“Chris Osgood dove.  I’ll say it up front, and the replays confirmed it seconds after it happened.  Sykora skimmed him and he took a seat.”

Sorry Chief, I say Bullshit. I’ve watched it enough. I’ve played and reffed enough. What sells it for me is that Sykora “squares up” his shoulders heading behind the net. He makes a split decision to initiate contact with a goaltender attempting to return to the crease and disregards the puck and play. That raises the arm for infraction.

Posted by Puck from San Francisco, CA on 05/27/08 at 04:13 AM ET

I have no doubt that Sykora attempted contact Puck.  And I think he touched him.  “Skimmed” may have been too light a term. But, I also think Osgood embellished a bit.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 05/27/08 at 04:17 AM ET

I particularly like this bit from the above linked article:

There’s a lot of talk about goalie equipment surrounding the final, but no one has said out loud that Osgood seems to have a mattress and box spring in front of the Detroit goal. Of course he doesn’t, otherwise the Penguins would be all over it, tucked in for the night.

I really can’t stop laughing.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/27/08 at 04:23 AM ET

“I have no doubt that Sykora attempted contact Puck.  And I think he touched him.  “Skimmed” may have been too light a term. But, I also think Osgood embellished a bit.”
OK, I’ll meet you there that there could have been a bit of embellishment, but when calling a game, those are the split second decisions that a ref has to make, and regardless of how the goalie might flop, I think the arm went up as intentful contact was initiated and the goalie didn’t return to position unimpeded. That’s how I saw it, at least on first few views. Especially after the dissallowed goal in the first game. I’m sure the league told the refs to be cognisant of any shennaingans against the goalies.

Posted by Puck from San Francisco, CA on 05/27/08 at 04:28 AM ET

CBC didn’t say Osgood dove - they referred to the contact with Sykora as a “subtle shoulder,” which I thought was fair.  He wasn’t trying to knock the goaltender over, but he was trying to interfere with him.

More contact than Homer has made and gotten penalties for, that’s for sure.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/27/08 at 05:05 AM ET

If Franzen doesn’t dive to the ice, it’s a nonissue.
Didn’t think he was that soft.

His “concussion” was aggravated so much that he played his next scheduled shift, and after tearing up to the refs, the inevitable protective halo around the Fool made its first appearance.

Osgood initiating contact with Malone and then doing a swan dive is just as cheap as Red Wing fans allege the Roberts thing was.

Go Pens
Pens in 4
FEEEEEEED MEEEEE

Posted by Pensblog on 05/27/08 at 05:06 AM ET

Frustration rules!
Targeting Franzen’s head? Seems to me they should be targeting the net…
Maybe thier cry baby coach can whine a few goals past Ozzie “the actor”.

Posted by knowntome from west of MI on 05/27/08 at 06:43 AM ET

Chief,
Did not have time to comment on your game 1 adventure.  Thanks for representing all us “transplants at the Joe Sat. night so well.

Sykora went out of his way to make something happen-period.
Therrien is an ass.  He could not even answer a question at his press conference after the game.  All he could say is that the Red Wings obstruct his poor team, and Gary’s Baby Boy.  Sore loser!  Want to see clutching/grabbibg, and obstruction Coach?  Watch every Red Wing game during the season and see what opponents try to do to the Red Wings.
As Babcock said after the game, the Wings need to play even better.  I think they will.  I believe they have a resolve, that shennanigans that Therrien pulls will only piss them off.

Posted by Jeff from Loveland, CO on 05/27/08 at 07:03 AM ET

I think the arm went up as intentful contact was initiated and the goalie didn’t return to position unimpeded.

I pointed it out last night, and I will here again - the Penguins intentionally targeted Osgood.  watch the third period with 1:35 left.  Roberts tries to knock down Osgood but simply misses, on a play EXACTLY the same as Sykora’s.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/27/08 at 07:04 AM ET

And he this whole time I thought Boob from Boulder was the biggest dumbass in hockey fandom.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 07:16 AM ET

he = here

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 07:18 AM ET

New A2Y Dictionary Name for the Pens Coach - Baghdad Bob, the Iraqi Information Minister. 

“The Wings are not outscoring us 7-0. These are the lies of the foul western conference press.  Our offense is unstoppable and we rout the Winged Wheel like the dogs they are.”

Posted by RWBill from Richmond, VA on 05/27/08 at 07:51 AM ET

The post game On The Fly last night was horrible. I am sick and tired of hearing about how the Pengins lost. Not how the Wing have won. Two consecutive wins, shutouts at that, are largely ignored by anyone that is supposed to be covering the finals.

The spin has been what can the Pens do? Not how the Wings have totally dominated. Mark Messier said at the end of the Versus coverage, lets be honest Detroit has completely dominated both games. No goals. That speaks volumes.

Then, the post game interview with the biggest crybaby of a coach I have ever seen. Funnier than that, was Roberts saying he did not cheap shot Franzen, as a replay was being shown of him doing exactly that!
 
And then we get to Gary’s Baby Boy. Is he deluded? How can he actually sit there and spew some of the crap that he does. If your going to make excuses, at least make them believable. Obstructing, diving. What a joke! If that were the case why on earth did the poor Pens have nine penalties and the Wings only three? Pittsburgh doesn’t have a prayer as long as they continue to blame anyone but themselves for not showing up. 
  Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen.

  Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/27/08 at 07:58 AM ET

By the way, did it seem like Murph had a couple? He could barely talk after the game.

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/27/08 at 08:02 AM ET

Chief,
Since I did not have time to comment before, thanks for representing us “transplants” at the Joe last Sat..  You did well

Sykora-He went out of his way to engage Osgood, to make something happen-period.
Therrien-What an ass.  At his post game presser, trying to play the obstuction whinner game-Gary"s poor Baby Boy not getting room, etc…pathetic.  He should watch all the Red Wing games during the season, and see what Wing’s opponents attempt to do to them.
Babcock-We can play better and must.  You know what?  I think they will.  And now that Therrien has them pulling some shennanigans, that will only fuel the Big Red Machine!

Posted by Jeff from Loveland, CO on 05/27/08 at 08:06 AM ET

What I’ve been catching a lot of Pens fans in was the Malone interference call.  Here’s the deal with that… A player has the same right to any part of the ice as any other player, unless it’s in the crease; that area belongs to the goaltender.  Malone hit Ozzie in the blue paint.  Everybody knows that rule.  Whether or not Osgood initiated that contact isn’t an issue.

Posted by J.J. from kansas on 05/27/08 at 08:23 AM ET

Considering that the Wings have lost 2 goals when Holmstrum was not even in the crease nor making contact with the goalie, it’s difficult to believe people can complain about 2 interference calls when one was 2 feet inside the crease, and the other skates sideways and launches his shoulder up into the goalie behind the net.

Then the Chosen Flock complain about not being allowed to skate in on goal unchallenged, after all they are the Chosen Flock, the new official face of the NHL, while at the same time they engage in sucker punching from behind right to the side of the face.  Not man-to-man mind you, cowardly sucker punching.

The sick part is the NHL consists of cowards and Baghdad Bob going public with his whining will end up giving the Pens numerous first period power plays at home in game 3 if the Wings attempt to play defense.  The Chosen Flock must be allowed to get back in the series for the good of the NHL product.  Gary.Ass

Posted by RWBill from Richmond, VA on 05/27/08 at 08:33 AM ET

The comments on pensblog are interesting. Apparently some of the fans there have labeled the Wings as the Devils of the West, and that we’ve all somehow gone back in time.  Their reasoning is that the Wings play a boring defensive style not seen since before the lockout and they’re tired of watching their pens get shut down. I thought that was just called good defense.  So now it’s boring hockey because they’re team hasn’t scored.  And the Wings are a boring team to watch because they haven’t let one in yet? I don’t get it.  Obviously I’m a deluded Wings fan.

Posted by AndrewB from TN on 05/27/08 at 08:34 AM ET

Totally agree RWBill. My exact thoughts after reading what was said at the press conf.  And it’s sickening! Maybe they can convene the group Shanahan put together during the lockout and make all defensive motions a penalty. Eliminate all contact and start calling the infractions fouls.  Then Gary can feel right at home.  Mark my words, it’s only a matter of time before defensive stick work is all but eliminated in the game.  I’m sure Cindy will one day sit on that council or whatever the hell they are and decree such.  The NHL sucks.

Posted by AndrewB from TN on 05/27/08 at 08:41 AM ET

If you are going to blame a shut out on one interference call or one penalty. You are either not watching the games or you are simply plain old stupid. Whining about unfair treatment from the refs? Shuddap already. Clutching grabbing obstruction, I am sorry is it 1990 and Mario again? (Nothing against Mario, as he had a legit gripe BACK THEN).
Roberts actions were purely gutless. The interference on Malone was a good call, he made ZERO effort to avoid contact with the goalie and his attempt to push the Baby Boy out of the way was what caused the contact.
Same with Sykora, he definately made intentional contact with the goalie. The fact that Ozzie helped sell it is a smart play by a veteran netminder. Anyone who says the hyphen 3 name goalie wouldn’t do the same it kidding themselves, but not me.
Nevermind the hit on Z about 30 seconds late.
Was it me, or was that the first time you’ve seen Pavel really ready to fight?
If the other team doesn’t regroup and get back to what got them here (hint NOT whining, bitching and crying about thngs after the fact) they are in for one hell of a bitter end to a sweet season. and I’m all for it.
The rope’s around the neck, lets give the chair a kick.
Pedal down.
2 and counting.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 05/27/08 at 08:43 AM ET

@ RWBILL—Baghdad Bob = Michelle Therrien!  Priceless, good thing I didn’t have my coffee mug in or near my mouth at the time.  Mega-kudos!

Also mega-kudos to Gene Collier for calling Roberts shot exactly what it was.

I saw the “ON THE FLY” last night, and thought it pretty fair.  Murph actually impressed me with his assessment of Baghdad Bob’s presser—called him “flabberghasted”.  Pretty spot-on if you ask me.

This analogy has been hinted at before, what with “Gary’s baby” and all that.  This series has been called experience vs. youth;  to me, especially after last night’s game:

Boys vs. Men.

Right now the top players on DET are schooling the PIT players (Craig Simpson HNIC rewind).

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 05/27/08 at 08:43 AM ET

When asked about opposing teams complaining about his ‘clutching and grabbing’ Konstantinov remarked with a smile: “I like it when they complain.”

Posted by wings-B-rollin' on 05/27/08 at 08:54 AM ET

Chosen Flock,

That would make the fans…Flockers?! Way to go RWBill!

Posted by Rumbear from Top O da Hasek, sippin rum & catchin some rays on 05/27/08 at 08:54 AM ET

References to PensBlog on this site prompted me to wander there over the weekend. Don’t waste your time. It gets heavy traffic, but for the most part it seems to be comments by new drinkers talking about getting drunk the night before, what it is they are drinking as they comment, or their plans for getting drunk at some time in the future. Hockey talk is mostly just Penguins cheerleading and hopeful predictions of who Penguin goalscorers will be. Nothing, or at least very little, of acutual insight. And for some reason, a lot of drooling worship of Gary Roberts and the apparent powers he’s acquired in old age to leap tall buildings.
I always liked Roberts game in Calgary and Toronto, but along with the erosion of his skills, his idea of leadership has devolved to a punch from behind to a guy fresh off a concussion. You’d think a guy with his own history of neck problems would be a little more respectful of another player.
But back to Penguins fans. I get a kick out of these places that embrace guys who show up in their towns to play a few games at the ends of their careers as some kind of prodigal sons, like Borque and Colorado or Roberts and Pittsburgh. Now certainly, we’ve had our share of mercenaries come through town, and they become our own while they’re here, but never do they get seated in the pantheon with the Howes, Lindsays, Sawchucks, Abels and Yzermans. Shows the desperation some places have for heroes and what we sometimes take for granted here.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 09:22 AM ET

Osgood initiating contact with Malone and then doing a swan dive is just as cheap as Red Wing fans allege the Roberts thing was.

I wholly agree Ozzie had some nice dives in that game, but you just sound like a lunatic equating the two things. Especially when you’re a fanboy for a guy that was diving’s poster child his first couple seasons in the league.

I thought the people over at Pensblog knew hockey, but it’s pretty clear I was wrong if they think that Detroit in 2008 play the same game as New Jersey in 1995.

The only similarity there is that both teams play a strong, team-based defensive system that clogs up neutral ice. Which is something I believe you were priding yourselves on, Pens fans, going into the Final.

New Jersey played a strict 1-2-2 defensive system, at the expense of their offense. They dumped pucks in (didn’t pass them D-to-D to retain possession or skate up ice). Detroit plays close to a 1-2-2, except that they rotate the forechecking forward in and out of the zone to keep guys fresh, and once they have the puck (which you’ve come to learn is most of the time) they play offense (seven goals in two games is decent, I’d say… oh, right and they were one of the top scoring teams in the regular season).

It bores you not because it’s anything like New Jersey’s system, but because it beats you. When your team dominated the puck against Philly, it wasn’t boring, was it?

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 05/27/08 at 09:29 AM ET

I’m sure Cindy will one day sit on that council or whatever the hell they are and decree such.

Or threaten to quit the game unless the rules are changed to suit him.  Just like his whiny bitch Godmother Mario did.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 09:31 AM ET

I realized the whole “1-2-2” thing might confuse you.

Maybe you’ll understand it this way.

New Jersey never backchecked, because they always had four guys between the puck and the goalie. That’s why they were successful defensively.

Detroit is successful defensively for the opposite reason—even though they put all three forwards deep in the offensive zone, at least two forwards on each of the four lines are capable of backchecking hard, and putting back-pressure on the opposition’s forwards, allowing the two D between the goalie and the puck to step up and clog the gaps.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 05/27/08 at 09:32 AM ET

By the way, we have our own real prodigal son in Dallas Drake. Don’t underestimate his effect on this team. Letting him go wasn’t a mistake on the scale of the Marcel Dionne trade, but I would say it ranks with the Mike Foligno or Randy McKay blunders.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 09:34 AM ET

Does it bother Wings fans that with about a minute left in a 3-0 game, Sykora hits Osgood and Lilja skates over and seems to ask him not to do it again. It took a couple pens players jumping in the pile to actually start anything. How can they let Osgood get hit (I know it wasn’t hard, but still) and not do anything. Detroit is a phenomenal hockey team, it would just drive me nuts how they refuse to stand up for each other. Even after the Franzen punch, nobody does anything.

On that note, the Franzen punch was just that, a punch, no different than Crosby and Lebda giving each other shots on the first shift. If you don’t think injuries are targeted in the playoffs, get your head out of the sand. And if you don’t think Franzen dove, same advice applies.

Posted by Beaton from Canada on 05/27/08 at 09:39 AM ET

but never do they get seated in the pantheon with the Howes, Lindsays, Sawchucks, Abels and Yzermans.

Brett Hull as an example.  One of the greatest goal-scorers of all time.  While I appreciate his contributions in 2002, I never really warmed up to him.  It just never felt right seeing him wearing the Winged Wheel.  I know other Wings fans that feel the same way.  Thanks for the helping bring home the Cup, Brett, now go away.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 09:42 AM ET

“kick chair out from under them”

“Meet the Flockers”

Nathan anyone who could think that the Wings style = Devils 90s is going to be too hockey-ignorant to understand your explanations!  Wings have remained one of the highest scoring teams in the league while also leading at keeping the goal out of their own net.

Barring injuries and 2 dubious calls Game 5 v. ANA last year the Wings would be on the verge of back-to-back Cups again.

That said, a long way to go still.

Posted by RWBill from Richmond, VA on 05/27/08 at 09:46 AM ET

Beaton, I understand your point and I think part of what is preached to the Wings is not to take stupid retaliatory penalties.  Beating them on the scoreboard hurts more than beating them on the ice.  This is just my opinion.

I thought it was interesting that VS chose to focus significant camera time on Therrien and Crosby whining to the refs and linesmen during the game last night. 

Going to the Igloo will be interesting.  I expect the Wings to be killing off a lot of PPs in the first period.

Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 05/27/08 at 09:51 AM ET

You have a terrific grasp of the obvious regarding the targeting of injuries, Beaton. However, punches from behind are something else altogether.
Please feel free to weigh in with any similar epiphanies you’ve experienced regarding which direction we should be looking to see the rising sun.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 09:52 AM ET

I couldn’t care less that nobody challenged Sykora or Roberts. That’s a hold-over mandate from the Scotty Bowman—do not retaliate to the mind-screw stuff.  Stay focused on playing your game and beating them, not beating up on them. 

Nobody will remember the after-whistle stuff or which players got the better of whom in the scrums.  Everybody will remember which team got the better of the other on the scoreboard, though.

That’s all I care about—the scoreboard.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 09:54 AM ET

Re: Wings = Devils…

The reason the Wings have played such shut-down defense and slowed things down (especially in the 3rd period of games 1 and 2) is that they’ve played with a 1- or 2-goal cushion!  If the Pens had managed a goal or two during the first two games, the games would likely be much more open, but the Wings have put on a clinic in how to protect leads late in a playoff game.  The Wings are “clogging” the neutral zone because they can!  They don’t have to worry about scoring, since the Pens clearly can’t do it.  The team defense is incredible, but as RWBill has just pointed out, calling the 2nd-highest scoring team in the league (I think?) this year a reincarnation of the Devils is simply ignorant.

Posted by Incognetis from Delaware... Hi... I'm in... Delaware on 05/27/08 at 09:56 AM ET

“They’re staying up at the blue line and one guy is coming back hard,” said Pittsburgh’s Marian Hossa. “... It seems like they’re everywhere.”

This is coming from the guy they brought in to put them over the top…the “big fish” in the free agent pool this year.  Reduced to a dazed response.  Pretty damn cool to see that.

Posted by disch from bat country on 05/27/08 at 10:00 AM ET

Hull was fine by me until he opened his fat mouth.  And although Luc Robitaille was a mercenary as well I did enjoy seeing him win a cup.  He came here to win a cup, did, and never complained about ice time.  Which, if I remember correctly, was pretty low while he wore red and white.

The player it was hardest for me to see as a Red Wing? Bertuzzi.  Glad they passed or he passed or whatever.  The guy’s talented but about as dumb as Gary Roberts.  Really, you don’t think that kind of crap makes you look like an assclown who talks about ‘the code’ with tongue planted in cheek? Really?

Posted by AndrewB from TN on 05/27/08 at 10:02 AM ET

The only good thing I can say about Roberts’ “performance” is that he was among the very few Penguins who actually said (in a nutshell) that the Red Wings are playing great and his team, not so much.

RE: Messier’s comments after the game—He compared the Wings to his/Gretzky’s Oilers. High praise indeed, although I seem to recall more “7-5” games with a lot less backchecking in that era.

RE: Osgood—As I mentioned in another post, he did not “dive” in the perjorative sense in either case. On the Malone penalty, he ran into Malone—inside the crease—while following the puck, then dove back to his left to make the save (and a darn good one) on the ensuing point blank shot. If that’s “acting,” I’ll take two more wins worth, please. On the Sykora penalty—whether you want to call it subtle or not—Sykora absolutely, flat-out put his shoulder into Osgood. He made zero attempt to avoid a goaltender who had just played the puck behind the net. Anything Osgood did after that is irrelevant. Even if someone wants to argue that he “embellished” it. So what. It was interference. End of story.

Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 05/27/08 at 10:11 AM ET

i don’t understand how Therrien can think that whining about obstruction can help his team’s confidence.  he needs to look in that room and tell his best players that they need to be better (a la Babcock).  have the announcers said “Sergei Gonchar” once in this series?  Evgeni Malkin?  clearly his “coaching” doesn’t seem to be working thus far.  let’s hope it continues.

and if he wants more power plays, the Pens better do something with them.  they have yet to capitalize with a man up.

also, has their been a more savvy move this year than the Stuart pickup?  i know he’s had a few ehhh games but his play in the last few has been great and obviously he and Kronner are great together.  hopefully they’ll resign him.

Posted by Alex from San Francisco on 05/27/08 at 10:12 AM ET

References to PensBlog on this site prompted me to wander there over the weekend. Don’t waste your time. It gets heavy traffic, but for the most part it seems to be comments by new drinkers talking about getting drunk the night before, what it is they are drinking as they comment, or their plans for getting drunk at some time in the future.

I browsed around there for a minute or so last week.  Dweebs thinking they’re hockey’s version of fark.com is the impression I came away with.

And they’re not even close.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 10:13 AM ET

Great explanation, Nathan- where do you coach? Go share your knowledge on PensBlog and wait for the nods of understanding. Or more likely, farting noises.
As Incognetis points out, the Wings are a little ‘boring’ to watch when they’re sitting on a two goal lead later in a game.
They remind me more of the 70s and 80s Red Army teams more the the 90s Devils.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 10:15 AM ET

What doesn’t help is that the Wings can play swarming defense because the only forward skating for the Penguins seems to be Crosby sometimes.  Everyone else just waits for him to do something.

The CBC crew also pointed out how easy it was for Detroit to play against Malkin because they knew for a fact that he wasn’t going to pass the puck.  Since he was determined to carry it in himself, four Wings could surround him and take the puck away since they had no fear of a give-and-go with anyone else.

Re: any comparisons with the Devils - I suggest someone ask Rafalski.  He seems to notice the difference and enjoy it quite a bit, and he should know more than anyone else from experience.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/27/08 at 10:15 AM ET

I hated the Bertuzzi signing and the bad mojo he brought with him. You’d have thought Anaheim would have noticed.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 10:22 AM ET

Stuart has worked out very well.  I don’t remember him being very good with Calgary last year, or with Boston before that, actually.  He’d always do something boneheaded.  Maybe he outgrew it.

You know things are going well when a Lilja trip and giveaway don’t result in a goal against.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/27/08 at 10:23 AM ET

I have made a conscious decision to block all memory of Bertuzzi from my mind.  He didn’t look right at all in the uniform.

It isn’t just the guys who were drafted and rose to prominence as Red Wings that are well liked, though.  Chelios had a long career before he ever came to Detroit, and now he has hung around so long that more people might think of him as a Wing than anything else.  Odd considering how important he was to Chicago.

Sometimes adopted sons work out pretty well. 

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 05/27/08 at 10:26 AM ET

Re: any comparisons with the Devils - I suggest someone ask Rafalski.

They already did—they being John Keating during one of FSD’s Red Wings Weekly segments earlier this season.  Rafalski said there’s no comparison.  Much more offense-oriented in Detroit, which suits his game better, obviously.

Posted by O-Joe on 05/27/08 at 10:36 AM ET

I was shocked when the Wings acquired Chelios, considering the mutual dislike he and Detroit hockey fans shared when he was with the Blackhawks.

Posted by BobS. on 05/27/08 at 10:39 AM ET

Wings look like a bunch of old men out there TRYING to skate with those young and unencumbered Penguins.

SUCK IT Pen fans.

Fail.

/Go shave Sidney (and get a man’s name while you’re at it…oh, and tell your little girlfriend MaryAnn Hossasass to do the same)
//Gary Roberts isn’t worth my carpal tunnel to type his name. Learn from Chelios how to train you 42 old bucket of a has-been almost hockey player
///SUCK IT MELROSE….THANKS FOR TAKING THE PENGUINS
////Thanks Gary. Ass!

Bring your brooms to Mellon so little Malkin has a ride home.

Posted by Scott H from Kalamazoo on 05/27/08 at 10:42 AM ET

Did Ozzie embellish those two interference calls?  Maybe, but that’s the sad state of officiating in this league now.  Malone and Sykora committed the penalties, plain and simple.  Had Ozzie stayed on his feet and left it upto the refs to make the call like they should have, I guarantee you that one or both of those calls would not have been made.  That’s how bad it has gotten.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from COLUMBIA, TENNESSEE on 05/27/08 at 10:45 AM ET

Give the Pens a break.  Their MVP candidate is “tired”.

Sucker-punching whiney bit**es.

Posted by Cal on 05/27/08 at 10:56 AM ET