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by IwoCPO on 05/20/07 at 08:08 PM ET
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Look, I know gut reactions after an OT loss…especially a loss like today’s…are going to be pretty extreme. And I can tell you that this particular defeat was tougher for me to handle than any I can remember.
But I also know this: this team is not going to lay down. These Red Wings, unlike the team we expected to lose last year’s Game 6 in Edmonton, are not going to go quietly in Southern California; of all places.
In fact, I’ll say right now there will be a Game 7 in Hockeytown. And Game 6 is not going to be close…statistically.
There can be no doubt about that, that the Wings will dominate statistically in Game 6 just as they have the last three games of this series. Mike Babcock has figured the poultry out and we’ve all seen that. They will outshoot Anaheim, again. They will outhit the rough and tumble Ducks, again. They will control play and they will outchance the Ducks. Unfortunately, despite my prediction of a return to Detroit, that doesn’t guarantee squat. Why? Because I have an uncomfortable feeling that JSG is in their heads. I hope not, but that’s the impression I have. Does it change my feeling that Game 6 will belong to the Wings? No. But it worries me.
About this afternoon….I’ve read a lot of anti-Lilja comments, and I understand them.
But I’ll tell you this: that kid has played some great hockey this postseason. He has silenced those of us who ripped him since last April, and he’s deserved every bit of praise he’s received. He made a mistake, a disastrous one, but he’s earned a spot on this team next year. And he’ll have that spot.
And he handled himself like a man after what could very well be the worst moment of his life. Read this from Bruce MacLeod and you’ll see that. He answered every question, dealt with every tough reminder of his failure. Unlike some very prominent Red Wings of the past three years who decided speaking to the media wasn’t part of their jobs after losses, Lilja hung tough.
What I saw after Sunday’s game, however, impressed me just as much as the outcome of the game depressed me.Andreas Lilja sat on the small stool at his locker and answered every reporter, looked into every bright camera light without squinting, dealt with every question (although they were mostly the same question asked over and over and over).And that is not easy. Nor was it necessary.Of the 20 Red Wings who played yesterday’s game, about six or seven were available for questions after the game.
Only two or three were still around 15 minutes after the game. That’s the way it is after every game, regular season or playoff.Lilja could easily have made his way to the back areas where players work out after games and avoided reliving a game that was once the best of his playoff career, but turned into the worst.But Lilja didn’t hide.“It happens,” said Lilja of his turnover. “It’s not supposed to happen, but it happens.”
What’s not supposed to happen is that dreams are not supposed to turn into nightmares that fast.The questions eventually went away with the reporters and Lilja was left alone on his locker stool. He looked down and silently unwrapped the brace that he wears on his left knee during every game. No brace. No crutch. No alibi.
Can someone tell me what happened to Todd Bertuzzi? 1.5 shifts in the third. Zero PT in overtime. NBC’s pan of the bench didn’t show him on it, but they may have cut out of it before they got to the far right. Not sure. I’ll tell you this, though. A one-goal game that requires extreme concentration and defensive effort is not the type that Bert is going to flourish in. I’ve seen nothing about an injury but it may be safe to assume that Babcock held him out. He did miss an entire power play though, which strikes me as odd. I guess we’ll hear the story behind his absence tomorrow or later tonite.
Anaheim is ahead in this series and you can never claim a team didn’t earn a playoff victory. But they’ve been outplayed, and both teams realize that. Andreas Lilja made a mistake, a horrendous one. But not clearing the puck before Niedermayer’s goal is just as heinous. Multiple opportunities, but they…just…couldn’t…clear it. Lidstrom’s stick. Zetterberg missing the open net. Bad breaks abounded and that’s how the playoffs go, as we’re all aware.
Game 6 in Anaheim: hand it to the Wings. This team has proven many things to us this offseason. Giving up on them now would be naive and, honestly, disloyal.
This series will return to Detroit.
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Oddly enough, the Red Wings have played better in Anaheim than in Detroit overall this series. Strange, but hopefully it will work for them in game 6.
(I asked my parents’ Rottweiler if he would be willing to rip an Anaheim Duck goaltender to shreds so he couldn’t play. I think the best I could hope for is that he’d drown him from licking his face, though. Sorry, Wings—no help from Max.)
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/20/07 at 09:28 PM ET
I am proud of this team. I think that we could see a game seven at the Joe as well. They played thier heart out and lost on a couple bad breaks.
Posted by jpoke on 05/20/07 at 09:44 PM ET
The problem I have is this, last round, the Wings found ways to win these games, this round, they are losing them. Two OT loses. Coming back from being down two goals and still losing. Lilja is not totally to blame, he did score the only goal for the Wings and the Wings never should have been in OT in the first place. Lidstrom, who has been amazing, made a huge mistake in putting his stick down on that play. Datsyuk took a dumb penalty that lead to that play. One could go on and on. The breaks did not go the Wings way. I’ll be there cheering until the end and unfortunately, I think this game was the kicker. I guess I have memories of Yzerman hitting the cross bar and that sort of thing. I know, different team, different year.
I would love to be proved wrong and this team could certainly do it. I don’t think I am naive and disloyal for having these kinds of thoughts. I’ll still be wearing my sweater and yelling at the tv as loud as possible. I guess I am cautiously pessimistic.
Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 05/20/07 at 10:08 PM ET
Oh ye of little faith. How many times will this team have to come back before you’ll just believe? The Wings have played some serious gut-check hockey and shown that they have the sack to overcome some pretty steep odds. Look at Languid’s goal in the very last seconds against the fish. Look at the battling back from 2 goal deficits in rounds 1, and 2. They aren’t going to quit. The Wings KNOW they’ve outplayed the Poultry. They just have to go in to Anaheim and do it again on Tuesday. Take some pride in your team and yourselves and quit cryin’ like a bunch of ‘lanche fans.
Posted by wingsfanindenver from 'lanche land on 05/20/07 at 10:22 PM ET
BTW: My previous post was not meant for any one person. Just the negative “they can’t do anything right” posters who’ve been ragging on the Wings since Game 1 of Round 1.
Posted by wingsfanindenver from 'lanche land on 05/20/07 at 10:27 PM ET
Giggy is in the head (stick a fork in em) outplaying the ducks don’t mean squat the bend don’t break call by carlyle is working as you can see. And if ya wanna see some cryin (wingsfanindenver) just visit any wings board on the net just one reason they say they loss was because the refs didn’t call the ducks for (too many men) that one time, i guess 8 powerplay chances wasn’t enough. Bwwwwaaaahahaha
Posted by Cupster33 on 05/20/07 at 10:33 PM ET
Captains and coaches:
Lidstrom looked the same as he always does, fierce and calm simultaneously. Veteran leadership VS. Aged; the case goes to court on Tuesday
Captain Digger Kahn makes a good point about not moving JSG laterally enough, noting that most of the shots ended up in his chest. I would also credit his positioning as a part of that phenomena.
Babcock won me over during the postgame press conference. He was upbeat, optimistic and sounded very confident in his team. One couldn’t hope for more attitude wise from a leader.
Final note: Lilja broke his stick in two over his knee after that play. Anger rather than simple grief is a positive sign because the former can energize where the latter is a prescription strength downer.
For fans, this is the moment where you have to summon the courage to still love your team, knowing full well that the emotional investment could literally experience a “black tuesday”. I’m spending the next days trying to summon up that courage.
good luck to all
Posted by srt on 05/21/07 at 01:23 AM ET
Phht! I remember a series when the Wings were in the same position only against a better Avs (vs this years Ducks) team. I believe the Wings posted two consecutive shutouts to claim the series.
The Wings are still going to lose only two more games this postseason.
Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 05/21/07 at 07:06 AM ET
Lilja’s mistake was no more damaging than the Datsyuk penalty, Franzen’s failed attempt to clear in a 6 on 4 or our inability to finish. Lilja’s mistake was just the last mistake…really a shame, cause he’s had a fine post sesaon, for his sake I hope it doesn’t end.
Posted by JP from Colorado Springs, CO on 05/21/07 at 08:04 AM ET
I had the luxury of watching that game with another hockey expert. We both concurred that Lilja should be the Wings VP for the playoffs. Oh, yeah..the game.
You have heard me say before the refs decide who wins 80% of the time..Let’s review:
All the crosschecking, and interference that was tolerated the entire game, oops almost entire game. That was a crap call on Dats that tied the game in the final minutes. So much for calling the final minutes with the consistency of the first and second period. Amazing the Ducks played the entire 1st period with no infractions. A quick glance at the box score will remind everyone the only duck infraction was a roughing along with 2 roughing to the wings when the ducks started the scrum after the whistle, while taking a cheap shot after the whistle on Hasek. Might also remind you that Lebda was hooked (overlooked), and served a holding the stick penalty as a result. Lebda did not come off the wings bench with an Anaheim stick around his midsection-but it got there somehow. You might also notice the absence of any cross-checking penalties, but there was plenty of that going on the whole game. Again, that Dats penalty that led to the tying goal was pure crap.
Bertuzzi: Last time I saw him he was right in front of JSG, there was a right on Slapper from the deep left slot. It is tough to deflect a puck when you close your eyes and turn your head. I could not believe he did that, but the replay confirmed it. I wonder if Babblecock noticed the same thing.
GWG:
Lilja was doing it right, trying to clear the puck up the boards when the bouncing puck missed his stick. And it was a beauty by that Salami guy. Oh, wait, I think the Dom went down way too early. Let’s go to the replay..CONFIRMED. No wonder it was such a beauty.
Final thoughts:
J S Giguere is sticking it to the Wings, again. 37 SOG, and not even one Wing bothered to shoot a couple at Prongers head.
Posted by Gramps (hockeytowntodd) from HockeyTown on 05/21/07 at 08:52 AM ET
Chief: I don’t mean to sound like a broken record here, but I thought the Wings out-played the Duck (again). Duck shots 8,3,7 (8 in OT); Wings 11,15,8 (3 in OT). But in this game (as opposed to game 5), I thought the Wings also outchanced the Duck by a wide margin. The Wings deserved a far better fate—again.
I wanted to curse Franzen—but I couldn’t. At first, I didn’t see that it was Lilja that coughed up the puck—to Selanne 15 feet from Hasek without another Red Wing to be found—gee thats a brilliant idea. I wanted to curse Lilja (you know Lilly of the valley)—but I couldn’t. I have been cursing alot, but not at any particular player—not at the team as a whole—and not at the coaches—I can’t. The organization as a whole has been playing, and executing pretty well; at least in my novice hockey opinion.
So, I have been resorted to cursing in general, you know the “What in the fuc#*ing he77 is going on” kinda curse. And the “dam#, dam#, dam# it to he77” curse. I have also placed an expeditied order to my voodoo doll maker to get me at least three more J.S. freaking G dolls pronto. Oh, I have plans for them—plans for mental and physical anguish. No more playing games here, oh no, the pins are put away. I’m thinking along the lines of electric shocks, and slathering one with duck sauce and teasing my dog with it!!!
You know, I haven’t been rendered fetal at all this series nor was I against the Fish (unlike Calgary). The Wheel have played great. They have bounced back from deficits all playoffs. The Wheel should be freaking winning, and they probably will.
Strange at it seems, I bet the Duck have way more pressure on them for game 6; they dont want to go back to Detroit. Everybody and their dog probably realizes they have been outplayed these past three games—and vastly outplayed yesterday. The Wings are getting chances, really good ones. Sooner or later they will cash in.
Perhaps I am naive or remain ignorant, but I don’t believe the Wings are done, not yet anyway. Game 7 will be played in Detroit on Thursday night. I just don’t see that the Duck have outplayed the Wings—not anywhere close (that dam# goalie, well thats another thing—but I already have plans for him). The Wings will be very good Tuesday night, and they will own the Duck on the Stats and the Scoresheet.
Posted by Jeff - - OklahomaWingNut from Wind-Swept-Plains on 05/21/07 at 08:54 AM ET
The overtime goal was a duzy, just some back luck. There not out yet. *OnHockey.ca* **dannygreen.blogspot.com**
Posted by Danny from Newfoundland on 05/21/07 at 09:25 AM ET
The similarities to 2002 are eerie.
Wings split the home-and-home, and lost game 5 at home to go down 3-2 in the series.
Wings won game six 2-0 and game seven 7-0, getting Roy yanked for the first time in his career in the playoffs.
Can we hope for a JSG Statue of Liberty? Doubtful. Can we count on the Wings to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the Ducks? For sure.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again - bounces have a way of evening themselves out. The Ducks have been getting them, now it’s the Wings’ turn.
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 09:25 AM ET
The similarities to 2002 are eerie.
The only similarity that matters to me? One insane Czech in the nets…
I hear he was in the locker room late yesterday, sitting in front of his locker still in his gear, shaking his head… hopefully stewing the Dominator anger into a CzechFury. It’s high time he got deep in the kitchen of all the Anaheim shooters.
So much for the ‘new’ NHL, we got ourselves another goalie duel… I hope.
Posted by Hoser from Downer Peninsula, Michigan on 05/21/07 at 10:16 AM ET
Jeff—Try subjecting your voodoo dolls to a blue-ringed octopus: small but deadly. Just remember to watch the timing, as the poison wears off in 24 hours.
http://www.barrierreefaustralia.com/the-great-barrier-reef/blueringedoctopus.htm
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/21/07 at 10:45 AM ET
And he handled himself like a man after what could very well be the worst moment of his life.
Hmm… I’d say this would be his worst moment:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2005/06/01/swedish050601.html
Even though he was never convicted in court, he did confess to (hence the suspension from playing in several teams) taking part in some triple-team action with his two Swedish international team-mates. It disgusts me and I am reminded by it every time I see his sorry face.
Posted by Peter J. from Columbus on 05/21/07 at 10:54 AM ET
“lack of evidence” sounds to me like this girl was looking for a payday. were they ever charged? convicted?
not trying to start a whole discussion on rape, but I’m always suspicious when things like this happen to celebrities and athletes. I mean, why was she in their hotel room in the first place? if they had dragged her kicking and screaming from the bar, surely someone would have noticed and this, of course, would be evidence.
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 11:00 AM ET
Baroque: Now that is a novel idea!!! Unfortunately, I do not think I have a connection that can get me one before Tuesday!!! Maybe—though—we can have one here in time for the series against Ottawa. Until then, I am going to “make do” with some generalized forms of mental and physical torture. Maybe I’ll subject the doll to watching the 2002 W.C.F., game 7—repeatedly!!!!
Posted by Jeff - - OklahomaWingNut from Wind-Swept-Plains on 05/21/07 at 11:00 AM ET
Paul,
They were never charged but all three admitted to having sex with her. Lilja was(is) married with children at the time. He’s not the first hockey player to sleep around and he won’t be the last but gangbanging some chick you picked up at the bar while the wife and kids are at home doesn’t settle well with me.
Posted by Django on 05/21/07 at 11:14 AM ET
Lilja was(is) married with children at the time. He’s not the first hockey player to sleep around and he won’t be the last but gangbanging some chick you picked up at the bar while the wife and kids are at home doesn’t settle well with me.
Agreed. I didn’t know he was married with a family. Talk about poor judgment. It reminds me of the Kobe Bryant thing - whether he forced himself on her or not, what the hell was he doing alone in a hotel room with her?
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 11:23 AM ET
Jeff—I have to be creative, because I’m not at all a violent person. Since none of my threats are realistic, they can at least show some outside-the-box thinking.
(That’s why I think of things like scorpions in their waterbottles and poison arrow frogs in their luggage—or vice versa, I’m not that particular! 
)
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/21/07 at 11:31 AM ET
Sorry IwoCPO to keep up on the Lilja article that was brought up by Peter J. but I feel the need to interject a WOMAN’s perspective!
THERE ARE TWO SIDES to EVERY STORY. You are condeming a man w/out hearing both sides. You aren’t even talking about the other two players involved. You are bringing up something in Lil’s past because HE BLEW a play? GIVE ME A BREAK. You do not walk in his shoes, don’t know what his life was like before or since, nor that of the woman who decided to sleep with 3 men in one night! Shame on her too! SHAME on the media that thinks we “fans” need to know EVERY little thing about athlete’s and celebrities. I almost hate turning on the news or reading the paper or clicking on a news web site any more. We are all human and make mistakes.WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE? How much lower can the media / fan sink? THE ENTIRE TEAM failed to use the opportunities of yesterday. NOT JUST LiLs.
It takes a TEAM to WIN and TEAM to LOSE…. STARS are not what makes a team great. THERE is no “I” in TEAM. Please stop pointing fingers trying to place blame for what happened yesterday afternoon. I haven’t read TDN, the FREEP, ESPN, FOX, TSN or anything else on line or on TV cause all they are doing is trying to PLACE BLAME as well. Its a game. They lost. They have a chance to WIN and keep the series going. ALL THEY CAN DO IS TRY. We can’t do anything else, but cheer them on.
I BELIEVE!
GO WINGS!
Posted by DrapesFan from Atlanta, GA on 05/21/07 at 01:03 PM ET
DrapesFan, I agree with your comments in general. However, even though it’s a team game - in the playoffs a single individual mistake can cost you everything. That’s why people are blaming Lilja. You are correct, though, that if other players had stepped up and finished a play, Lilja’s gaffe would never have had a chance to happen.
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 01:07 PM ET
My two cents on Lilja: What a terrible mistake. From hero to goat in what, less than 30 mins of game-time. However, I tend to agree with Drapesfan; I do not blame Lilja - - or for that matter Franzen for the loss. Both made terrible plays that resulted in goals against. But, the Wings had plenty of opportunity to get a two goal lead and failed to do so (Bleeping JSG). Wings failure to score had just as much to do with the loss, or more so. If the Wings have a two goal cushion late in the Third—then we’re not pointing fingers. Both Lilja and Franzen made terrible plays—but both have had terrific post-seasons. As I commented earleir in this thread, I, for one, don’t believe they are solely responsible for the loss. Hopefully this will not prove to negatively impact their largely fantastic play—but twill fire them up for game 6!!!
Posted by Jeff - - OklahomaWingNut from Wind-Swept-Plains on 05/21/07 at 01:58 PM ET
Agreed, Jeff. For the most part, he has been very good, and such a mistake can happen to anyone at any time—it just happened to him at the worst possible moment in the game, and I felt awful for him. Additionally, if it wasn’t for Lilja the game would have been a 1-0 loss in regulation—since he scored their only goal! He can’t do everything.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/21/07 at 02:04 PM ET
Bertuzzi is also doubtful for tomorrow, adding to the woes for the Wings tomorrow. Hudler is expected to suit up if Bert can’t go.
Posted by Jeremy from Bowling Green/Oregon, OH on 05/21/07 at 03:35 PM ET
Hudler is expected to suit up if Bert can’t go.
I don’t think I’m the only one…but I don’t consider that a woe.
A fourth line of Hudler, Filpulla, and Kopecky could be very effective. I’d even like to see Zetterberg get some shifts on that line, probably at center.
Since I didn’t get to watch the game yesterday, can someone tell me if Babcock went back to playing Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, or did he stick with the lines that worked in the game they won 5-0?
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 03:39 PM ET
Together at times, mostly split up. Special teams kinda caused some line confusion. This should help, if you have the patience:
Shift Chart-
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20062007/SC030325.HTM
Posted by Gramps (hockeytowntodd) from HockeyTown on 05/21/07 at 04:31 PM ET
Thanks Gramps, but those things make my head hurt.
What would be slick is if there were a slider you could drag along the top and it would show you the names that the line intersects at that point in time.
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 04:45 PM ET
What would be slick is if there were a slider you could drag along the top and it would show you the names that the line intersects at that point in time.
Vic Ferrari at Irreverent Oil Fans set up a pretty slick “NHL Head to Head Ice Time” site here that shows who players play with and against in 5-on-5 situations. It basically pulls from the NHL shift listings and sums up the total time that is shared with another player (either teammate or opponent).
Per that site (yesterday’s game was #30325), Datsyuk played 16.1 minutes 5-on-5, and Zetterberg played 17.1 minutes. Only 3.3 of those minutes were played together. Anyway, it’s a fascinating resource for some of those questions.
Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA on 05/21/07 at 05:08 PM ET
Thanks, Earl. Maybe you Californians aren’t so bad after all.
Wait, what am I thinking? Of course you are!
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/21/07 at 05:35 PM ET
Oh, I’m pretty bad, I suppose.
Anyway, if you like the site, shoot a note to Vic. The fact that he pulls it together and does the heavy work for us (and doesn’t charge us for it) is pretty awesome.
And he’s nowhere near California, so the numbers might even be trustworthy.
Posted by Earl Sleek from Los Angeles, CA on 05/21/07 at 05:43 PM ET
I guess hockey really IS everything for the Alberta fans. Those guys are either really devoted or really demented.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/21/07 at 06:11 PM ET
Baroque, every hockey fan is demented, some hide it better than others.
Posted by Gramps (hockeytowntodd) from HockeyTown on 05/21/07 at 06:46 PM ET
Anyway, if you like the site, shoot a note to Vic. The fact that he pulls it together and does the heavy work for us (and doesn’t charge us for it) is pretty awesome.
Earl—while you couldn’t be more wrong with your on-ice allegiance, you’re absolutely right about the timeonice site. Major kudos to Vic.
Baroque, every hockey fan is demented, some hide it better than others.
Gramps—I’ve always felt your observation applies to all human beings, not just hockey fans. As a father of five, I just try to minimize the damage I’m causing.
And, as long as we’re on the subject of severely damaged people…did anyone bother to notice or care that—amidst the recent celebration of all things Teemu—the former(?) member of the Ambiguously Gay Hockey Duo (“I wish I knew how to quit you, Paul”) hooked Lilja (a former gang banger in his own right) behind the net before scoring the GWG on Sunday. I didn’t think so. And before Earl or anyone else trots out the tired fact that the (very lucky) Duckies have been penalized more than the Wings, I’d like to point out that it’s because they DESERVE IT. When you commit 4-5 times the number of infractions as the other team, you deserve to receive 4-5 times the number of penalties, not 1.5-2 times more. I know, this is a novel concept to Little Gary and and his crew of narcoleptic, selectively blind zebras, but I felt the need to raise the issue as the stress train speeds toward its destination.
Posted by YzermanZetterberg from Saginaw, MI on 05/22/07 at 02:40 PM ET
did anyone bother to notice
yes, we noticed it. I noticed it as the play went on - it was blatant and obvious. of course, I don’t get a whistle, and the guys who do blew it (or, eh, didn’t blow it).
Posted by Paul from Miami Beach on 05/22/07 at 02:48 PM ET
I think everyone noticed, but the real issue wasn’t the hook, Lilja’s turnover or even Franzen’s inability to clear - as previously mentioned by others, it was the myriad missed opportunities to blow that game open much earlier. Honestly, did anybody feel like 1 goal was enough? We all knew it wasn’t, and when you miss open nets, clang shots off posts and fail to score 5 on 3 - those things have a way of coming back to haunt you.
It wasn’t SalamiBoy’s hook that cost the Wings; it was their own inability to pot a couple more earlier in the game that put them in a “one(mistake)-n-done” situation.
Posted by Hoser from Downer Peninsula, Michigan on 05/22/07 at 03:09 PM ET
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Glad to hear someone who is confident about Game Six. I’m not, but like last season against Edmonton, I’m confident that the Wings will win Game Seven if they can get there.
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