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Mirtle: Hossa a Hawk
by IwoCPO on 07/01/09 at 01:55 PM ET
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Kopecky a Hawk too, and this is interesting from Kevin Allen,
With Hossa signed with Chi 4 12 yrs, I have ‘Hawks at $34 mill for 8 players in 10-11 with no Kane, Toews, Keith
From Elliot Friedman’s Twitter account,
Pierre LeBrun (the real one) reports it is 12 years, $5.2 million per season for Hossa.
Via TSN, then James Mirtle. No word on money or term.
And so, I’m thinking the rivalry with Chicago? Just got a bit more intense.
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Seriously, you Pens fans got it bad for Hossa much more worse than Wings fans.
Friggin’ hilarious…
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:06 PM ET
I’m still looking at Pahlsson or Kronwall smasher Joel Lundqvist.
Honestly, this is all I’d expect right now--somebody who can fill that kind of role. If Kenny finds a guy who is good at that and is relatively inexpensive, I’ll consider it a good day.
Posted by Bio on 07/01/09 at 03:07 PM ET
I won’t try to refute what Jon just said to him, but I will give a lesson to the other pens fans out there so that they may not make themselves look as foolish as he has.
What the majority of the 19 has been saying is that we want Hossa back (I know Garth, not you), but if he leaves then we’ll wish him farewell and move on. Nobody here said that they don’t care one way or the other.
Of course you’ll not find a Wings fan who’s happy with the fact that Hossa is playing in Chicago now. They’re a division rival that we met in the conference finals who just got better by getting one of the ten best forwards in the league. Find me a fan of a team that would be happy with that situation and I’ll find you a shitty fan.
All that said, wishing a guy well in a new city and wishing against him when he plays your guys are completely separate things. I do hope he’s happy in Chicago, but I’m not going to say that I hope he’s happy in Chicago the six times next year they play the Red Wings. What idiot fan would say that?
In conclusion, we haven’t flip-flopped on Hossa here. Everybody who’s saying good riddance to him was saying that before today. You’re going to make yourself look absolutely ridiculous saying otherwise about us.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:07 PM ET
Hossa’s just going to a team that has a better chance to win the Stanley Cup than the Wings do. I have no problem with this. Face it, the Red Wings are the New York Yankees - won a bunch of championships, but the dynasty is over. Where’s Scott Brosius when you need him???!!!
Posted by Cold In The D on 07/01/09 at 03:05 PM ET
Whatever you say “Big B!tch” er...Rich
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:08 PM ET
your just silly
your silly
My what?
Posted by Incognetis from Exile in Alabama on 07/01/09 at 03:09 PM ET
Pens fans just can’t get over the fact Hossa left them.
It confounds them to no end that he would leave a hockey market like Pittsburgh, where hockey has been around since 1967, and has had fan support since 1991.
Who would leave such a hockey mecca???
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie on 07/01/09 at 03:09 PM ET
In conclusion, we haven’t flip-flopped on Hossa here. Everybody who’s saying good riddance to him was saying that before today. You’re going to make yourself look absolutely ridiculous saying otherwise about us.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:07 PM ET
I think all that rationale just made the trolls go cross-eyed...hamanahamanahamana
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:10 PM ET
The Ducks have slipped into insanity...6 mil for Scott Needledick
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie on 07/01/09 at 03:12 PM ET
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:07 PM ET
Spectacular.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 07/01/09 at 03:12 PM ET
STOP THE PRESSES
The Canucks have signed Aaron Rome to a one-year deal worth $525,000.
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie on 07/01/09 at 03:13 PM ET
I don’t actually think Chicago upgraded THAT much. They’ll lose out on Havlat now and it’s not really a good long-term decision. Granted, it’s nice to get a player of Hossa’s caliber so cheap, but I’m not really positive he’s the one piece the Hawks were missing. Good luck to Hossa, and I expect that he’ll win at least one cup during his stint in Chitown.
Now we can keep Happy. Let’s hope he signs around $2m. Then add Leino into the mix for about $800k. Trade / Buy Out / Waive / Put a Hit On Lilja, and we’re staring down the barrel of a 20 man roster with $1.7m to add one final FA forward. Still pretty close against the cap, and thats WITHOUT Hossa. I’d like to see us add some Dallas Drakian grit with that money.
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 07/01/09 at 03:13 PM ET
The Ducks have slipped into insanity...6 mil for Scott Needledick
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie… yes there are two, Tony F on 07/01/09 at 03:12 PM ET
Nice hometown discount Neidermayer(dead!) Think of all the granola he can get with that!
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:14 PM ET
STOP THE PRESSES
The Canucks have signed Aaron Rome to a one-year deal worth $525,000.
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie… yes there are two, Tony F on 07/01/09 at 03:13 PM ET
Well, we might as well just pack it in...***yawn… Wake me up when we get three top 5 first rounders like they did in Pittsburgh and I’ll start cheering like I never left (or am too young to understand what is going on).
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:16 PM ET
The Ducks have slipped into insanity...6 mil for Scott Needledick
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste. Marie… yes there are two, Tony F on 07/01/09 at 03:12 PM ET
That came out of my nose....
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:16 PM ET
Nobody here said that they don’t care one way or the other.
Erm...JJ, I did. Several times. We keep him, we keep Hossa. We lose him, we keep depth and flexibility and can still contend. Don’t care, but sucks to see him going to Chicago-- tempered of course by the fun we’ll have at their expense next summer.
Nah, I’m content just to say that you’re a bitch, bitch.
Ooh, creative with the wit! Have you met your friend Big Rich? He’s as clever as you are!
P.S. i’m not following up this comment and if you try to refute it your just silly
Ah, claiming you’re not reading follow-ups...the last refuge of the scoundrel. Typical really. Maybe we should break out the IP logs.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:17 PM ET
Nobody here but AndrewFromAnnArbor said they didn’t care one way or another!
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:19 PM ET
I am a pens fan .. Please do not judge us all by the assclowns that have been here we are not all like that ..
I have to say the Hossa signing did surprise me only a mil more per yr ?? and the hawks seems to me they are going to be giving up their future very soon with kane and the rest of their young talent ..doesn’t seem to smart on the part of the Hawks
Posted by M71 on 07/01/09 at 03:20 PM ET
Joel Ward re-signed with Bubba Jr. for $3M over 2 years.
Damn, I was pretty impressed with that kid this year and think he would have made a good linemate for Helm. Both speedy and voracious forecheckers who aren’t afraid to go to the front.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:23 PM ET
With the idiots bouncing around in here with the “Hossa left you Wings!” mentality like giggling schoolgirls, I hazard to say that we ought to rename the Pittsburgh Penguins as the “Pittsburgh Obsessively Jilted Lovers.”
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:23 PM ET
have to say the Hossa signing did surprise me only a mil more per yr ?? and the hawks seems to me they are going to be giving up their future very soon with kane and the rest of their young talent ..doesn’t seem to smart on the part of the Hawks
Posted by M71 on 07/01/09 at 03:20 PM ET
Did you watch Tallon last season? Over $13 mil for Huet AND Campbell...AND he’s trying to get rid of them both now. $34 mill plus in 8 players next season...um...yeah good luck with that Chi-Town.
PS...the Taste of Chicago sucked this year.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:23 PM ET
don’t act like you wont cheer a little harder when Hossa get checked hard or Osgood makes a save on him next year at the Joe, hypocrites.
I don’ think you understand what “hypocrite” means.
Of course we’re going to cheer harder, but we’re not going to be all over the Blackhawk blogs after we beat them, whining about shit that’s a year in the past, we’re going to enjoy our win.
Thank god we’re not sore winners. I can’t imagine being this bitter a mere couple weeks out from winning the Stanley effing CUP!
Posted by Garth on 07/01/09 at 03:26 PM ET
Nobody here but AndrewFromAnnArbor said they didn’t care one way or another!
Thank you for the retraction, JJ. Dutifully noted.
I’m just glad it’s over. And I’m glad the Pens trolls have a new lame excuse to come back to what is obviously their favorite place on the web.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:26 PM ET
It was definitely a good deal more money. 62 million over 12 years as opposed to 40 million over 10. Doubtful he plays until he’s 42, but that just means that much more money to buyout the contract if they need to.
I won’t really blame him for going for the money. It was a tangible difference.
But I agree, they may have problems in a year.
Conspiracy Theory: Tallon and Holland agreed that Hossa will remain in Chicago for a year, and be traded to Detroit once Lidstrom takes a paycut and the Wings have the cap space to spare. Meanwhile, there will be no problem re-upping the Chicago stars that become due. Works for everyone, right?
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 07/01/09 at 03:28 PM ET
I’m just glad it’s over. And I’m glad the Pens trolls have a new lame excuse to come back to what is obviously their favorite place on the web.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:26 PM ET
Indeed, Andrew. Now they’re going to all of the ‘Hawks blogs and message boards and forums with the Hossa obsessions.
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:29 PM ET
Works for everyone, right?
Posted by MarkK from Ithaca on 07/01/09 at 03:28 PM ET
No...I want Toews or Kane. Let them keep the 30+ while we poach someone under 25. It’s not personal, it’s just business.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:30 PM ET
Conspiracy Theory: Tallon and Holland agreed that Hossa will remain in Chicago for a year, and be traded to Detroit once Lidstrom takes a paycut and the Wings have the cap space to spare. Meanwhile, there will be no problem re-upping the Chicago stars that become due. Works for everyone, right?
Posted by MarkK from Ithaca on 07/01/09 at 03:28 PM ET
Holy crap I like that idea more than bacon-flavored vodka.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:30 PM ET
I implore you to point out any bitterness that stands out from our typical posts.
Umm check page 1 of the comments, easpecially Team Dubs...now go back to crying about losing the Stanley Cup, all of your players, and your jobs.
Posted by Employed in PA from Home of the Stanley Cup Champs on 07/01/09 at 03:30 PM ET
I personally am not going to cheer any harder against him or want him to fail. I honestly like the guy, wanted him to stay, and am bummed he is gone. I am more bummed about him being gone to Chicago because they are our division rivals. I don’t hate him, I don’t wish injury upon him, I still like him. Why is that so hard for you little Pens fans to understand?
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 07/01/09 at 03:31 PM ET
Now they’re going to all of the ‘Hawks blogs and message boards and forums
they...have...those?
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:31 PM ET
LOL
I couldn’t help myself so i peeked back at this site, i’m shocked to see so many replies. I really didn’t expect anything. Your fan-base seems a bit rattled.
another thing, Yeah i still am not fond of Hossa. But your hate of the Pens easily trumps my hate for Hossa.
and this isn’t big rich
and screw the grammar police here
Posted by jon from wv on 07/01/09 at 03:32 PM ET
Umm check page 1 of the comments, easpecially Team Dubs...now go back to crying about losing the Stanley Cup, all of your players, and your jobs.
Posted by Employed in PA from Home of the Stanley Cup Champs on 07/01/09 at 03:30 PM ET
I have a job and a team that’s won 4 cups in 12 years. We’ve lost 3 players (2 expendible). How bout you, you little toad?
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:33 PM ET
Conspiracy Theory: Tallon and Holland agreed that Hossa will remain in Chicago for a year, and be traded to Detroit once Lidstrom takes a paycut and the Wings have the cap space to spare. Meanwhile, there will be no problem re-upping the Chicago stars that become due. Works for everyone, right?
Posted by MarkK from Ithaca on 07/01/09 at 03:28 PM ET
That would be the next logical step in this seemingly illogical career saga that he’s trying to create.
Posted by Triple Deke Tyler from Lansing on 07/01/09 at 03:33 PM ET
Hossa’s just going to a team that has a better chance to win the Stanley Cup than the Wings do. I have no problem with this. Face it, the Red Wings are the New York Yankees - won a bunch of championships, but the dynasty is over. Where’s Scott Brosius when you need him???!!!
Posted by Cold In The D on 07/01/09 at 03:05 PM ET
Laughable. The Wings re-loaded with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen to replace Yzerman, Fedorov and Shanahan. They will either have Lids back on a discount in ‘11 or all his cap money freed, meaning they can have money to play with after having locked up all their stars long term. More to the point, they are the Red Sox; they develop their own talent, run a first-rate organization and don’t chase the next shiny thing when it will screw up team chemistry or in this case, break the bank. The Wings will find their Jason Bay to replace Hossa and will be no worse for it in the end. And yes, I am a diehard Red Sox fan.
Posted by wingsfan31 from Toledo, OH on 07/01/09 at 03:34 PM ET
LOL
I couldn’t help myself so i peeked back at this site
NOBODY doubted that you would be back. You trolls ALWAYs come back.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:35 PM ET
LOL
I couldn’t help myself so i peeked back at this site, i’m shocked to see so many replies. I really didn’t expect anything. Your fan-base seems a bit rattled.
another thing, Yeah i still am not fond of Hossa. But your hate of the Pens easily trumps my hate for Hossa.
and this isn’t big rich
and screw the grammar police here
Posted by jon from wv on 07/01/09 at 03:32 PM ET
See? Proves the point.
Keep up the Hossa Hatin’ Obsession! Now go find the ‘Hawks boards and blogs and start spewing your dirbblets on your all-encompassing love/hate with Hossa. You don’t hate our Wings anymore than you hate Hossa.
Chop chop.
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:36 PM ET
PS...the Taste of Chicago sucked this year.
Probably tasted like burnt money.
Now they’re going to all of the ‘Hawks blogs and message boards and forums with the Hossa obsessions.
Ahhh, they’ll be back. They’ll miss our wit and our juveniliciousness and our constant abuse of them. They can’t help themselves. It’s like beating stupid puppies who just keep coming back because they don’t know any better, but with 100% less guilt.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:36 PM ET
Congrats, jon! You win 1,000,000 internets and have been named king of all blogs forever.
The only thing less surprising than your coming back was Niedermayer’s contract in Anaheim.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/01/09 at 03:36 PM ET
another thing, Yeah i still am not fond of Hossa. But your hate of the Pens easily trumps my hate for Hossa.
and this isn’t big rich
and screw the grammar police here
Aaand another thing! Now don’t you walk away, I’m talkin’ to you! Hey! Hey! You!
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:37 PM ET
I have a job and a team that’s won 4 cups in 12 years. We’ve lost 3 players (2 expendible). How bout you, you little toad?
Nice I love a response from the psuedo tough guy on this board. *#$%@& off, you are the biggest loser of the 19 or whatever cute name you witty Red Wings fans decide to call yourself today.
Posted by Employed in PA from Hossa's New Town on 07/01/09 at 03:39 PM ET
*#$%@& off
Telling somebody to f*ck off from their own site where you’re the unwanted invader. I’d be impressed at your gall if you weren’t such a douchebag.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/01/09 at 03:41 PM ET
Nice I love a response from the psuedo tough guy on this board. *#$%@& off, you are the biggest loser of the 19 or whatever cute name you witty Red Wings fans decide to call yourself today.
Posted by Employed in PA from Hossa’s New Town on 07/01/09 at 03:39 PM ET
Nothing psuedo about it, sweet heart. But thatta girl for gettin’ your panties in a bunch.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:41 PM ET
i don’t get why people are pissed about hossa. despite the chief’s optimism, you knew the minute we signed him it was a one year deal. the truth is it is utterly shocking how close we actually came to keeping him.
we simply couldn’t afford him. you can’t blame the guy for wanting something more than 40% of his value. i wish hossa the best. we gave it our best shot on a one year attempt. it didn’t work out. let’s move on. hate to see him 8 times a year, but other than that, no hard feelings about hossa leaving.
come on guys, what are you, pens fans?
Posted by Pete K from Chicago, IL on 07/01/09 at 03:44 PM ET
This is too easy, send me some Chicken Hawk fans with actual driver’s liscences.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:44 PM ET
The silence from the Red Wings’ camp is killing me. I want to hear some news about Happy, Leino, Sammy or a potential FA.
The numbers were never in it to keep Hossa. Good career move for him, bad decision for the Hawks.
Also, 2 wings in one day?? Somehow I feel Scotty is pulling some strings here…
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 07/01/09 at 03:47 PM ET
come on guys, what are you, pens fans?
Posted by Pete K from Chicago, IL on 07/01/09 at 03:44 PM ET
Do I really look THAT young for my age? But seriously, no one is complaining about Hossa leaving, we all knew this was coming. As many have said before, he picked the ONE team that we didn’t want him to go to, and that’s what stings. I wish him luck, but he ain’t gettin’ past my Wings in the playoffs next year. And then we’ll all sit back and watch that team implode.
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 07/01/09 at 03:47 PM ET
The Zetterberg and Franzen deals tapered down to about $1 million to $1.5 million per year for the last three or four years. Tick Tock was not going to give Hossa $3.5 million/year on the last four years of a ten-year deal.
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 07/01/09 at 03:47 PM ET
The only regret I have so far is letting Conklin get away. The thought of being locked in by the Cap with Howard will give me nightmares. I will give Kenny the benefit of the doubt here, assuming there was more to that decision than he wants to talk about.
Hossa has been handicapped his entire career with unreasonable expectations. I hope for his sake that is not the case in Chitown. I never considered him among the top 10.....
Take some time to check out his career stats, PPG and you will notice there was a very small increase in his production while here in HTT, playing alongside the best in the NHL.
I would have been happy if he had signed here long term, The Wings were a good team before he came and will be a good team now that he has left. Good luck Hoss, and Thanks.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd from the "NOT QUITE DEAD PIRATE" on 07/01/09 at 03:48 PM ET
Ok I enjoy reading your blog and your opinions
and the help the few times I have asked questions but I have to say I am ashamed of my fellow pens “fans” .. to make jokes about a city’s economy is just a fail lest they forget we were there not to long ago ..People were leaving Pittsburgh in droves to find work .. thankfully the city has rebuilt itself with new idea’s and new directions and soon Detriot will too ..
I hope to see Detriot back on it’s feet very soon
Good Luck to the 19 here
Posted by M71 on 07/01/09 at 03:48 PM ET
hate to see him 8 times a year, but other than that, no hard feelings about hossa leaving.
8? Something I should know about?
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 07/01/09 at 03:48 PM ET
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