Greensboro, NC on 06/04/09 at 03:58 PM ET
I’ve read the last few posts and comment sections and decided to reply...I think it is unfair to label all Pens fans as incompetent, etc, etc. about hockey.
No other fanbase wished for anyone’s mom to have had an abortion. Not even Anaheim.
No other fanbase had an impossible time understanding that what they called a penalty wasn’t a penalty, but what is called “defense,” a concept that may be unfamiliar to them - but is an essential part of hockey. Even when it was an ILLUSTRATED EXPLANATION. LIKE WITH PICTURES. SO EVEN THE ILLITERATES COULD FIGURE IT OUT.
Of course all Pittsburgh fans aren’t like that - but no one else but Pittsburgh fans have shown up with that level of ignorance, stupidity, and venom in this entire playoffs. No one.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 06/04/09 at 04:27 PM ET
If they lose tonight it’s my fault.
My jersey got washed.
Two season’s worth of spilt beer, Jack and Coke, salsa, ketchup and God know’s what else. Gone.
Please forgive me.
I am considering going to a backup jersey tonight...but this one has been with me for two seasons.
Any advice from the masses?
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, ND on 06/04/09 at 04:39 PM ET
42Jeff: My advice is to start applying spilt beer, Jack and Coke, salsa, ketchup and God know’s what so it will be dry by gametime.
And never mess with Red Wing mojo again.
And pray that Dats’ s foot holds out.
Posted by HankZSmythe from St. Louis, MO via Hockeytown on 06/04/09 at 05:13 PM ET
To the previous comment “Of course all Pittsburgh fans aren’t like that - but no one else but Pittsburgh fans have shown up with that level of ignorance, stupidity, and venom in this entire playoffs. No one.”
Try playing the Flyers and Caps in back to back series....
Holy hell… Who did you guys play? Columbus - they only cheer for Ohio State… Anahiem - They have like 19 fans, even though they are a extremely talented team.. and Chicago - who was just happy to be in the conf. finals.....
Stakes raise when you go Dancin’ w/ lord Stanley!
Yes, I know I’m trolling --- I have nothing better to do 30 minutes from gametime.
Posted by stewco from Ukiah, Ca on 06/04/09 at 06:41 PM ET
Baroque from Michigan:
I was “gonna take the high road” and not personally attack someone but…
All I read is “whaaaaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaaa”. Everyone says Crosby crys, yikes, look in the mirror.
And before you comment on that...for the record I am a Malkin supporter and think we shoudl trade 87 to build around hiim.
why do you constanly consider one man’s or a few people’s comments the entire fan base? get over yourself. talk about ignorance.......
Posted by Your Mom from Greensboro, NC on 06/04/09 at 06:55 PM ET
good game, no crying about the officiating this time...non factor.
Posted by Your Mom from Greensboro, NC on 06/05/09 at 07:58 AM ET
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