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The Dater Response
by IwoCPO on 03/04/08 at 08:06 PM ET
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As many of you have noticed, Sobbing Dive Apologist Adrian Dater jumped feet first into the A2Y sand box today, defending himself following a kindhearted ode to his brilliance we posted earlier today.
A quick recap.
Yesterday, Ms. Dater posted these gems to his Denver Post blog.
“I honestly think the Avs would beat Detroit in the first round of a playoff series right now, too,”
and…
“I remember the last time the Wings had the kind of smug attitude after beating the Avs the way they did last month: It was after Game 2 of the 1999 Western semi-finals, after Detroit shut the Avs out at home to take a 2-0 lead back to the Joe.”
and…
“Datsyuk is a playoff bust year after year…”
Now, I considered letting him slide. Really. I did. Some of you may think I find it enjoyable to pick apart the idiocy of the Dive fanbase and the illiteracy of their writers. It may seem that way. But I take no enjoyment from it.
Liar. I’m a lying liar. Of course I do, even when it’s stunningly easy prey like Dater. But blast we did, and so did you. To the tune of about sixty comments all reminding Adrienne that just a little research on his part would have spared him some humiliation. The comments were tapering off around 1600 when Hemingway himself bebopped in to drop this bomb of brilliance.
Gee, trying to make debate points by rearranging the spelling of my name, to make it a female one: yes, you win the debate right then and there, Kookla. I give up.
At least I have one less site to click on in search for any intelligent comment.
Posted by Adrian Dater on 03/04 at 04:29 PM
Yes I referred to Ms. Dater as “Adrienne.” It was juvenile, and uncalled for and, well, standard for A2Y. I make no apologies. In fact, I’m damned proud of my Adriennic invention. I have a feeling, and I may be out on a limb here, that you’ll see it again.
The Dater follies continued for an hour or so, with the sobbing apologist throwing a few more soft jabs that were returned in kind by the 19 of you. But then, around 1800 Ms. Dater took it up a notch and put a shot across the A2Y bow, back at his place on the Denver Post site. A cross-continental battle royal if you will.
Anywho, a couple of the Wings blogs are all up in a lather over a few comments of mine in a posting yesterday, where I had the unmitigated gall to say Datsyuk will be a playoff bust again this year like he always is. One blog used the always sophisticated line of attack of using a different spelling for my name. I’d say “Your mother” in response, but even that is probably too intelligent for said blog.
Anywho, Adrienne--and thanks for the ammo, yes...if anything, we’ve proven our stupidity for throwing your lack of research back in your face. And feel free to mention my mother. She writes better than you too. Must run in the family.
I think the defensiveness in Detroit is coming because they’re starting to realize that they’re the same team as previous recent years: very pretty in the regular season, but not big, physical or tough enough for a long playoff run.
Again, the point we made earlier that Dater refused to acknowledge or reply to, was...what is your definition of a “long playoff run”? A western conference final berth seems, to me, to qualify as such. I guess, since it’s been six years since the Dive even sniffed a conference final, it’s hard to grasp what an accomplishment that is.
It’s just that, overall, Detroit looks beatable again for the playoffs. Anaheim would push them around again and beat them. I think San Jose would beat them now, with Campbell. And I’ll keep with my prediction: if the Avs get Smyth back and nobody else is hurt, the Avs beat the Wings in the first round.
Ah, yes. The Wings are beatable all of a sudden. The same refrain from another columnist in yet another town that hates the Wings. And let me state, again and for the record, keep those towns piling up. Detroit is home to the best hockey organ-I-zation in the world and the bitterness and jealousy from other cities is glorious to behold.
But the fact remains that the Daters and the Gordons and the Stricklands and the Burnsides and whoever else is piling on the Wings while they’re hurt were nowhere to be found when the team was healthy. Easy prey for lazy writers.
The comments are starting to accumulate at Dater’s blog. I see Paul and Matt have chimed in with eloquent, serious-minded rebuttals to Dater’s drivel. Those made me proud. But nothing, and I mean nothing, in two years of blogging has warmed my heart like this one that has Team Dub written all over it:
I love you.
I honestly love you.
Comment by Darren Garcia — March 4, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Man...absolutely priceless.
Now Adrienne. I’m not quite done. We appreciate the mention in your high-brow Aspen blog today and don’t even mind the slight of not linking to us. Your readers know who we are and the Dive bloggers are probably laughing at you right along with us. I’m going to consider the possibility that you’ve never visited A2Y before. In that case, a quick refresher for you just to prove that we’ve been following your garbage for a couple years now.
Here’s one from last October that my family enjoyed.
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Sobbing Dive apologist Adrian Dater has a blog. Nine days ago he used that blog to beg the 7 Dive fans to please, please, please try and not be so frigging stupid.
A lot of Avalanche fans lost their hats for nothing the other night.
When Ryan Smyth scored in the shootout, hats rained onto the Pepsi Center ice, but they shouldn’t have.C’mon now, Avs fans - you knew that goals scored in a shootout don’t count toward a player’s official overall goal stats. Right?
The title of that post? ”C’mon Avs Fans...You’re Better Than That.”
Ummm...Adrian? No they’re not.
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There are about twenty others. I’ll point you to them if you’d like Adrienne, but it’s kinda redundant. I’m like that sometimes. But, repetitive or not...a little note for you as you and your Dive welcome back Floppa tonite.
You’re out of your league. Your team is, and...Adrienne? You definitely are.
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Comments
Nice recap.
“Kookla” is an awfully strange way to spell “Bill.” Or “IwoCPO” for that matter.
Maybe he isn’t that well-versed in use of the spell-check function on his “compyooter.”
(And it should have been “...in search of any intelligent comments” or ..."in search of an intelligent comment.” Proper grammar and usage is the mark of a professional!)
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 03/04/08 at 09:28 PM ET
I love it! Absolutely love it! Kudos to you, Chief.
Columnists are normally clueless hacks. But when you add the thin air in the rockies to the mix, they become cluelessly loopy hacks, and team apologists to boot.
Posted by Big Al from Monroe County, MI on 03/04/08 at 09:36 PM ET
But when you add the thin air in the rockies to the mix, they become cluelessly loopy hacks, and team apologists to boot.
Ah-ha! That must be why they are catching it from both Avalanche and Wings bloggers.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 03/04/08 at 09:49 PM ET
Adrian Dater is a paragon of journalistic integrity.
Posted by Woody Paige on 03/04/08 at 10:51 PM ET
What he said.
Posted by Mark Kiszla on 03/04/08 at 10:52 PM ET
If Adrienne really is from Aspen, that says all that needs to be said. It’s a place where the “locals” bus in every day for work because the town has been bought up by the rich and the stupid. I’ll leave it to you to figure out to which group Ms. Dater belongs.
As much as I hate the Dive, nothing, and I mean nothing, rivals my hatred for the self-absorbed, ego-maniacal Aspenites.
Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids on 03/04/08 at 11:06 PM ET
Well, this has turned very fun very quickly. Forget trying to make a nuanced distinction between the level of emotion/skill Lidstrom brings to the Wings, this is far more entertaining.
TD gets immediate halloffame status!
Posted by Osrt on 03/04/08 at 11:06 PM ET
My word, I thought *I* lacked class. Thank you, Sgt Trailer Trash for setting the bar so low that I don’t even have to worry about tripping over it.
BTW, Dater jobbed you. Datsyuk has had one decent playoff year his entire career. Acting as if he’s not a playoff bust is like saying that Jimmy Carson was one of the elite goal scorers in NHL history.
Wait, what am I thinking? You don’t have the slightest clue who Jimmy Carson is.
Posted by Thomas on 03/04/08 at 11:30 PM ET
What I’m always curious about is why the hell the stupid idiotic Dive fans even comment.
If you think you can do better, feel free to comment; unless you’re a Dive fan. In that case, just shut the Hell up.
It’s in the freaking site description yet they keep coming on with their lame descriptions of how their team, the craptastic Dive, are more “talented” then the Wings. Yet they seem to continually state the point that they need everyone healthy to even have a chance. Idiots. Shut the hell up is the best thing for the stupid Dive to do or else we will just continue our 180 minute plus shutout streak of them.
Posted by Conor from Kitchener on 03/04/08 at 11:44 PM ET
All Thommy is doing is trying to drum up visitors to his new blog (you can see it by clicking on his name)...yeah, it’s about what you’d expect.
It’s all ego anyway.
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 03/04/08 at 11:53 PM ET
You don’t have the slightest clue who Jimmy Carson is.
Considering I met him in person while I was working at Joe Louis Arena, maybe you should know wtf you’re talking about before spouting off.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/04/08 at 11:59 PM ET
It wouldn’t be so easy to mock the msm if they didn’t make such elementary errors.
Wrong name of the blog author.
Somehow a single blog morphed into “a couple of blogs.” Binary fission, perhaps? And of course, none of “them” were linked - just a vague mention that amounted to a lot of hand-waving.
Using “always” as a synonym for “until last year.”
Sensing what could be considered an immature attack, the response was...exactly as immature. Displaying the cool professionalism of a true journalist.
Mistaking annoyance over the frequent sloppiness of writing, loose adherence to facts, and general paucity of information in msm hockey articles in the States for “being in a lather” over an ill-informed, outdated opinion. It’s as predictable as an adventure movie, where you can tell from the opening scene that the cynical loner hero will get together with the icy professional who has been unlucky in love, facilitated by the brave sacrifice of the token black man on the cast. Whichever team is hot at the moment is a lock to go to the finals, whichever team is struggling is inevitably going to fail in the first round, Sidney Crosby is the only hope for growing the league, Chris Chelios is really old but still pretty decent, Sidney Crosby is a good Canadian boy who will save hockey, hockey fans can’t prounounce all those foreign names and that’s why they don’t watch, the players are greedy and want too much money, the owners need cost-control so they can lower ticket prices and make hockey affordable for families, players have to do more to sell the game…
From the first couple lines of any article, nine out of ten times you can predict exactly how the arguments are going to unfold, because that is the way they always unfold, as though the msm are rationing new ideas like water in the middle of the Sahara. Articles in newspapers show little creativity and offer little in the way of new insight and a different angle on a topic. Change the names of teams, coaches, and players, and the articles are nearly interchangeable.
(Demonstrating why FireJoeMorgan.com will never lack for material to critique.)
And whether or not Mr. Dater is a paragon of journalistic integrity (which may or may not be an oxymoron) has nothing to do with the argument made that he is a mediocre writer.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 03/05/08 at 12:00 AM ET
Pav really does need another big postseason, if for no other reason than to shut up people like Dater and shake off that label for good. I’m surprised, though, that Dater can act like the Avs have fewer question marks than the Wings. Theodore looks like the go-to netminder for the playoffs, and who’s to say that his recently rediscovered game isn’t about to evaporate for sixth or seventh time.
And what about the equalizers Dater mentioned? Stastny hasn’t even played a game in the playoffs, so there’s really no telling if he’ll excel or hit the wall just like Datsyuk did in the playoffs during his first few postseasons. As for Forsberg, let’s see how that foot holds up. Maybe before Dater chides us with another cliche we can see if Foppa can make it to the playoffs in one piece.
Posted by Pete from Michigan on 03/05/08 at 12:10 AM ET
a2y: hubris central.
I only wish it wasn’t posted on the main page.
Bit of a hassle having to glance at the petty drivel and asinine remarks. (HOLMER A LOCK FOR 40) You can really only glaze over such horrid writing (the content, not necessarily the verbiage or grammar.) and general jackassery before it becomes a pain to visit what’s otherwise a pretty decent website.
It’s worth noting that I’m not a moping Avs fan, I’m not a bitter supporter of the blue notes, and I don’t especially care for most of the teams whose fan bases you take the time to attack while being a member of one of the worst groups in the entire league, I’m just a hockey fan. I only wish the same could be said for you.
Posted by Vlad Iscariot on 03/05/08 at 12:56 AM ET
I have to admire the blind optimism of the Dive fan. It’s so....charming.
Even IF the Dive make the playoffs, Budaj and Theodore are going to be the cows in the velociraptor pen. The only thing left will be a stick and part of a blocker. Neither of the Dive goalies can stop a beach ball yet this is a team capable of beating...well anyone in a playoff series?
The Dive are 16th in team scoring and 11th in team GAA. Not exactly setting the hockey world on fire.
Individually: Budaj is 23rd with a 2.62 GAA and 33rd with a save percentage so bad I’d feel dirty just writing it. Theodore, is better, but not much: 14th in GAA w. 2.47 and 26th in save percentage.
Jose hasn’t been the same since the performance enhancing...er fabulous hair debacle (http://tinyurl.com/2rezz8), and Budjai, well the numbers say all there is to say.
Posted by wingsfanindenver on 03/05/08 at 01:00 AM ET
Jimmy Carson had 275 career goals in 626 games played. If we translate this into one season, it becomes 36 goals in 82 games.
Let’s see the best season Peter Forsberg has had in the goals category....oh.....30. And I also see that Jimmy Carson scored 27 more goals in his career than Foppa, in 71 less games.
Numbers can tell many different stories....
Posted by Luc on 03/05/08 at 01:06 AM ET
Vlad,
We make no pretensions about our immaturity, blind homerism or general arrogance. In fact, we revel in it. That’s one of the wonderful things about having a blog by and for fans of a specific team.
You have the choice not to click on anything written by IwoCPO on the main page.
If you had any other first name, except maybe Stevie or Nick, I would have been bitten off your head. But in loving tribute to your namesake, I’ll just tell you not to come here if you find it, rightfully, offensive.
best,
A2Y Readers
Posted by Osrt on 03/05/08 at 02:33 AM ET
Posted by Woody Paige on 03/04 at 10:51 PM
Wow, you don’t get much better endorsements than from the guy who invented the phrase “Joe Sack Five.”
Boys, nobody’s forcing you to come here and read drivel. If it’s really painful for you, don’t hang around. Do something else. Make daisy chains. Visit a dairy and see how milk is processed and prepared for delivery. Write a self-aggrandizing blog about how everybody knows who you are and what a thorn you are in the side of the online community. Volunteer to feed the homeless.
Otherwise, let the results and records speak for themselves.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from the local shelter, helping to make a difference on 03/05/08 at 03:45 AM ET
Vlad:
A2Y is actually sarcasm central, not hubris central.
You should replace “glaze” with “glance,” and watch your period usage (as you have an extra one).
And if “petty drivel and asinine remarks” are a turn-off, you might want to avoid approximately nine blogs out of ten - and the vast majority of message boards. I know I avoid some blogs for that reason myself.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 03/05/08 at 06:29 AM ET
Poor Dater. Poor Dive fans.
In both cases they find themselves twisted by deep-rooted envy.
I actually feel worse for Dater. He goes to sleep at night wishing he could have had Woody Paige’s career. At least Dive fans cry themselves to sleep wishing they had a team like the Wings to root for.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/05/08 at 08:06 AM ET
I don’t get how someone can be upset about the homerism of a blog with the names of two Red Wings in its title… something must be lost in the translation of how all the sub-sections of Kukla’s are summarized on the main page.
And Vlad, for all of our arrogance, and the way we insult other fan-bases, you do realize that we are insulted twice as much, right? Besides, it’s all good-natured. I don’t blame Blues fans for hating us. I’d hate us too. But we’re not about to sit here and not return the favor. What good is sports if there’s no rivalry, passion, homerism, and hate?
Posted by Nathan on 03/05/08 at 09:14 AM ET
I’m a little late to this. I just read the comments on Adrienne’s blog.
It’s a cold day in hell when multiple ‘Dique fans are either bashing Adrienne’s comments, if not flat out defending the views of us Wings fans.
And to think, had Dater done a little research, his post wouldn’t have bothered anyone. Though it’s obvious why he ignored those little things called “facts”.
Funny how the research (thanks to a ‘Dique fan, no less), shows that Datsyuk’s numbers were comparable to those of Ryan Getzlaf last season, and that his career numbers are diluted because he played a third of his career playoff games as a fourth line player!
Pav still has to go out and do it again, no doubt, but he has done enough to invalidate claims that he will perform poorly in the postseason.
Now I can’t decide which group of “journalists” are worse—Dive apologists or the Deep Diggers. Just the fact that I’m asking this question tears away the fabric of my entire existence. If there was one thing I always knew to be true—a reference point of absoluteness, if you will—it was that the Diggers were the worst group of “journalists” in the country.
Posted by Nathan on 03/05/08 at 09:37 AM ET
Is it me or is it just gettin hot in here?
Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 03/05/08 at 09:59 AM ET
Waitwaitwaaaaaaaaaait a second.
There are still Blues fans?
Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/05/08 at 11:47 AM ET
It’s a cold day in hell when multiple ‘Dique fans are either bashing Adrienne’s comments, if not flat out defending the views of us Wings fans.
I think it’s a reaction to the slip-shod nature of the writing of so many journalists, and at the same time the sheer arrogance they seem to feel that mere peons would dare to arrogate some of their divine authority to their own unwashed selves.
I read bloggers (non-msm with a couple of notable assumptions) because the writing is better, the research is more accurate, they support suppositions with facts and cite sources of same, they are more thoughtful in their analysis, and when it comes to humor and snark the msm “bloggers” are lame and sad.
It’s like seeing a middle-aged man with graying hair and a receding hairline wearing a ponytail in a desperate attempt to look hip and young, when all he looks is pathetic.
Funny how the research (thanks to a ‘Dique fan, no less), shows that Datsyuk’s numbers were comparable to those of Ryan Getzlaf last season, and that his career numbers are diluted because he played a third of his career playoff games as a fourth line player!
Glad someone else did the work - I haven’t had time to get the numbers together myself.
Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 03/05/08 at 11:48 AM ET
Geez, and I thought the Oilers - Flames rivalry was heated 
Posted by dash_pinched on 03/05/08 at 11:55 AM ET
Ok, Ok, I have now read his blog. And apparently if its going to be like this I might as well throw my hat into the ring…
If the Dive are desperate to renew our rivalry so be it. We could use a few practice rounds before we mop the ducks up this year. What was Calgary ( a team supposed to upset and beat us down last year) will now be Colorado. Hell it even gives us a reason to bring up McCarty. Sorry Kopecky and possibly Hudlem your gonna be sitting because our 4th line is gonna be McCarty-Downey-Drake. (imagine that line of doom for just this type of game)
You already got Babcock warmed up giving him his first lesson in Dive Hating 101. Without the likes of our aforementioned 4th line of doom last year we mopped the floor with Calgary punishing them physically and abusing them mentally. Well that was all well and good but the shotgun is now loaded with the 4th line of doom. Lapierre better wear *#$%@& chain mail under his uniform come spring.
As wings fan we here by support and pray that Footegate (both Adam and Foppa) manage to help get you the 8th seed. At that point I offer you this piece of advice… When you step in the Wings house u better bring your flax jacket because we gonna get ya. This will be an embarrassment greater then you’ve seen Hasek told Roy to sit his ass down and retire. The year was 2002 the game was Game 7 of the western Conference Finals. End score. 7-0 Wings advance.
Oddly enough Mr. Datsyuk had a goal as a rookie in that game.
Posted by solo16 on 03/05/08 at 12:32 PM ET
Gasp its a conspiracy. Could it be A2Y is actually advertising Mr. Dater’s book????
Posted by solo16 on 03/05/08 at 12:45 PM ET
Gasp its a conspiracy. Could it be A2Y is actually advertising Mr. Dater’s book????
Nope, just smart advertising, and hey, that 60 cent commission is really a big help to KK!
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/05/08 at 01:09 PM ET
I clicked on quite a few adds today. Because I was amused enough to want to send some cash to the host.
Posted by solo16 on 03/05/08 at 01:11 PM ET
Way to hold the Masterdater’s feet to the fire Chief. I have been going at it with Adrienne and Terry Frei for the last couple of weeks via e-mail. Seems their getting all cranked up here in CO with the second coming of Floppa. All you have to do is keep giving those guy’s body blows. They cannot take it. They have thin skin.
Dater does not do his research as you say. It is actually fun being a Red Wing fan here in CO. I have been listening and reading this drival for years out here. No other place like it. The media whores and the Av fans do not handle adversity well. They had it too good from the beginning. Last year they all started to fall off the Divemobile in mass.
Posted by Jeff from Loveland, CO on 03/05/08 at 03:02 PM ET
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