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Shafted?
by IwoCPO on 01/04/09 at 07:06 PM ET
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If the shoe was on the other foot…
That’s all I’m asking of you. Just stay objective and keep in mind the fetal position we’d all still be in if it had been a Wild goal waved off, then given back—with some fairly shady “conclusive proof”—last night.
Or don’t. It’s easy, and even fun, to watch the opposing fans get all liquored up over what they consider to be a screw job. And when a beat writer is helping to push them over that ledge? Good on ya. It’s one of the reasons I dig Michael Russo. He sees a button, and he’s ready to push.
He’s got a couple images up on his blog. Both, depending on how you construe them, seem to show Franzen’s goal from last night should have been disallowed. Here’s one of them.
I talked to Jacques Lemaire this morning. The league sent the Wild the “conclusive” video of the Detroit Red Wings’ feed it used to overturn referee Brad Meier’s no-goal on Franzen, and Lemaire’s mouth dropped. He said there’s nothing conclusive on there.
I’ll have a lot more on this in tomorrow’s paper. I’d say this: I didn’t cover the game, but the telling signs — Meier’s six feet away, Franzen looked at Meier wave off the goal and didn’t argue at all and the league only used Detroit’s inferior telecast for feeds. The Wild’s feed at 12 cameras and was in hi-def. The Red Wings used six and was in standard-def.
This morning we posted clips from the “inferior” feed, and there were a few angles that seemed to fairly conclusively show Franzen’s blade hit the puck below the cross bar.
Fairly conclusively. Concretely? Umm. Nope. Not in my opinion. And what’s it take to overturn a call? Concrete evidence. I didn’t expect them to overturn it, was surprised when they did, and had no intention of feeling the least bit guilty if they got it wrong.
Still don’t. Right or wrong, I’ll take the 2. Thanks. And I’ll do so while I consider the huge amount of times the Wings have been raped by Gary’s officials the last two years. And I mean absolutely blatantly violated.
So they’re fired up in Minny. Understand. But sympathy? Nope. Oh, and as for Russo’s contention that Franzen didn’t argue? There wouldn’t have been a reaction either way. One: the guy’s Swedish. Secondly? He’s seen so many Holmstrom goals called back, or Holmstrom-related goals, that nothing will surprise him.
Ahhh, well. Enjoy the reaction and a nice little ending to a pretty damn good week.
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Yeah, I didn’t expect that one to be allowed either.
And if Minnesota’s local broadcast had 12 high-def cameras, why the hell was FSN Detroit making us watch in SD? I thought I was looking at Bigfoot when they did their “conclusive” zoom in to see where Franzen hit the puck from.
Posted by DetroitHockey on 01/04/09 at 07:45 PM ET
And if Minnesota’s local broadcast had 12 high-def cameras, why the hell was FSN Detroit making us watch in SD?
Yeah, can anyone explain why almost all the away games are broadcast in SD? Someone ‘round here’s got to know something about how FSN works.
Posted by Sadie from Ann Arbor, MI on 01/04/09 at 09:41 PM ET
Am I missing something? This pic shows the puck before Franzen hit it, so of course it’s over the crossbar. The glove and stick you see near the puck are Skoula’s. That’s about the least conclusive evidence possible. Russo’s second pic is better, but it’s still from before Franzen hits the puck, and the camera angle is worse than the one the NHL used to allow the goal.
And keep in mind that what (probably) matters is where the puck last is in contact with the stick, not first in contact (unless it first comes in contact with the stick above the shoulders, which is a high-stick). You can say the evidence isn’t conclusive either way, so the call on the ice should have stood. For what it’s worth, though, I’m more convinced by the evidence the NHL decided to use than Russo’s.
Posted by Ryan from Toronto on 01/04/09 at 10:44 PM ET
Just what are we supposed to be able to see in those crap pictures anyway?
Posted by Tyler from Arizona on 01/04/09 at 10:46 PM ET
They might’ve had the broadcast in HD, but there’s a lot of folks in Minny who didn’t even get to watch the game in HD. For some reason, they think people want to see the Timberwolves in HD up there.
Posted by HockeyJoe from Upstate New York on 01/04/09 at 11:00 PM ET
I give credit to Johan Franzen….
I heard he took bunting practice with Ryne Sandberg at Wrigley Field the other day.
Posted by w2j2 on 01/04/09 at 11:38 PM ET
I don’t think anyone got shafted….
What the 19 should be concerned about is giving up 35 SOG.
Overtime and shootout wins are piling up and nothing to be proud of.
How the hell can a team so talented in Offense, fail to bring it home in regulation?
37 shots, and only 1 ESG is nothing to celebrate. It was entertaining, sure, but
the only upside was the return of Ozzie’s sharpness, and how well Rodney Dangerfield
played paired with Meech.
Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 01/04/09 at 11:52 PM ET
FSD showed a blow-up of the SD footage that conclusively showed that Franzen’s stick was at crossbar height when he actually touched the puck. It was a goal.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/05/09 at 12:00 AM ET
That is the Minnesota player’s stick that is in that photo not Franzen’s. Actually watching the video shows that Franzen’s stick is well below that stick when he hits it into the net.
Posted by Wings for President on 01/05/09 at 12:19 AM ET
Franzen’s stick has white tape on the blade. Franzen’s always used white tape on his blades. Black blade = not Franzen’s stick.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/05/09 at 12:52 AM ET
It’s the Minnesota Wild. My guess is that Meier was probably asleep.
Posted by O-Joe on 01/05/09 at 07:45 AM ET
Also, it’s the Minnesota Wild. Who cares?
Posted by O-Joe on 01/05/09 at 07:46 AM ET
I agree with HockeyTownTodd. All these 1 goal games and OT games are frustrating. It is entertaining though.
It will be interesting to see tomorrow how we handle the BJ’s. They just spanked the Dive, and have the hot goalie. Time to send another message. Except, this will be one of those Stanley Cup finals games for the BJ’s.
Posted by Jeff from Loveland, CO on 01/05/09 at 08:25 AM ET
Calquake. Just to clarify. Backs to the wall bunch.
Lets go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/05/09 at 09:44 AM ET
Just for kicks, let’s pretend that the “A2Y 19” are a very good NHL team.
But we are bored.
The regular season just does not bring much of a challenge.
So here is the game we will play…
We will get behind by a goal, wait till 8 minutes left in the game, then try to win.
We win?
Let’s get 2 goals down and wait till 6 minutes left before we turn it on.
We win?
Let’s get 3 goals down, and wait till 4 minutes left in the game to turn it on.
etc, etc. etc.
Sound familiar?
Posted by w2j2 on 01/05/09 at 10:03 AM ET
Don’t worry about the Jackets…I have tickets to that game, and I’ll be carrying my 6-0 record into the Joe (5-0 at home, 1-0 at Wrigley). I apologize for the lack of 8 legged sea creatures at the Winter Classic, but I would have needed a water balloon launcher to even come close…the seats were great, but no one could get close enough to get an octopus on the ice.
What a satisfying week this has been, and now the officials are starting to call things our way? Good god, we could be unstoppable!
I DVR’d NBC’s coverage on Thursday, and the stupidity of Pierre McGuire never ceases to impress. The joke of the day was Lilja getting crushed from behind…I’m talking right in the numbers, they had a freezeframe of it with McGuire saying “there’s nothing wrong with that hit, some people might say that’s from the side.”...sigh, if this guy was any more anti-Detroit, he could challenge for commissioner of the NHL, or ballot counter for the All-Star Game. A close second place for the McGuire Bone Head Call of the Day would be the “wind assisted goal” that Datsyuk scored…I guess he couldn’t possibly make defensemen look bad without the wind at his back…?
Posted by Animal Drew from A Nightmare on Helm Street on 01/05/09 at 11:33 AM ET
Sound familiar?
Posted by w2j2 on 01/05/09 at 10:03 AM ET
Unfortunately yes, the deficits are getting to be 2 goals regularly now instead of just 1. Will they start moving to 3 goals soon to see if they can still come back?
Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 01/05/09 at 11:38 AM ET
It was odd that the Wings feed was in SD when my direct tv listing said HD but then it does that all the time. Anyone else have those issues?
I thought that they did a good job of showing that Franzen made contact below the crossbar during the telecast and I thought it was a good goal. I was just surprised that we actually got the call for once.
Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 01/05/09 at 11:47 AM ET
Here’s the conclusive video George mentioned, courtesy of his Snapshots blog:
http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/01/franzengate_redux.html
Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 01/05/09 at 02:16 PM ET
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Shafted? That’s a bad motherfu…. Shut your mouth! Bad calls are, unfortunately, a part of hockey that will not go away. We were on the good side for the first time in a while… yea us. We know all to well the other side. Suck it up, just like we have to, and go on to the next game.
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