You will have to explain to me how this is a bad thing?

Arguably best player in NHL making a return to the game…  yea, no need to mention that.

It’s not like it is the same guy tweeting this stuff.  I am sure you must know Paul that NHL.com has many many contributors and their articles are not filtered by content.

Wow, Wing fans need to move on… it was like 3 years ago… lol

Posted by WingMan from The Q C on 11/21/11 at 01:28 AM ET

Arguably best player in NHL making a return to the game…  yea, no need to mention that.

...with 11 articles/videos? Yeah, this guy hasn’t been stroked enough.

Wow, Wing fans need to move on… it was like 3 years ago… lol

4 Cups in 11 seasons. Not to beat a dead horse or anything but…that’s sooo fu*king impressive. But yeah…that one year…

Posted by godblender on 11/21/11 at 02:35 AM ET

Wingman, you make it sound as if there is just a mention of Crosby.

The home page of NHL.com is strictly controlled byt NHL.com editors.

I just feel it is too much and believe me, it will be even worse tomorrow.  Just wait.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 02:58 AM ET

There were 4 games yesterday, and yet 2 of the 5 rotating “main stories” were “Sid Returns” and “Crosby Returns”.  Really?  Why is that necessary?  One of the two would be fine, and allow them to cover ALL FOUR GAMES.

I understand that Crosby returning is news, but it is not the ONLY news in the NHL, and I think that the editors of the NHL front page really dropped the ball by not including the Vancouver/Ottawa game in the rotating headlines.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 07:51 AM ET

Right back at it ehh Paul?

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 08:22 AM ET

You will have to explain to me how this is a bad thing?

Posted by WingMan from The Q C on 11/21/11 at 12:28 AM ET

    I’m pretty sure the NHL didn’t fall apart while he was gone, right? Oh and I don’t think the annoyance with the over the top Crosby-love that the NHL engages in is Red Wing fan exclusive. My guess is if you poll any large group of fans, over the age of twelve and not living in Pittsburgh, you’ll find a fair amount of disgust with the leagues over the top promotion of Mr. Crosby.

Posted by From The Hockey Wastelands from Cleveland on 11/21/11 at 08:26 AM ET

Paul, thanks for pointing this out. I guess we should allow Sid to have his day, but still this is pretty ridiculous.  I know I will be watching the game tonight, in hopes that Matt Martin will welcome Rosby back to the league (and this is especially likely since he leads the league in hits) although I don’t think he will get much playing time against the Pen’s top line. Maybe Hamonic or Comeau can do the honors. I sincerely wish Thid no harm, especially not another concussion, but you know what I mean…

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 08:54 AM ET

You will have to explain to me how this is a bad thing?

Arguably best player in NHL making a return to the game…  yea, no need to mention that.

You will have to explain to me how eleven articles on the front page is nothing more than “mentioning” something.

It would be one thing if it were a website that compiles hockey stories from all over the globe into one easily accessible page, and there were articles from all over, but this is ONE SITE doing it.

If you honestly don’t get that…

Posted by Garth on 11/21/11 at 09:05 AM ET

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance coming

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 09:23 AM ET

The Red Wings are on a two game win streak.  They should have 11 articles pointing that out.  That’s a much bigger story than the best player/face of the league returning to the game after a 10+ month injury.

I will do something about this, Red Wings fans don’t feel they are getting enough respect.  I’m taking to the streets!!

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 09:30 AM ET

He will be back on IR before the first period is over.

Posted by Red Winger from work on 11/21/11 at 09:31 AM ET

A cracked Egg at that!

I kind of hope he doesn’t regret waiting til next season when the soft pads start being used.

Posted by Navarath on 11/21/11 at 09:32 AM ET

Red Wings fans don’t feel they are getting enough respect.  I’m taking to the streets!!

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 08:30 AM ET

No, we feel the NHL’s man-crush on Sid is now a running joke. If you don’t believe me, then talk to the half-dozen very lukewarm hockey fans I was with this past weekend. One made a comment about how foolish the NHL looks in throwing all their eggs into the Crosby Basket. They find the NHL’s marketing strategy to be slightly below Neanderthal standards.

Crosby does very, very little to ignite interest in the mediocre and non-fan. His whiny personality no doubt is a big reason.

Posted by Red Winger from work on 11/21/11 at 09:35 AM ET

Guys I’ve started a new non-profit organization it’s called Red Wing Fans Are The Most Insecure, Fantastical, And Jealous Fan In All Of Sports or RWFATMIFAJFIAOS for short.  We want 11 stories about Pavel Datysuk and his progress in speaking the English language on NHL.com.

LET’S DO IT!!

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 09:46 AM ET

I won’t lie, I hope he gets blasted and has to sit out again.

Crosby is pretty much the worst thing to happen to the game in decades, and I’m sick of him.  The league really blew a great opportunity with him out, they could have broadened appeal to the casual fan.

Crosby does very, very little to ignite interest in the mediocre and non-fan.

Posted by Red Winger from work on 11/21/11 at 08:35 AM ET

This, a million times this.  Nonfans and casual sports fans routinely look at him and say “What’s the big deal?”.  He honestly does not put up impressive numbers compared to his peers (like Gretzky could).  He does not score highlight reel goals.  He does not dominate a game and take over.  They don’t get it either.

Maybe the league should try promoting someone ELSE?

Posted by Primis on 11/21/11 at 09:57 AM ET

Pavel Datysuk and his progress in speaking the English language on NHL.com.

How’s Malkin’s mastery of English progressing?
I will say it’s a good thing for the game to have a premier player return, but this is just a “tad” over the top. If you call that whining or a Wings fan being anti-Crosby…. you’re a fool.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 on 11/21/11 at 10:01 AM ET

I was wondering how Marc Savard is doing?  I bet I’d find a ton of information on the NHL.com home page.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/21/11 at 10:07 AM ET

If Penguins fans spent their time reading all the articles about Crosby’s return instead of fighting people who think it’s a bit much, we wouldn’t have an issue.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 10:11 AM ET

Paul, I am as big a Crosby fan as you’ll find, but I do agree that 11 posts about him on the front page is overkill; however, I’m surprised to see you create a whole post about it considering it could only lead to bickering, which you tend to avoid and discourage.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 10:13 AM ET

Wangs fans are the most pompous fans in all of sports, can’t even enjoy the greatest sport on earth without getting in a tiffy about their favorite team going on a short cold streak.

“This, a million times this.  Nonfans and casual sports fans routinely look at him and say “What’s the big deal?”.  He honestly does not put up impressive numbers compared to his peers (like Gretzky could).  He does not score highlight reel goals.  He DOES NOT DOMINATE A GAME AND TAKE OVER.”

25 game streaks aren’t nothing compared to the 5 season streak zetterberg and his buddy Lidstrom put up together, right?

best hockey player on earth.  not sure how anyone can really argue that.

not even sure how people complain crosby is cry-sby.  24/7 HBO you see him get not only hooked, but slashed across the face (i.e. helmet) by Green’s stick on a breakaway, no penalty.  would you complain about that non-call if you were in that position, devoting your life to the game you love so deeply? don’t fool yourself and fight the urge to disagree.

go on and sulk in your team’s glory, 11 years and 4 cups, bluh bluh bluh, just can’t accept your team won’t win a cup in at LEAST 15 years.  how bout them sharks and the playoffs?  HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Posted by bob errey on 11/21/11 at 10:24 AM ET

When did you start deleting so many comments?

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 10:25 AM ET

Don’t even think about watching NHL on the Fly if you want to keep your breakfast down.  We’re flashing babk to His greatest moments and the Pens have just been annointed the best team in the NHL as a result of the Second Coming.  And then the quote “The NHL will get it’s superstar back on the ice Monday night…The biggest star in the NHL…”.

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

Posted by Krononymous on 11/21/11 at 10:31 AM ET

When did you start deleting so many comments?

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 09:25 AM ET

What are you talking about, not one comment has been deleted.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 10:34 AM ET

Paul, I am as big a Crosby fan as you’ll find, but I do agree that 11 posts about him on the front page is overkill; however, I’m surprised to see you create a whole post about it considering it could only lead to bickering, which you tend to avoid and discourage.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 09:13 AM ET

This really should not turn into a Detroit/Pittsburgh thing, it was not my intention.

All I want is for the NHL to understand there is more than one marketable player in the NHL.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 10:39 AM ET

You don’t have to be a Wings fan to gag at the thought of Crosby. And to all those comments about his personality, they are right on. He is completely unlikable!

Posted by timbits on 11/21/11 at 10:43 AM ET

He does not score highlight reel goals.  He does not dominate a game and take over.

Primis, you have got to be kidding.  Type in his name on YouTube and I guarantee you will be refuted 100x over.  Yes, the NHL is going overkill with all of the hype, but there is no denying that he is, at the very least, a top 5 player in the game.  You guys are far too sensitive about it.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 11/21/11 at 10:54 AM ET

If I was a Detroit fan I would know enough to stay off most major hockey sites/NHL Network today as there is only one thing they will be covering.  Once the game happens and tomorrow comes around it will be back to business as usual. 

But when it comes to Sid logic just can’t come into play for a Red Wings fan.

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 10:55 AM ET

I’d be a lot less disgusted with the Crosby crap if he had actually done something to distinguish himself above the rest of the leagues all-stars.  But what really pisses me off about Crosby is that he was anointed the second coming of Wayne Gretzky before he even played a game. 

Sid is an outstanding player.  I make no bones about that.  I might hate his persona, but his production on the ice is undeniable.  However, what has Crosby done to distinguish himself from the leagues other all-stars, so much that he deserves 80% of the limelight over all the other players?  Kane and Toews/Datsyuk and Zetterberg have Stanley Cups too.  How about the Sedins and Ryan Kesler?  St. Louis and Stamkos?  Those are all great players as well, but they had might as well not exist if you watch the NHL’s national media.  This is what 90% of non-Pittsburgh hockey fans hate about Crosby, it has little to do with the ‘09 Cup, but keep on telling yourself that anyway.

To the Pens fans on this thread:  Why so defensive?  Anytime someone beefs over Sid you guys get all sensitive and upset… Anyway, you can rip Wings fans all you want, and I’ll go as far to say that some of the things you say about us are true.  But going on my count the most immature comments are coming from your end, so let me say thanks for having enough respect to have a serious conversation about it.  Introspection is the better part of observation…. have that near sightedness check out guys.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 10:58 AM ET

This really should not turn into a Detroit/Pittsburgh thing, it was not my intention.

~ Says the cute blond girl in the corner, as she smiles and plays with her hair.

Paul, you stir the pot.  Playing coy, only makes it worse.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 11:09 AM ET

Paul, you stir the pot.  Playing coy, only makes it worse.

Did Paul mention the Wings?

Posted by Herm from the office on 11/21/11 at 11:12 AM ET

Paul, you stir the pot. Playing coy, only makes it worse.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 10:09 AM ET

If I wanted to stir the pot, I would have posted this blog while the Wings were playing and many Wings fans were commenting in an A2Y blog.

I waited on purpose for the game to complete and then even waited some more, just to make sure the Detroit fans were no longer hanging around.

When someone assumes I did something that I have not intention of doing, i will defend my stance.

You are wrong, now just move on.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 11:19 AM ET

I hope Matt Cooke inadvertently knocks Crosby out tonight.

At least it will make NBC’s league mandated Crosby intermission reports more interesting on Friday.

Because we all know that, regardless of the teams that are actually playing the game that day, all that NBC will be talking about will be Crosby.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/21/11 at 11:24 AM ET

When someone assumes I did something that I have not intention of doing, i will defend my stance

Perhaps your intention is to insult the intelligence of your readers by suggesting you have no disdain for the penguins or Crosby.  How many personal opinion threads have you posted this week?

Better yet, perhaps your intention is have have KK dedicated to only wing fans?

From this side of things, your intention is not so fuzzy.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 11:28 AM ET

Better yet, perhaps your intention is have have KK dedicated to only wing fans?

Again, when did Paul mention the Red Wings?

Posted by Herm from the office on 11/21/11 at 11:31 AM ET

You know what’s at least as big a discussion point as Crosby’s return (which Penguins fans don’t really seem to want to discuss very much at all)?

The media coverage of Crosby’s return.

Crosby-watch has been a story since he missed game number one and it’s still a story.  This isn’t about him, it’s a discussion about the concept of how much coverage any one player deserves and how both the league and the media choose to carry on with it.

This story isn’t about Crosby’s return. If you want that, then Paul already put up that story.

So let’s try discussing this rationally, Penguins fans.  NHL.com is league-controlled.  What benefit is there of having two different Crosby-is-back stories on their main rotating page?

Does it bother you that his return has been so hyped?  Are you concerned that the huge amount of media attention is going to create undue pressure on Crosby or paint a target on him?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 11:32 AM ET

Better yet, perhaps your intention is have have KK dedicated to only wing fans?

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 10:28 AM ET

Yup.  That’s why he welcomed a bunch of bloggers over this past summer that write about teams that are not the Wings.

Like Paul said.  “You are wrong, now just move on.”

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/21/11 at 11:32 AM ET

I understand non-Pens fans frustrations on this, really do.

But it’s comments like “I guess we should allow Sid to have his day” that continue to irritate me.

Once again, it’s perceived as if Crosby, or even the Penguins are doing some sort of self-promotion towards his return.

When in reality, both Sid and the Penguins have done nothing but suppress any speculation as his return got closer.

Personally, I’ll be happy when tonight is out of the way and the Pens start their march towards another Cup….

Posted by Va Beach Pens Fan on 11/21/11 at 11:32 AM ET

Once again, it’s perceived as if Crosby, or even the Penguins are doing some sort of self-promotion towards his return.

No, it isn’t. Did you read the post?

I can understand that but please NHL.com, do remember there are other players in the league who are having great seasons but not getting the proper attention.

Posted by Herm from the office on 11/21/11 at 11:34 AM ET

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 11/21/11 at 10:28 AM ET

Only Penguin fans have gotten offended by Paul posting that he wished the NHL would remember that they have 29 other teams to promote.  Maybe because the fans of the 29 other teams AGREE with him?  Perhaps you should take a step back and try to look at it objectively.  Paul did not, in any of his posts in this thread, make any disparaging remarks about Crosby, or say that the Red Wings specifically are being treated unfairly, and yet you and several other Pen fans have attacked Red Wing fans and Paul.  I think that speaks volumes about you, and them.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 11:39 AM ET

Here’s what I feel the top 5 NHL.COM’s headlines should be in order of importance:

- J. Franzen Can He Be Stopped?  Tied for 13 in the league in scoring
- Detroit Tearing Through the League, Winners of Two Straight
- Best Coach in the League, Babcock Explains How to Conduct Douche-Chill Inducing Interviews on a Regular Basis
- 2008 Stanley Cup Champs Discuss Their 2008 Summers With The Cup
- Sidney Crosby Returns to Action After 10 Month Injury

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 11:43 AM ET

So let’s try discussing this rationally, Penguins fans.

Like that’s going to happen.

Case in point.

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 10:43 AM ET

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/21/11 at 11:46 AM ET

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 10:43 AM ET

You’re ridiculous.  Please re-read Paul’s original post.  Where does it talk about Detroit?

My biggest complaint about that screen cap was that it completely ignored one of the 4 games played yesterday.  I think that not reporting on GAMES PLAYED THAT DAY is irresponsible.  Oh, and the game ignored?  Not Detroit’s.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 11:51 AM ET

Devil’s advocate time on the screen shot issue:

This post was up at 11:37 EST last night.  The Ottawa/Vancouver game ended at 11:39.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 11:57 AM ET

I don’t have a time stamp, but I know it was still up in the early morning hours (I couldn’t sleep, and I checked NHL.com sometime around 2 am, I think).  I don’t think the Vancouver/Ottawa game ever got in it’s rotating headlines.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 12:00 PM ET

Haha. It’s in there now, but there are now three of five Crosby stories in the rotation instead of 2.

I guess that balances out?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 12:01 PM ET

Posted by tbassett on 11/21/11 at 10:43 AM ET

How about “Pens fans cry because not everyone wants every single sports story in the world to be about Crosby coming back”?

Or maybe “Not everyone wants to only read about Sidney Crosby, therefore Detroit fans are jerks”?

Posted by Garth on 11/21/11 at 12:04 PM ET

As a non-Red Wings fan, anti-Penguins fan, Paul Kukla fan, hockey fan, and NHL season ticket holder, this thread amuses me greatly.  I can say for sure that I’m glad I’ll be watching other hockey at the 7PM hour.

Side note… Forlorn in VA, how dare you bring logic and reason into this emotional argument?

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 11/21/11 at 12:05 PM ET

Posted by Garth on 11/21/11 at 11:04 AM ET

Bingo.

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 11/21/11 at 12:07 PM ET

How can Crosby be good for Hockey / NHL??? He can only be good for the Pens. get over yourself..I think Henke Lundqvist would be a much better poster boy for the NHL..Hockey Did do just fine without Crosby so NHL dont need him..But I’m glad he’s back to help pens and free from concussion.

Cheers

Posted by Gary Bettman SUCK from Fort Myers, Florida on 11/21/11 at 12:08 PM ET

Crosby does very, very little to ignite interest in the mediocre and non-fan. His whiny personality no doubt is a big reason.

Posted by Red Winger from work on 11/21/11 at 08:35 AM ET

Yeah.  Who in the world wants to watch the best hockey player in the world play hockey?

Albert Pujols at the plate doesn’t interest me at all, either.  Neither does Aaron Rodgers under center.  All of those things are so “meh.”

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/21/11 at 12:13 PM ET

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 11:01 AM ET

Actually, now that I think about it, I believe it was still up when I posted at 6:51 this morning…because I wanted to make sure I got the two titles correct.  I guess it evens out, god forbid they talk about the 6 other games (note to tbassett, Detroit isn’t one of them) tonight.

Like I posted in the other thread, I’ll be watching Boston/Montreal, and thank you Versus for dropping that game, because the fewer Versus broadcasts I am forced to watch, the better.

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 11/21/11 at 11:05 AM ET

I’m sorry, I’ll try not to do it again.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 12:13 PM ET

I’m a Sharks fan near San Jose and the Sid slurping is a typical move by Buttman and his cronnies. Move on NHL, there’s more players in the League besides this nut punching pansy.

Posted by Fugazi from Bay Area, Left Coast on 11/21/11 at 12:27 PM ET

For the record I am not a Pens fan, in fact I cannot stand them.

The ignorance of many of the comments on here is laughable.

My point was simply that the NHL knows what its fan base (and I mean world wide fan base) wants.  Everyone has been waiting for this - so it would be quite foolish of them not to push it to the max.  To expect anything different from the league would be… a using a very narrow view.

And yes, Crosby returning IS bigger news that the games that were played yesterday… in the big picture.  My team played, I watched, I cursed, I moved on.  So the 11+ stories did not impair me from getting the info I wanted.  And to be honest, anyone who goes to NHL.com to get the best NHL team coverage is out to lunch.  It is good for scores, standings and some of the HOT TOPICS of the day but the real stories that matter - the ones about your team come from local media.  Remember the NHL decided a few years back to market their players over their teams.  I didn’t like the idea then, still don’t.  But that is what they are doing, so to see 11+ player specific stories on NHL.com is to be expected…  isn’t it?  Not saying it is right… but hey, it’s their stove.

On a side not,  I am not sure I understand all the comments about Crosby’s persona?  Can someone explain (that is a sincere request).

Posted by WingMan from The Q C on 11/21/11 at 12:34 PM ET

And yes, Crosby returning IS bigger news that the games that were played yesterday…

Yes, but this is not the point.  I don’t think you’ll find ANYONE who is saying Crosby’s return shouldn’t the the top story because it obviously is.  But why why was it the only story?

I’d be curious how many of the eleven stories had different information from the others.

Posted by Garth on 11/21/11 at 12:43 PM ET

The ignorance of many of the comments on here is laughable.

...

I am not sure I understand all the comments about Crosby’s persona?  Can someone explain (that is a sincere request).

You sure you want to have something explained to you by all these ignoramuses?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 12:45 PM ET

@Va Beach Pens Fan Tony I am with you There! Is it overload on Sid Most Likely But do the Wings Fans & other Particular teams Have Penis Envy over Sid & The Pens YEP!

Why the *#$%@& do Wings Fans Get soooooooooo Butthurt, They have a Great Team That I as a Pens Fan respect & Fear !! They are a GREAT Organization top to bottom ! I HATE Them But greatly respect them Why can’t Wings Fan, Caps Fans & Flyers Fans all do the same ?

The BEST Player in Hockey is coming back after tons of rumors of Tumors on his Spine, MS Brought On By the Concussions & incompetence by the Pens Medical staff & Front Office for Letting him tell them he was fine after the 1st Hit, Playing him up 7-0 on TB where He clearly was NOT Sid &  Got another concussion & then allowed him to fly to Montreal, ANOTHER huge No- No when dealing with concussion/s

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 12:56 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 11:56 AM ET

And we ALL understand this (if we can get past your almost complete incoherence), yet you still don’t understand the point.  It has nothing to do with the Wings (weird that Pens fans always cry about Wings fans making everything about the Wings, yet it’s all been Pens fans bringing up the Wings in this thread), it has to do with the fact that there were E-F*CKING-LEVEN articles about it.  Eleven.  There is nowhere near enough information about his return to justify ELEVEN articles.

ELEVEN.

Here’s what we know now that we didn’t know on Friday.

Sid is going to play on Monday.

THAT IS IT!!!  That’s enough for one article.  One article that (rightfully) should be the top story on probably any hockey site. But one article.  There is no reason on earth for there to be ELEVEN articles about the SAME THING on the SAME SITE.

Posted by Garth on 11/21/11 at 01:10 PM ET

Oh Paul, just let him have his day.  You have had your Cros-cation.  If he comes back and plays a dozen games sub-par and he is still getting this kind of attention, then let’em know about focusing on other players. Not saying you are a whiner but it does seem funny that those who call Crosby whiners are often caught whining about him all across the internet.

Posted by Jim from wisconsin on 11/21/11 at 01:12 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 11:56 AM ET

Maybe post in english next time?  Thanks.

————-

I’m normally not the type to say this, because I think in most instances it is a stupid remark, but this time its apropos.  If you don’t like Kuklas Korner, or feel that it is unfair to the Pens or Sid, go to PensBlog, that way you’ll never have to have your bubble burst again.  If you want to have a mature discussion about whether or not Crosby is over promoted, please stay.  Its pretty shameful that on the rare occasional Paul expresses an opinion people choose to insult him rather than engage in the discussion.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 01:20 PM ET

Posted by Jim from wisconsin on 11/21/11 at 12:12 PM ET

Yet another person who did not read Paul’s post?

Paul never called Crosby a whiner.

Paul didn’t whine about Crosby.

Paul called out NHL.com for posting 11 articles about Crosby on their front page, and ignoring other players/teams.

Why is this so difficult to understand?  1 or 2 stories are completely understandable.  3 or four stories would be questionable, but forgivable. Crosby returning SHOULD be the TOP story.  It should NOT be the ONLY story.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 01:24 PM ET

bezukov & Garth You are Both *#$%@& & can’t get past your Red Wang Blindness, The NHl would Push Datsyuk if you could understand him when he talked, Zetterberg is as exciting in interviews as Dishwater, & the NHL doesn’t want to push OV because he might be found one day Passed out drunk in front of the WH

Way to not answer the question though, Because you know you have NO Answer, Back to the short Bus for you ! Go win those Gold Medals

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 01:27 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 12:27 PM ET

Personal attacks and ridiculing people with disabilities are just the way to prove your point! - excerpt from the internet trolling 101 textbook “Pwned!”

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 01:37 PM ET

bezukov & Garth You are Both *#$%@& & can’t get past your Red Wang Blindness, The NHl would Push Datsyuk if you could understand him when he talked, Zetterberg is as exciting in interviews as Dishwater, & the NHL doesn’t want to push OV because he might be found one day Passed out drunk in front of the WH

Way to not answer the question though, Because you know you have NO Answer, Back to the short Bus for you ! Go win those Gold Medals

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 12:27 PM ET

I didn’t answer your question because it is irrelevant to the discussion.  People keep on trying to make this discussion about Pitt/Det.  That isn’t what we are talking about in this thread. 

Moreover, its remarkable how I can write an objective remark (I think most people here will back me up on that), or at the very least admit when I’m being biased, and all you can manage to respond with is insults.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 01:45 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 12:27 PM ET

I say this with utmost respect to the mentally challenged but you are just fuching retarded.  How many more people have to explain to you that this isn’t about the Wings OR the Pen(i)s?

This is about the NHL and one of its main sources of information for fans of ALL teams devoting an irresponsible amount of resources to just one of 690 players.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/21/11 at 01:46 PM ET

I think it was Abe Lincoln, or perhaps Chewbacca who once said the only thing more difficult than arguing with a well-thought, articulate, and respectful person online is arguing on the same side as a blathering screamer who simply wants to hurl insults instead of furthering the discussion in a useful manner.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 01:52 PM ET

Ad hominem: learn what it means.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 01:59 PM ET

Red Wang Fans Learn what you Have

& for the Ad Hominem BS! You Confuse me with someone who Gives a Rats *#$%@& Ass what you think

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 02:08 PM ET

here’s a concept Girls ! DON"T READ NHL.com Today or Tomorrow if you get sand in your Vag about Sid Capice ?

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 02:09 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 01:09 PM ET

You can also compare them to genitalia or call them girls!  If their arguments are too difficult for you to understand, just tell them how little you care! - additional excerpt from the internet trolling 101 textbook “Pwned!”

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 02:18 PM ET

Nothing funnier than a bunch of people calling Wings fans insecure whiners being insecure whiners themselves.  Nothing in this post had anything to do with the Wings, none of the Wings fans mentioned anything about the Wings, yet Pens fans made it all about the Wings.  Too funny.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 11/21/11 at 02:22 PM ET

@evilpens

Grow up bro. Crosby might be the best player in the league but he’s not so skilled that he’s miles ahead of everyone else. Beyond that he doesn’t carry himself with any class.

His coming back is a big deal, but I think everyone who is able to look at it objectively are wondering why he’s the only NHL player the league wants to promote when there are numerous other greats playing these days.

As far as the “bitter Wings fans hate him because of 09” topic I’ll bring up Joe Sakic as an example. Colorado beat us and was a team that we hated but we still respected Joe for his skill and his class. Crosby only has one of those, so most of us shouldn’t be forced to respect him or be excited about him coming back.

Personally, and maybe I need to grow up too, but I hope he gets knocked out again. But I feel the same way about any goon who intentionally tries to injure opponents.

Posted by LGRWeh on 11/21/11 at 02:27 PM ET

from the NHL..

I wanted to make you aware of the following coverage plans for NHL Network and NHL.com:
NHL NETWORK:
•    Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero will be on NHL Live at 5:30 p.m.  NHL.com will also post the interview.
•    Dave Strader, who is calling the game on VERUS, will call into NHL Live
•    NHL Insider Bob McKenzie will call into NHL Live
•    NHL Network analysts and commentators Barry Melrose, Darren Dreger and Marc Crawford along with NHL.com Senior Writer Dan Rosen will be reporting live from Pittsburgh for NHL Live (5-7pm ET) and NHL On the Fly (7pm ET – end of last game).

Current NHL.COM coverage:
•      The wait is over: Crosby returns Monday
•      Sidney Crosby returns live blog: All-day coverage
•      NHL Network Analyst Barry Melrose discusses Crosby’s return
•      The fantasy spin for Crosby’s return
•      NHL.com correspondent Alan Robinson video hit Sunday night on On the Fly
Go to NHL.TV, choose the “Press Room” channel for the following videos:
•    The NHL Cisco Arena Cam streamed the Penguins morning skate live on NHL.com
•    Crosby media scrum stream, courtesy of the Pittsburgh Penguins

Stories/Features to come on NHL.COM:
•    Pre-game Crosby reaction story
•    Penguins teammates’ reaction story
•    Islanders react to being Sid’s first opponent
•    Photo gallery documenting Crosby’s first game back in photos
•    NHL.com videographer will be filing video reports both pre and post-game, including an iso-cam feature on Crosby’s first shift
•    Running blog of each Crosby shift
•    Game story
•    Post-game reaction story

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 02:32 PM ET

Its not like the NHL is the only league that does this. It wasn’t that long ago where you couldn’t get away from a Bret Farve story if you tried. I’m not even an NFL fan and I even got sick of it. All you hear about in the NBA is Lebron and Kobe while MLB has been forcing the Yankees and Redsox down our throats it seems like forever. Its the falicy of north american sports leagues. They pick one or two stars, throw their entire marketing machine behind them and hope for the best. IMO, its lazy marketing. Imagine GE concentrating on one or two products. I mean seriously, what fan out west really gives much more than a glancing care at how Crosby or AO are doing? As a Redwing fan, I’m glad Crosby is coming back and wish him well and thats about it. His impact, or lack there of, have very little day to day impact on my team or the teams in which they are battling with.

Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 11/21/11 at 02:34 PM ET

Forlorn in VA Yep Nothing like using PWNED to make your argument, That really put yourself in the Lead there Beavis, What cool Kid word is Next? EPIC

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 02:45 PM ET

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 01:32 PM ET

Holy crap…  At least the Wings dont play tonight, so I dont need to bother wasting my time on NHL.com (I get live games from Center Ice)

P.S.: Pens cry on this topic is pathetic, but hey, they do adore Crysby… Not sure why I didnt see all the nerdrage and cry coming from miles away

And just to coment on LGRWeh, I might actually respect more Claude Lemieux over Crosby, if I ever bother to compare those 2, ever…

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 11/21/11 at 02:48 PM ET

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/11 at 01:32 PM ET

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 02:49 PM ET

Evilpens go read all the available new exciting info on your hero, and stop wasting our time

Shoo, troll, shooo

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 11/21/11 at 02:50 PM ET

 Dave Strader, who is calling the game on VERSUS, will call into NHL Live

And what is really annoying about this is that the originally scheduled game on Versus was Boston at Montreal.  A game I’d rather see and at this point, I don’t see an alternate channel via Center Ice.  So we dump this rivalry for the splendor that is the Islanders versus the Penguins!  Classy move.

Posted by Krononymous on 11/21/11 at 02:59 PM ET

Posted by Krononymous on 11/21/11 at 01:59 PM ET

My thought precisely.  I was looking forward to that game.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 03:04 PM ET

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 01:45 PM ET

Yes, I’m guilty of playing Beavis to your Butthead. 

Clearly you did not understand my point.  I’m sure everyone else did, however.  The fact that you, of all people, are trying to lecture me about how to phrase my arguments is laughable. 

Look, here’s the Evilpens blueprint for a post here:

<RANDOMLY Capitalized nonsense that Has NO Bearing On discussion>
<Offensive name calling, bonus points if you can incorporate misogynistic terms or ridiculing those with disabilities>
<Attack one minor point in someones post to make yourself feel smarter>

It’s clear that the only reason you post here is to troll.  Why don’t you go back to Pensblog?

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 03:11 PM ET

Forlorn in VA hahaha The Infantile morons at Pensblog have gotten under your skin, Hmmmm that is all I need to know about your incredibly small world & Brain

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 04:19 PM ET

Well it’s pretty easy to see EvilPens is your typical Pens fan. Insulting, childish and a bonafied troll. How non shocking.

Posted by Realmk from Boston on 11/21/11 at 04:23 PM ET

The Infantile moron
Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 03:19 PM ET

Posted by NathanBC on 11/21/11 at 04:26 PM ET

OH Boy those REALLY Hurt Girls !! Now I might have to go to nhl.com & cry about

By the way you actually read the crap on nhl.com? the wondrous site that has Barry Melrose on it? Alan Robinson reports for it from Pgh. about the Pens & was the AP Pgh. reporter & was on local shows on Sunday Night discussing the Pgh. Sports world including Pens & was Absolutely Clueless about the Pens & the NHL, So of course the geniuses at the NHL hired him. That site & those people are the things you are butthurt about ?? hahaha Good Lord !  goodbye ! hahahaha

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 04:45 PM ET

Wow….this has been a painful read. I feel like I am listening to one of the Presidential debates. Everyone wants to talk, no one wants to listen. Total disconnect.

Truth is that I am a Pens fan. I know there is Sid overkill. It will eventually pass, and guess what? We will survive it and live to all see and hear about our favorite teams.

What really got this stream of comments out of control was comments from Wings fans not just arguing about how overdone the coverage is (we ALL get that) but posting the same moronic comments about him, using the same childish slurs and making this an anti-Sid thing. That gets the Pens fans riled up, and they resort to the same childishness that they usually do when the Wings fans get up their ire.

And Paul, come on….posting about the overkill on a Wing-slanted website? That’s not going to cause a stir, is it?

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 11/21/11 at 05:00 PM ET

The Infantile moron
Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 03:19 PM ET

Posted by NathanBC on 11/21/11 at 03:26 PM ET

Yeah my internal jury was out initially, but over the past couple weeks he has left no doubt in my mind about the value of his opinions.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 11/21/11 at 05:16 PM ET

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 11/21/11 at 04:00 PM ET

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 05:17 PM ET

What the heck?  My internet connection blinked, and my comment got lost.  Weird.

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 11/21/11 at 04:00 PM ET

I find it interesting that you said there is a total disconnect, then continue the disconnect by blaming Red Wing fans for the Pens fans getting riled up.  The fact is, tbassett and Evilpens started their anti Red Wings rhetoric before most Red Wing fans here read what Paul posted.  One person posted something slightly derogatory towards Crosby, and that excuses everything posted by Pens fans, is that it?

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 05:28 PM ET

Not a fan of the childishness from some Pens fans (just trying to keep up with the Wings fans I guess), but what’s this about Pens fans trolling? Last time I checked this site was not dedicated to any particular team, and this particular post didn’t even mention the Wings.

Or maybe that’s the point. The Wings are the playground bully, and the rest of us are just using up your space. Real mature.

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 11/21/11 at 05:30 PM ET

Forlorn in VA…....you aren’t reading are you? You didn’t see that I mentioned the childishness of the Pens fans too? You sounds like a politician, spinning things to fit your needs. One person posted something “slightly derogatory” about Crosby? It’s all in “your” perception, isn’t it?

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 11/21/11 at 05:34 PM ET

So, anybody know if there is a hockey game on tonight?????

Not a fan of gary’s golden child by any means, and wish no ill health on the lad, but will be interested to see how big the “no fly zone” will be around him tonight and in future games???

I would be willing to bet the islanders will go out of the way to NOT hit him tonight, but eventually he will be in a position to get hit pretty hard, and most likely the result will be similar to Lindros and Savard, and it will not be pretty.

Posted by Down River Dan on 11/21/11 at 06:23 PM ET

Yeah.  Who in the world wants to watch the best hockey player in the world play hockey?

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/21/11 at 11:13 AM ET

I would guess many people would like to watch that ...oh, wait ...you’re inferring Sid is the “best player in the world??”

Sorry, you’re wrong, and that’s part of the reason certain Pens fans act like spoiled children whenever someone refuses to worship at the altar of Sid, created primarily by Bettman and Co.

1) Sid Crosby is not the best hockey player in the world

2) Sid Crosby, while showing improvement, is still a relatively soft hockey player

3) Sid Crosby still lives in Mario’s basement

All the reasons, and more, are why certain Pens fans become apoplectic if the don’t think the entire world loves their captain (one of the worst captains in recent history)

He’ll be hurt again soon enough.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/21/11 at 06:32 PM ET

VAHockeyFan, my long comment earlier was eaten by my works weird, intermittent internet issues.  So in my haste to re-post the gist of it, I left a lot out, maybe that’s why you think I sound like a politician.

You said:

What really got this stream of comments out of control was comments from Wings fans not just arguing about how overdone the coverage is (we ALL get that) but posting the same moronic comments about him, using the same childish slurs and making this an anti-Sid thing. That gets the Pens fans riled up, and they resort to the same childishness that they usually do when the Wings fans get up their ire.

What I was referring to:

~The seventh comment in, yzer19man used the term “Thid”.  Up to that point, no one had said anything negative about Crosby or the Penguins, or their fans.

~The Ninth comment in was Evilpens starting his usual bs.

~The tenth was tbassett starting in with bashing the Red Wings fans.

Both of them posted several more times, not contributing to the discussion, but instead just bashing the Red Wing fan base here at Kuklas Korner.  Yes, some Red Wing fans responded to them with more negative comments regarding Crosby, however MOST did not.  So yes, I took exception to you implying that the cause of all of the brouhaha here was Red Wing fans inciting Pens fans, when it was a handful of Pens fans who continually post inflamatory crap who brought up the Red Wings and tried to turn it into a Detroit vs. Pittsburgh thing.

Then you turn around and say “Not a fan of the childishness from some Pens fans (just trying to keep up with the Wings fans I guess), but what’s this about Pens fans trolling?”

If you want to close your eyes to the fact that there are several KNOWN Pens trolls here, well, that’s your prerogative.  Just don’t expect other people to agree with you.  The result would have been the same if yzer19man had left out “Thid”, because the Evilpens and his ilk would have been offended anyway, since the thread was not gushing about how awesome Sidney Crosby is.  Furthermore, why should I take you seriously when your comment is full of passive aggressive attacks on Red Wing fans?

So I find it interesting that according to you Red Wing fans are at fault for inciting Pens fans…by one person using one word.  Then you call all the Red Wing fans bullies, and imply that we are immature.  I think you should go read Evilpens and tbassetts posts again, because if we are immature then they are infantile.

And if you think using the terms “Thid” or “Crysby” is remotely equal to the personal attacks employed by Evilpens and other trolls on this site, then I have no use for you.

Posted by Down River Dan on 11/21/11 at 05:23 PM ET

Several, actually.  I’ll be watching NESN :D

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/21/11 at 05:32 PM ET

I believe he has moved out of Mario’s basement.  He lives in the pool house now.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 06:35 PM ET

All is right with the world.  Like him or hate him, nothing but A2Y brings out more hits and comments for Paul than anything regarding Sidney Crosby.  LET’S GO PENS!

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/21/11 at 07:35 PM ET

oh man I do not care who started it.

Here’s the thing though; can we at least all agree to stop saying “wings fans” in response to one wings fan?

Because if you’re pulling that shit, then I’m just going to assume you’re ok with me taking one particular Penguins fan comments as that which speak for your entire fanbase.  Is that cool?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 07:41 PM ET

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/21/11 at 06:41 PM ET

Both sides do it JJ.  It’s old, but whatever.  It’s a shame because most people here put together intelligent thoughts and the hockey conservation you do get is top notch, but there’s a few here that just make it horrendous.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/21/11 at 07:49 PM ET

1) Sid Crosby is not the best hockey player in the world

Okay, okay…you got me.  Best player in the universe.  Galaxy, too.

Tell me who was better in those first 41 games last year?  I don’t really have the rest of my life to wait for your answerhe answer you’re looking for?  Nobody.  1.61 ppg.  32 goals in 41 games.  There were TONS of guys scoring at that clip last year, right?  Riiiiiiiiiiight.

2) Sid Crosby, while showing improvement, is still a relatively soft hockey player

Soft compared to…?  If you say Zetterberg, Datsyuk or Franzen I might pee myself laughing.  There’s even a chance I’ll die laughing.  Don’t do it to me.

Define “soft,” also.  “Best hockey player in the world” are the words you were probably looking to string together.

3) Sid Crosby still lives in Mario’s basement

Nope.  Might want to Google that, fella.  I mean, since you’re so well versed on all things Sidney Crosby, you should know he moved out of Mario’s house.  And that he’s the best hockey player in the world. 

Best. In. The. World.  Because, the last time he was on the ice…there was nobody better than he was.  Period.

This was fun.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/21/11 at 08:34 PM ET

Currently he is not the best player in the world. Last year was last year.

Posted by LiteWork on 11/21/11 at 09:46 PM ET

Well I’m Glad the Totally incompetent nhl.com made a big story out of Sid Coming Back instead of Red wangs win 2 in a row, has 1 Goal on a 1-3 & 2 assists & if not for a hell of a save by Nillsson he would have 2 goals & if not for a crossbar & Post he would Have 4 assists

Posted by Evilpens on 11/21/11 at 10:06 PM ET

If it wasnt for the post he wouldnt have gotten his 2nd goal. It goes both ways.

Posted by LiteWork on 11/21/11 at 10:25 PM ET

In honor of Verlander’s MVP award today, the Islanders went out and played a no-hitter.

Also, nice to see “the best player in the world” is still excelling at killing penalties by gulping down the gator-aide sitting on the bench.

The pens win and sid is back. All is right with the world. I feel so warm and fuzzy.

I’m so jealous of you pens fans. I’m gonna go on NHL.com right now and order me a #87 road and home sweater. 

Posted by Down River Dan on 11/21/11 at 10:47 PM ET

After reading this string I can honestly say I am glad I went to work and missed it in action.

BTW the d-bag had a 4 point night. What can you say….

Posted by timbits on 11/21/11 at 10:51 PM ET

BTW the d-bag had a 4 point night. What can you say….
Posted by timbits

Boston just won their 9th straight, 2nd shutout (1-0) in a row for Thomas.

Any bets on what we will be reading about all day Tuesday…?

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/21/11 at 11:06 PM ET

Currently he is not the best player in the world. Last year was last year.

Posted by LiteWork on 11/21/11 at 08:46 PM ET

I think he’s probably still the best player in the world.

Also, nice to see “the best player in the world” is still excelling at killing penalties by gulping down the gator-aide sitting on the bench.

You think if they needed him to kill penalties he couldn’t kill penalties?  Come on.  Staal, Adams, Cooke, Dupuis, Park…that’s what those guys are there for.  It’s not that he can’t do it…he just doesn’t have to.  Personally, I’d rather have a 50 goal scorer get the majority of his special teams ice time on the PP, too.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/21/11 at 11:09 PM ET

Any bets on what we will be reading about all day Tuesday…?

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/21/11 at 10:06 PM ET

The guy that didn’t play hockey for 320 days and scored 2 goals and 4 points in his first game back?

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 11/21/11 at 11:11 PM ET

Any bets on what we will be reading about all day Tuesday…?

I usually choose what I read.  So if I don’t want to read something, I won’t read it.  It’s a fairly simple concept.  With all the team blogs out there, I’m sure you will be able to read whatever your little heart desires.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/21/11 at 11:15 PM ET

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/21/11 at 10:06 PM ET

Tim Thomas was spectacular in net, that was a fun game to watch.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 11:21 PM ET

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 10:21 PM ET

Just plucked this off twitter for U.

dtolensky Daniel Tolensky
Bruins have outscored opposition 43-14 in November & have gone 9-0 to move into first place in NE. Their +26 goal diff leads league by 11.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/21/11 at 11:27 PM ET

HTT, they had a really poor start, but have torn it up this month.  It’s been nice watching them wake up.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 11:36 PM ET

Tim Thomas was spectacular in net, that was a fun game to watch.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/21/11 at 10:21 PM ET

No doubt.  That was a good game.  I would love to have Marchand and/or Suban in a Wings sweater.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 11/22/11 at 08:13 AM ET

You know you can hate Sid all you want, But all stupid people you underestimate people at your own peril

Posted by Evilpens on 11/22/11 at 09:19 AM ET