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Hating You Some Hoss? Stay Home
by IwoCPO on 12/23/09 at 03:23 AM ET
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Here. Visit this blog, or this one, or this one. If you feel like whining about Marian Hossa, or finding sympathy among hockey fans who despise him? Those are some spots for you. All Penguin blogs, of course.
If you’ve come here today looking for a Wings blogger blasting Hossa for his Detroit departure? You’d better squint real hard.
And if you’re a Wing fan going to the Joe tonite with plans to boo #81? Don’t.
Marian Hossa was traded to Pittsburgh. He didn’t choose to sign there. He didn’t ask, as far as we know, Atlanta management to deal him there. He was sent there to help them win in the Spring, and he did that. He led the Pens in postseason goals and by the time it all ended? He was a folk hero in Pittsburgh.
Until he left, and then every one of those playoff goals was forgotten. Every good thing he did to lead that team to the 07-08 Stanley Cup Final was wiped away because he felt he had a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit. He turned down sick money from Edmonton. He left a deal on the table in Pittsburgh. He called his agent and told him to get in touch with Tick Tock. One-year deal, they said. We can talk about an extension, or a new one, or whatever, throughout the year. But, for all intents and purposes? You got one shot with Hoss.
And we took it. And not any one of you can say the guy didn’t bring everything he could to the table. He was a blast to watch, a “good guy in the room” and, by all accounts, a damn good person.
I thought he’d stay. I’m not gonna lie. I literally believed Tick Tock would find a way to keep him and Franzen and Hank and Happy. But I live in a wonderful place called Myopia and we all know it. I wrote it again and again…“Hossa’s staying. Hossa’s staying.” The most popular parlor game we knew last season was throwing Cap numbers at a dartboard to see what stuck. A day didn’t go by in this place without a discussion about whether Holland could afford him, or any of them, or all of them.
And then the playoffs. Did Hossa perform how we needed him to? No. I believe he was hurt, just like almost every single one of our forwards was, it seems. Plus our Captain was playing with one nut. But a healthy Hossa could have carried us to 12. He didn’t have the acceleration or the space in the WCF or the SCF. He just didn’t. And his postseason was a disappointment.
Is that why you’d boo him, because he didn’t play as well as we needed him to in the playoffs? If that’s the reason, I guess that’s almost legitimate. But you and I both know that wouldn’t happen. Memories are too short for that.
Nope. If Marian Hossa gets jeered tonite it will be because he decided not to stay here for a lot less money than he’s making in Chicago. He signed for more money, more years and similar opportunity. Similar, not better, chances of winning. And those who boo him for that? The same asses who boo Sergei Fedorov whenever he came back. Completely forgetting his role in three Cups.
Hossa left Pittsburgh for Detroit because he wanted a Cup. He left Detroit for Chicago because he still wants a Cup but he also wants security in a sport where it isn’t guaranteed, where one punch from Shea Weber or a knee from Shane Doan can ruin the best-laid plans at a kick-ass life.
The guy gave us a great year and that’s all he ever guaranteed us. He gave us 40 goals and almost every one of them was pure power, or a subtle example of extreme talent. He was fun to watch and we’re grateful for that. He played hard. He bought into the Wing way and he did what he could. Unfortunately, it wasn’t enough and he lost to the team he’d left. And then he left too, because somewhere inside himself he must have had a timetable.
Well, that’s his choice and we’re not ones to judge when millions and millions are at stake.
So boo him if you want tonite, but as you do, I’d recommend you remember what he did for us, the reason he was in Detroit, what he left on the table to get here, the risk that involved and the fun we had watching him. Also remember that if not for the Bettman-mandated parity, the garbage salary cap that Little Gary just had to have in order to water down teams that knew precisely how to build and how to win? Hossa would be a Wing today, because he wanted to stay.
Separate yourselves, Hockeytown. You are not Penguin fans, not those kind anyway. Prove it tonite.
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Comments
I’d be tempted to boo him because of what he didn’t do in the postseason and what he subsequently said in the media…I just got the feeling that, even if he was injured, he wasn’t pushing as hard as he could have. He wasn’t giving 100%. Not his fault really, he wasn’t steeped in the culture that expects much to whom much is given, and expects everything even through injuries. So really, if I booed Hossa for that, I’d have to engage in some sort of consistency, and boo Mary Lapointe, Fedorov (which I don’t), The Enigma (haven’t had a chance, but…), and so on. Hossa was not the only Wing who found it hard to not give everything every evening, and it’s not fair to boo him just because he couldn’t live up to our demands.
Of course, if you boo him for playing for us for one year and then signing elsewhere for more money, you probably read the above without comprehension while your mind was thinking, “La lah blah…I am a lineman for the county…I wonder what a dog’s butt smells like?”
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 12/23/09 at 05:25 AM ET
I could probably never boo Hossa. I liked him as a Senator, I liked him as a Thrasher, I even liked him as a Penguin, I loved him as a Red Wing, and as a Blackhawk he just makes me sad because it’s a division rival (I was hoping like hell that he would sign back in the Eastern Conference) but I can’t not like him.
It was always going to come down to either Hossa or Franzen because of the salary cap, and would the same people who would boo Hossa also boo the Mule if he was playing for Chicago because Hossa signed a long-term contract first and there was no money left for him? Actually, I’m sure they would forget that series against Colorado and all those other goals he scored and even boo Franzen in another uniform. Some people are *#$%@& idiots who shouldn’t be permitted to breed and pass on their stupid genes to the next generation. :(
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 12/23/09 at 05:46 AM ET
And you all know that if Hossa signed long-term with Detroit and Franzen was available, that Chicago would have gone after him just as hard - maybe even harder - as they did Hossa. And they wouldn’t have had to sign Kopecky along with him. And they would have been taking a player who had grown up as a Red Wing, too - so that might have hurt even more.
//sigh
I wish that Detroit could have kept both. :(
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 12/23/09 at 06:09 AM ET
We went to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals and came up short. Hossa was a big reason for us getting there, so booing him doesn’t make any sense. If it weren’t for the salary cap, there is no doubt Illitch would have found the money for him to stay. If fans are mad, they should be mad at the cap, not Hossa.
Posted by AllanM88 from Toronto on 12/23/09 at 06:24 AM ET
As the saying goes “Don’t hat the player hate the game” pr in this case Garry Ass!
Posted by Better_Than_Life from UK on 12/23/09 at 06:32 AM ET
I’ve said before: it’s all about the timing. Had Tick Tock waited until the free agency period to announce “Hank and Franzén stay, Hossa goes”, all the Hossa hate would never happen.
And by Hossa hate, I mean… I don’t hate him. I even played some NHL09 recently with default rosters to play him as a Wing for a while. I might hate him for going to Chicago, of all places, but after all, it’s the same reason he came to Detroit, a chance at the Cup.
(the greatest thing about this week’s podcast? I finally found a way to think of Chicago without puking, I just have to remember the way Jessie speaks “Chicago”)
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 12/23/09 at 06:33 AM ET
Must learn to type! that should read,
“Don’t hate the player hate the game” or in this case Gary Ass!
Posted by Better_Than_Life from UK on 12/23/09 at 06:34 AM ET
I know, with all my heart, he will be booed every time he touches the puck. Just like he was in Pittsburgh last year. And all the Wings fans cried about the Penguins not being “classy” fans. Here’s Detroit’s chance to be “classy”. Lets see what happens.
Posted by drw on 12/23/09 at 06:55 AM ET
Posted by drw on 12/23/09 at 06:55 AM ET
Because a lot of people are assholes, especially after they’ve been drinking.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 12/23/09 at 07:06 AM ET
Hossa shouldn’t be booed. He did his job and left. But you guys should sure as hell cheer when Stuart decks him with the hit of the decade.
On the other hand I am all for the Fedorov booing of the past, seeing as he was an arrogant, self-absorbed twat
Posted by Andy from FightNight on 12/23/09 at 07:07 AM ET
Hopefully the knuckleheads who let Fedorov have it when he returned will not be present this evening for Hossa’s return. If money could have been equal( thanks ass man) we all know where he would be today.
Do the 19 have a nickname for Mattias Ritola yet?
As his last name, if shouted from the hillside by a guy wearing lederhosen, reminds me of the commercial. Might I suggest [u]lozenge, or cough drop?
Posted by Down River Dan on 12/23/09 at 07:38 AM ET
just boo 20 cent, he deserves it, until the Mule comes back to take care of him
Posted by Edillac
Yes. Or Stuart, or Abdelkader, who got under his skin last game.
No to booing Hossa. No to being a douche.
Yes to booing the cap. I can’t think of anything catchy but we should make a sign and just hold it up in the background as Herm does his Tv interview. Or maybe a douche canoe sign.
Sergei Fedorov was on his way to the rafters. Instead he had a tragic flaw, hubris, and fell to a floating career that ended with some redemption. That’s enough punishment for leaving the Wings, which I agree was a huge mistake. Fedorov could still be skating with us as a living legend and, like Stevie, worn only two uniforms; national team and Wings.
Fuch that makes me sad.
Posted by Osrt on 12/23/09 at 08:01 AM ET
Posted by Osrt on 12/23/09 at 08:01 AM ET
Cool, I didn’t know Discovery Channel was going to interview me for “The 13 Levels of Insanity”. Nice.
About Fedorov, when he left I wouldn’t even think of booing him, but after that stuff about the Russian Five, and how he envied Larionov, and how he didn’t practice in south so he could get together with Anna… I’d boo him if I saw him on the street.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 12/23/09 at 08:10 AM ET
I boo Blackhawks…it’s what I do. He left our team to go to our most hated rival. He didn’t go there for security…last time I checked, the $7.4 mil we gave him last season should probably get him through the rest of his life if didn’t work one single day after. So why not sign another one year deal and wait for Lidas and a bunch of other salary to come off the books? Because it wasn’t safe? I don’t buy it. He could have stayed if we wanted to, but he didn’t. Sure it would have taken some genius with the salary cap numbers, but we have the best GM in the game.
Hossa chose to LEAVE DETROIT TO PLAY FOR CHICAGO. Will that be his lasting legacy with this town? 5 years from now are we going to give a flying foxtrot about how many goals he scored in the one regualr season he played with Detroit? Are we going to care that he played through injury and gave it his all in the play-offs? I think not.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hossa failed us, we didn’t fail him. He came to Detroit to win a Cup and when it didn’t happen, he jumped ship to our most hated enemy. THAT is his legacy with Detroit. THAT is what he is going to be remembered for.
Sure we all love to try and stick our noses up the bandwagon buddies, the immature idiots, the teenaged trolls of Chicago and Pittsburgh who didn’t give two sh!ts about their team until they sucked long enough to get good again, but I’m not going to chastize anyone for booing Hossa tonight. I won’t feel bad at all.
I boo Blackhawks…it’s what I do.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 12/23/09 at 08:24 AM ET
Enh. People get overly worked up about the relevance of ‘booing’. If you are annoyed with Hossa for a) sucking in the playoffs, b) not staying in Detroit and c) signing with a rival in-division, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with giving him some boo-time.
It’s not an attempt to revoke his citizenship or right to work status.
It’s not a plea for him to die in a fire.
It’s not even some kind of slight to his ability as a player.
‘Hey, Hossa… you came to Detroit, disappointed in the playoffs, left the team after one year when that didn’t work out, and then had the gall to go to an in-division rival and sign a lifetime deal. Boo!’
Nothing at all wrong with it, and it doesn’t mean Detroit’s fan base is less classy or knowledgeable.
I know that the ‘Herm to Hockeytown’ thing in specific and the season in general has everyone really feeling their angelic oats, so to speak, but please.
It’s not a big deal.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/23/09 at 08:50 AM ET
I know that the ‘Herm to Hockeytown’ thing in specific and the season in general has everyone really feeling their angelic oats, so to speak, but please.
Actually, HD, I’ve been talking about how we’ll greet Hossa since Hossa left. So, if that’s me “feeling my angelic oats”, then it’s been going on a lot longer than H2H.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 12/23/09 at 08:55 AM ET
Chief, just to make it clear, I’m not Fez.
And you stud, personally asking to be on the same podcast as Jessie, haha.
Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 12/23/09 at 08:59 AM ET
Hossa would have been cremated by his fellow players for taking a small salary in his prime to wait another year for a payday, the league would have investigated as well, and I don’t think they would have found favorably for the Wings. Collusion is hard as hell to prove, but not when you make it that damn obvious. You can’t take a guy on a one-year contract from $7.4 million to roughly $4 million after a 40 goal season without everybody knowing what you’re doing. Sure, he could live comfortably for the rest of his life on the money he made last year, but who does that? The hawks offered him significantly more than the Wings did and he got to go to another competitor. If I grew up a foreign hockey player with no lifelong rooting interest in either team, it’s a really easy decision for what I would have done. That’s the exact same thing Hossa did.
I know he’s going to get booed. It’s the right of every fan who buys a ticket to boo whomever the hell they feel. I just hope it’s not too loud.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/23/09 at 09:03 AM ET
If I grew up a foreign hockey player with no lifelong rooting interest in either team, it’s a really easy decision for what I would have done.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/23/09 at 09:03 AM ET
Fair enough. And good points about the collusion as well. But as I gew up a native hockey fan with a lifeling rooting interest in Detroit, it’s also a fairly easy decision for what I am going to do.
Hate Hossa. Not because he left. Not because he sucked in the play-offs. But because he’s a Blackhawk. And I hate all things Chicago.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 12/23/09 at 09:11 AM ET
Hossa potted 40 goals for us last season.
I’m not going to boo him.
Anyone who deluded themselves into thinking Hossa was staying any longer than 1 year needs to take a step back and re-evaluate their sanity…
If we win Game 7 last year? Hossa could probably leave and be a hero even in departure. instead all the guy did was score 40 goals on a bum shoulder that needed surgery to fully repair, and because th eteam couldn’t get it done in Game 7 he gets crucified. Considering that attitude, it’s no wonder he left Detroit…
Don’t be stupid and boo him (unless he does something stupid in the game to deserve the hate, then yes boo the crap out of him).
However, if the Wings can come out on top, be sure to chant “WE WON, HO-SSA!” at the end and rub it in a little and remind him of the team he has to still face a bunch of times. Because that’s what fans do.
Bitches.
Posted by Primis on 12/23/09 at 09:11 AM ET
I boo Blackhawks…it’s what I do.
Posted by Animal Drew
I think you’re exempt from the no booing thing. You’ve had a hardonhatred for the Hawks for a long time, even when they sucked, so boo away.
Posted by Osrt on 12/23/09 at 09:13 AM ET
Posted by Osrt on 12/23/09 at 09:13 AM ET
Thanks.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 12/23/09 at 09:22 AM ET
I appreciate the sentiment to not boo him, but I also feel that if you don’t believe that he’s going to get booed, that’s being a tad bit naive….
Obviously, the Wings were this close to the Cup once again last season, and even an average Hossa could’ve very well put them over the top….
By the way, I tried to find an article I wrote after Hossa signed with the Wings, but that was back in my MVN days, and it appears that they’re doing yet another transformation, so it’s nowhere to be found….
Posted by Tony from Virginia Beach, VA on 12/23/09 at 09:35 AM ET
I hope he doesn’t get booed, but am pretty sure he will.
Posted by ITDeuce from The Land of Ice and Snow on 12/23/09 at 09:52 AM ET
I’m sure there will be some boo birds flying in the Joe tonight, not that I agree with them-it… but it’ll happen.
I’ll be helping run a basketball practice for @ 1/2 the game so I’ll miss the loudest boo’s to start the game.
Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 12/23/09 at 10:43 AM ET
This entire thread depresses me.
Posted by Bella on 12/23/09 at 10:25 AM ET
+1
Posted by Aimee in Austin on 12/23/09 at 11:08 AM ET
Please, both Pens and Wings fans should be giving Hoss a standing O. If it wasn’t for his decision to leave both of those teams they’re cap would be as F’d up as Chicago’s now is.
Posted by Kstewy16 on 12/23/09 at 11:18 AM ET
I know that the ‘Herm to Hockeytown’ thing in specific and the season in general has everyone really feeling their angelic oats, so to speak, but please.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/23/09 at 08:50 AM ET
Wow, so you’ve ridden your high horse over here now too, eh?
Good to see you’re getting some mileage out of that old girl, but it might be time to put her out to pasture.
I can’t speak for the rest of A2Y, but I wouldn’t be too offended if you just shut the *#$%@& up, and took your condescending, holier-than-thou bullshit back to HFBoards.
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 12/23/09 at 11:34 AM ET
I think the best reason to not boo is that it seems to fire the guy up. Every time the Pens would start that shit he’d play better and better. I can understand the animosity toward the guy - being a flop in the playoffs and signing with a division rival are much different from the Pens situation. I wouldn’t fault someone if they chose to boo. That being said, I wouldn’t bother. Doesn’t seem worth it considering how it usually leads to bad things for the other team.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 12/23/09 at 12:15 PM ET
I think the best reason to not boo is that it seems to fire the guy up. Every time the Pens would start that shit he’d play better and better
Sure didn’t fire him up in the Finals, buddy….
Posted by Tony from Virginia Beach, VA on 12/23/09 at 12:19 PM ET
Sure didn’t fire him up in the Finals, buddy….
Sure did in the regular season. And I’m not your buddy, guy.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 12/23/09 at 12:22 PM ET
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hossa failed us, we didn’t fail him. He came to Detroit to win a Cup and when it didn’t happen, he jumped ship to our most hated enemy. THAT is his legacy with Detroit. THAT is what he is going to be remembered for.
Sure we all love to try and stick our noses up the bandwagon buddies, the immature idiots, the teenaged trolls of Chicago and Pittsburgh who didn’t give two sh!ts about their team until they sucked long enough to get good again, but I’m not going to chastize anyone for booing Hossa tonight. I won’t feel bad at all.
I boo Blackhawks…it’s what I do.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 12/23/09 at 08:24 AM ET
YES!!!!!!!
Posted by Behind_Enemy_Lines from the Big House,January1,2013. already there bitches on 12/23/09 at 12:23 PM ET
He’ll be booed. It’s just the way it is.
I hated to see him go, but they made the right choice. I’d take Franzen over Hossa any day.
I was pissed to see him go to the Hawks. I wanted him on any other team but them. I am surrounded by Hawks fans so I didn’t want to hear the BS for the rest of my life. I wouldn’t have cared if he went to any other team in the Western Conference. Just not them. But it is what it is, and I do not fault the guy for going after his dream - a chance at the Cup and big money.
Sergei Fedorov was on his way to the rafters. Instead he had a tragic flaw, hubris, and fell to a floating career that ended with some redemption. That’s enough punishment for leaving the Wings, which I agree was a huge mistake. Fedorov could still be skating with us as a living legend and, like Stevie, worn only two uniforms; national team and Wings.
Fuch that makes me sad.
Single most depressing thing I have read all day. I love Fedorov. He is probably 30% of the reason why I am a rabid Wings fan. The whole thing just sucks. To think of what could have been… Sad.
Posted by jennyquarx on 12/23/09 at 01:09 PM ET
Detroit homers, what a bunch of clowns
Posted by Sheriff66 from Pittsburgh on 12/23/09 at 01:19 PM ET
Wow so much troll stench in here, it’s really strange that they all smell like Pen(i)s fans too. Hummm I wonder why that is?
Posted by Behind_Enemy_Lines from the Big House,January1,2013. already there bitches on 12/23/09 at 01:26 PM ET
Detroit homers, what a bunch of clowns
Posted by Sheriff66 from Pittsburgh on 12/23/09 at 01:19 PM ET
OH SNAP! He showed us.
Shut the *#$%@& up.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 12/23/09 at 01:36 PM ET
As said before, I don’t think people should boo the Hoser. He did well in the regular season and chumped in the playoffs and was worth his money, but not more. I didn’t really want him resigned and didn’t expect it either, so I don’t really have a problem with him because he left. What makes me have a problem with him is the fact he chose the Hawks. That’s treason, but not enough to boo him, just enough to wish that Abbie, Pasha or Stuart decks him with a big one.
I’ve heard a lot of people say “it was about the money, not personal” as a reason for why it’s okay for a player to leave a team, for me it’s the opposite really. I mean, for Hoss it was such a big difference that I kinda get it, but hell, these players earn so much that a mill here and there doesn’t really matter. I have no respect for guys choosing teams for money reasons. Wanting to play more, get to a better team, closer to home, nicer city etc are all much better reasons
Posted by Andy from FightNight on 12/23/09 at 02:19 PM ET
Chief, as Drew noted in a post on his site by quoting you from the podcast, you think we can be more, um ... appropriate if we are “not (to) boo him with every touch of the puck”. OK. I’m good with that based on your post, above.
But does that mean we can’t at least still have a little hate with him wearing the ‘awks jersey?
L.G.R.W.
Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 12/23/09 at 02:38 PM ET
Similar, not better, chances of winning
You really believe that he has the same to win in Detroit if he stayed? I don’t think so, especially in the long term. You should be a homer for your team, that comes with being a fan but do you always have to be so delusional?
Posted by Really from Not pluto like A2Y on 12/23/09 at 03:02 PM ET
Since when does “class” belong in a division/original six rivalry? As long as no fans end up in the hospital, anything goes. Boo, hiss, cheer…it all adds to the atmosphere, amirite? And hopefully we’ll see you back in the WCFs (with the outcome this year, of course, being different).
Posted by Somehawksfan on 12/23/09 at 03:28 PM ET
As long as no fans end up in the hospital, anything goes. Boo, hiss, cheer…it all adds to the atmosphere, amirite? And hopefully we’ll see you back in the WCFs (with the outcome this year, of course, being different).
Posted by Somehawksfan on 12/23/09 at 03:28 PM ET
Let me clarify something, because it’s obvious this has led to some confusion.
Boo the Hawks? Hell yes. Boo every fuching one of them. I condone and encourage it.
But if you’re going to boo Hossa, do so for the stupid crying Indian on his sweater, not because of the choice he made.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 12/23/09 at 04:15 PM ET
I wouldn’t boo Hossa specifically because I like him, always have. Plus I think it’s a waste of energy (usually) to focus on one specific player to the exclusion of all else. Unless there is some deep-seated hatred (eg. Pronger, Turtle) it’s just pointless.
Boo the team you hate, not a particular player on it and let everyone else wearing the same colors get off scot free. Collective booing is one thing - targeted booing is something different.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 12/23/09 at 06:14 PM ET
Boo Him ! In the Finals last year how many loose pucks did Hossa seemingly skate past and then look around like he forgot what sport he was playing. Too many to count by my estimation and when it counted the most. I take Redwing Hockey seriously and this past off season was the worst. Hossa is not clutch in my opinion with and he was paid to produce not take a back seat and let the puck pass him by.
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Posted by Brad B. from Grand Rapids on 12/23/09 at 11:12 PM ET
Thank you, IwoCPO (and others). I just hate to see all the people on here that want to boo Hossa because the Red Wings are on the tail end of their $$$-heavy dynasty and are losing out in the modern cap era as the guard begins to change to other capable teams in the Western Conference/Central Division. I mean, I know you think you need to blame someone, but let’s face it - your time has been coming for a while now. Osgood’s unexplainable playoff antics/luck can only last so long (I mean, let’s face it - as a goalie , I can personally say this guy is pretty much forgettable when it comes to real goalies in professional hockey).
That’s what you guys meant, right?
Oh.
Posted by Somehawksfan on 12/24/09 at 01:19 AM ET
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no one is going to boo him,he played really well,clicked with the team,unfortunately couldnt contribute 100%,as Chief said - long term security really means something,so he signed the best deal he could
just hope he doesnt score too much against the Wings
just boo 20 cent,he deserves it,until the Mule comes back to take care of him
Posted by Edillac from jesenice,europe on 12/23/09 at 04:46 AM ET