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Someone Want To Count The Crosschecks?
by Paul on 03/22/10 at 09:06 PM ET
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Crosby on Zetterberg tonight.
note 12:26am 3/23/10, I’ve replaced the video for one with better quality.
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Tags: Henrik+Zetterberg, Sidney+Crosby,
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Looks like four cross checks and two outright punches.
Crosby just can’t stand having to play against Zetterberg, it seems. I can’t say I blame him. Z just has Crosby’s number.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 09:14 PM ET
Head-to-Head since 2005-06 (Regular Season and Playoffs)
Zetterberg: 19 GP 9G 11A 20P +5
Crosby: 19 GP 5G 9A 14P -2
Posted by arice89 on 03/22/10 at 09:14 PM ET
Leading his team of douche bags by example. Way to go, Rosby.
I hope the Pens face the Flyers in the opening round of the playoffs. Let Rosby feel some Pronger lumber and elbows to the head. Karma is a bitch.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 03/22/10 at 09:16 PM ET
Was Crosby out of line? Yes. But I like his fire. The guy does not like to lose. Why don’t you attack Ovechkin? After all, I never see Crosby trying to intentionally hurt other players and push a woman to the ground.
And Rosby is seriously the best you guys can do? Did you come up with that sitting in the unemployment line one day?
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:20 PM ET
Did you come up with that sitting in the unemployment line one day?
Classy and creative. Good on you CS.
Posted by Aimee in Austin on 03/22/10 at 09:22 PM ET
I fell a little bad for Pens fans. I mean, that guy is the face of their team and that’s how he acts. -wince-.
It’s got to be more than a little embarrassing for them.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/22/10 at 09:22 PM ET
I like how some douche always gets personal. Talk shit about the game if you want, but leave real issues out of it… grow u.
Posted by arice89 on 03/22/10 at 09:25 PM ET
Yep. The same guy who rents out a charity suite for home games, visits hospitals, never turns down an autograph, and always strives to improve his shortcomings. And he’s only 22. Yep, I don’t want a clown like that leading my team.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:26 PM ET
Another fine example of Cindy’s incredulous behavior. This must make Buttman really proud.
On a bright side, this win (and Cindy/Penguin hatred) can really galvanize the Wings like Lemieux/Avalanche. I wanted to see Howard pound the Flower. GO WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Crow on 03/22/10 at 09:28 PM ET
Detroit fans talking about keeping it classy and mature. Rosby. Buttman loves the Pens. Bandwagon fans. Ha, hypocrisy at its finest.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:28 PM ET
wait, you don’t call what he pulled “intentionally (trying to) hurt other players?”
seriously?
Posted by ColdWar on 03/22/10 at 09:28 PM ET
CS—at least keep the shit talking about the game of hockey, not people’s paychecks. Again, grow up.
Posted by arice89 on 03/22/10 at 09:29 PM ET
Was Crosby out of line? Yes. But I like his fire.
too bad he only seems to have that “fire” after the final horn blows in a loss. where was that fire for the third period when they needed goals?
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 09:30 PM ET
Yeah, way to show fire…after the game is over. “I’m sending a message! For when we meet next season!”
Posted by Aphaea from Pennsylvania on 03/22/10 at 09:31 PM ET
CS, there’s a difference in the examples you are referring to and what we consistantly see on the ice. The charity suites, hospital visits, etc are all directed by PR departments and agents. The on-ice actions are pure Crosby.
Posted by Tuba Guy from Royal Oak, MI on 03/22/10 at 09:32 PM ET
Oh, and what athlete do you think enjoys losing? They all hate to lose. The pros are the ones that handle it with class.
Posted by Tuba Guy from Royal Oak, MI on 03/22/10 at 09:33 PM ET
I can’t say I blame him. Z just has Crosby’s number.
No doubt. It seems to be that way with some teams and players. On the other hand, Crosby seems to bring out the best in Z at the same time. Z definitley is under his skin.
Head-to-Head since 2005-06 (Regular Season and Playoffs)
Zetterberg: 19 GP 9G 11A 20P +5
Crosby: 19 GP 5G 9A 14P -2
Since 2005-06 indivdual stats
Zetterberg: GP:495 G:203 A: 262 PTS: 465 1 Stanley, 1 Conn Smyth
Playoffs: GP: 85 G:39 A:37 PTS:76
Crosby: GP:361 G:177 A: 308 PTS: 485 1 Stanley, 1 Hart, 1 Art Ross, 1 Pearson
Playoffs: GP:49 G:24 A:39 PTS:63
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 09:34 PM ET
It’s amazing how one person’s “fire” can be another’s douchey attitude. Especially funny considering the Pens fan had to bring Ovechkin into it. It’s all about perspective.
Crosby was absolutely out of line. We’re not talking about Ovechkin here because he didn’t even play tonight. Yeah, Crosby does some great things for the game and the surrounding community and he deserves credit for every piece of that he brings.
He also deserves the criticism he gets when he pulls shit like this. He’s still young and it’s pretty clear he passionately hates losing to Henrik Zetterberg. Is it a character flaw? I don’t know about that. What I do know is that delivering four cross checks and two punches isn’t the right thing to do.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 09:36 PM ET
CS, there’s a difference in the examples you are referring to and what we consistantly see on the ice.
Consistently? Name me one time this season besides today where Crosby lost his cool and acted foolishly. You must have Crosby confused with Ovechkin, by far a more classless player and human.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:36 PM ET
Man, I can’t believe I rooted for this dude during the Olympics…
Ah well, gotta love Jimmah for stepping to him right away when he was being a little bitch. Huge win for the Wings tonight, caught the last couple minutes, but the replay starts now on TSN2.
Posted by Jayo from Toronto on 03/22/10 at 09:39 PM ET
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 10:34 PM ET
Focus on the head-to-head, and you will see that the Wings and Zetterberg shut Rosby down brutally. Remember his tantrums in the SCFs?
By pulling out season stats, you are just confusing the original argument. The Wings aren’t on the ice when Rosby and the Pens are beating up on the inferior Eastern Conference.
There are only a couple of high-quality teams in the East, admittedly including the Pens. Washington is taking no prisoners, and NJ has had prison-sex with the Pens all season.
That is how the Pens perform when facing real competitors. And this is how Rosby performs when facing adversity.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 03/22/10 at 09:39 PM ET
And PS—I get as pissed with Ovie’s reckless play as the next guy, but he does it in the flow of the play between whistles, and during the game. Not as the whistle ends in a losing game.
I think Ovechkin deserves his suspensions and misconducts ... but there’s still something about the way he pulls his crap that’s far more, honourable and manly than this petulant crap.
/Wings fan yes, but don’t have a horse in the Crosby/Ovie debate, ‘cept that I’m Canadian, I suppose.
Posted by Jayo from Toronto on 03/22/10 at 09:42 PM ET
Rosby. So cute. What a lame nickname. Of course, I expect it from a fanbase whose collective IQ is surpassed by the number of fingers I have on one hand.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:42 PM ET
oh my lord. is anyone else wanting a finals rematch rematch more than anything else in the world?!!
Cindy, meet King James and his smelly palm…. bitch. i hope you two meet each other again in a best of 7. except next time hopefully Jimmy goes ahead and shoves that whiny face of yours through the end glass… your tears would lube it up real nice and it’ll just slip right through.
one of these times Z is really going to snap and knock Cindy the faux out. he frustrates him game in and game out with smothering defense and neither he nor Malkin can handle it and cheap shots after the game are the only way the pouty brats know how to respond… that’s not “fire” that’s “frustration”. mark of a true failure. sure he won the gold… but that’s just cause the U.S. didn’t have Jimmy Howard in goal. big mistake.
God I can’t wait for the playoffs.
Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 03/22/10 at 09:43 PM ET
Keep going CS, you’re making yourself look as childish as everyone’s favorite player.
Posted by arice89 on 03/22/10 at 09:43 PM ET
Still waiting…
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:39 PM ET
There was the offensive zone faceoff he missed earlier this season because he was busy jawing at the refs about a penalty he thought should have been called.
Yes, I know he actually had a point, but his team would have been better served with him heeding the ref’s warning about getting his ass to the faceoff circle.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 09:44 PM ET
it fits the description of one example from this season where Crosby lost his cool and acted foolishly that you asked for.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 09:47 PM ET
After all, I never see Crosby trying to intentionally hurt other players
So, cockpunching’s just a love tap then? Crosschecks to the head just show how much you care?
Crosby’s not as bad as all the crap we give him….but nights like this are why we give him so much crap.
Posted by Stevis on 03/22/10 at 09:47 PM ET
Not really, J.J. I’m talking about a moment where he snaps and does what he did tonight. Was he wrong tonight? Yes. But Detroit fans act like this is a common occurence, when in actuality, they are few and far between.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:51 PM ET
[quote. But Detroit fans act like this is a common occurence, when in actuality, they are few and far between.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:51 PM ET
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True. But interestingly enough…it nearly always happens against Detroit.
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 03/22/10 at 09:57 PM ET
There are only a couple of high-quality teams in the East, admittedly including the Pens. Washington is taking no prisoners, and NJ has had prison-sex with the Pens all season.
That is how the Pens perform when facing real competitors. And this is how Rosby performs when facing adversity.
Yeah Washington is nuts this year… and good God NJ is beyond raping them. Hoping they dont meet in the playoffs… But would like washington as that will be another great series…but for as saying this is how he plays while facing adversity is pretty retarded even for you VooX… Getting shut down at times by a great player doesnt mean he crumbles in adversity… He still got chances and still set up chances… the guy has faced adversity and rises too… did you not see the olympics just this past feb… all last year, and pretty much every year there is a target on him. And if this is the way they perform against real competitors, what happend to the Wings last Final?
The team as a whole is playing like junk lately… so the frustration accumulates and he took it out on the guy that frustrates him most… but if the Pens keep playing this way into the playoffs its a first round exit, though I think they can get back on track… hoping its a Det/Pit for the 3rd year in row.
But you can believe whatever you want to believe… Though Im pretty sure youd take him on your team anytime… pretty sure Stevie Y, Ken Holland and Babcock wouldnt mind having play for them…
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 09:58 PM ET
Zetterberg is an excellent player. He has always done well against Crosby. There’s a reason why Detroit is very good every year. It’s the same reason that the Penguins have been successful. When you have depth down the middle, it causes matchup problems. Detroit’s good enough to sacrifice Zetterberg’s offense to stop Crosby. And if he chips in offensively like he did tonight, it’s a bonus.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 09:59 PM ET
But Detroit fans act like this is a common occurence, when in actuality, they are few and far between.
for someone to be an NHL captain, they should know better. that’s the point. because of his high profile position in the league and in the game, people expect better of him.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 10:00 PM ET
Not really, J.J. I’m talking about a moment where he snaps and does what he did tonight. Was he wrong tonight? Yes. But Detroit fans act like this is a common occurence, when in actuality, they are few and far between.
As soon as Rosby donkey punches someone in the back of the head and then proceeds to punch them from behind in the balls, that is one time too many.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 03/22/10 at 10:00 PM ET
What’s with Detroiters’ obsession with Crosby?
Seems like there might be more to the incident too. Did Zetterberg do something prior to the Crosby crosscheck and punchfest? Seems likely. It’s like one of those police-beatdown video’s taken out of context. I don’t generally see Crosby acting like that. Never actually.
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 10:03 PM ET
From a Red Wings fan perspective, CS, they’re not really that few and far between. You’re right, he doesn’t do this very often in 200 games played, but he seems to do it with some regularity against the Red Wings, which is a large majority of the Crosby games that Wings fans see.
We remember this is the third time in less than 10 games played against the Wings that he’s lost his cool and either cross-checked or slashed someone out of frustration.
Is it fair? Not really. Kind of how it’s not fair to say that Ovechkin takes cheap runs at people all the time. 98% of the time, the kind of plays that Ovie does are of the hard-skating and clean-hitting variety. Unfortunately, he’s always going to cross that line too often for his detractors. Ovie’s still a kid too who got caught at one of his worst possible moments doing something he most assuredly regrets (in the cameragirl pushing incident, of course). Unfortunately for Ovie, he doesn’t seem to have been groomed in the North American PR machine.
I’m not saying that Crosby isn’t a classier guy than Ovie, because I don’t believe that’s the case, all I know is that it’s as fair to criticize him as it is to defend him.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 10:03 PM ET
Arice, I don’t care what you think.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:44 PM ET
Rosby. So cute. What a lame nickname. Of course, I expect it from a fanbase whose collective IQ is surpassed by the number of fingers I have on one hand.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:42 PM ET
Yep.. we got to him…
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 10:04 PM ET
As soon as Rosby donkey punches someone in the back of the head and then proceeds to punch them from behind in the balls, that is one time too many.
And I’m sure not one of Detroit’s players has ever done anything similar ever. Crosby’s not perfect. Even Mario snapped a number of times in his career. Every player has moments when they lose it, no matter if it’s Marty McSorley or Sidney Crosby, He’s human, Voox.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:04 PM ET
Seems like there might be more to the incident too. Did Zetterberg do something prior to the Crosby crosscheck and punchfest? Seems likely.
yeah, he scored two goals and had an assist in a 3-1 win, while Crosby did squat and was a -2.
if you’re talking about something physical, why don’t you watch it? Z didn’t do anything to him.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 10:06 PM ET
And Rosby is seriously the best you guys can do?
Did you come up with that sitting in the unemployment line one day?
Hmmmm, pot? Kettle?
At least ‘Rosby’ is creative…
Posted by Garth on 03/22/10 at 10:09 PM ET
And I’m sure not one of Detroit’s players has ever done anything similar ever. Crosby’s not perfect. Even Mario snapped a number of times in his career. Every player has moments when they lose it, no matter if it’s Marty McSorley or Sidney Crosby, He’s human, Voox.
I’m sorry, but no Red Wings player while a Wing, in any game I’ve seen, has ever donkey punched a player nor punched him in the balls from behind. It is the reason I hate Bertuzzi (donkey punch) and it is the moment I lost all respect for Rosby (donkey punch and ball punches).
It has to go down as one of the most cowardly acts I’ve ever seen a player commit. And all the while the player was involved with a fight with another player and was defenseless to the cheap shots Rosby was throwing.
If you can provide ANY example of a Red Wing player hitting someone in the balls or donkey punching them in the back of the head, while on the Wings, please post it. Although I doubt you will ever find any such incident.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 03/22/10 at 10:11 PM ET
Rosby, just think about Pen(i)s fans, its short for Rosemarys Baby…
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 10:12 PM ET
if you’re talking about something physical, why don’t you watch it? Z didn’t do anything to him.
Watch the whole game? Or watch the clip provided? Because the clip provided starts at the Cross-by checks - does not show the context.
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 10:13 PM ET
Voox, you are such a joke. Hold onto that one incident. There is no hope for you.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:14 PM ET
Mr. Howe was pretty famous for his elbows to the back of a head…
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 10:15 PM ET
if you’re talking about something physical, why don’t you watch it? Z didn’t do anything to him.
Watch the whole game? Or watch the clip provided? Because the clip provided starts at the Cross-by checks - does not show the context.
actually if you watch as the puck goes the other way up the ice, you can clearly see that Crosby went after Zetterberg.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 10:16 PM ET
Watch the whole game? Or watch the clip provided? Because the clip provided starts at the Cross-by checks - does not show the context.
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 11:13 PM ET
I watched the whole game and the context is that Zetterberg had two goals and an assist and was pretty dominant all night. I didn’t see an incident in which Zetterberg incites Crosby to start attacking him.
Of course, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, but I don’t find it quite so hard to believe that Crosby would vent some frustration on Zetterberg following a pretty disappointing showing by his entire team. I don’t know, maybe Zetterberg called him a mean name or perhaps Z did slash Crosby across the calves earlier on. The bottom line is that there is a chain of evidence suggesting that Crosby is prone to succumbing to frustration in games that are either lost or are out of hand while there is nothing supporting a theory that Zetterberg is out there slyly earning physical assaults.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 10:19 PM ET
Voox, you are such a joke. Hold onto that one incident. There is no hope for you.
Jesus, dude, what is it? You ask for examples, then dismiss them out of hand, change the parameters or say Wings fans are “holding on” to incidents.
Make up your mind or stop with the circular argument. Or just accept that your golden girl isn’t a saint.
Posted by Garth on 03/22/10 at 10:20 PM ET
Mr. Howe was pretty famous for his elbows to the back of a head…
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 11:15 PM ET
Hey thats not fair the Penguins weren’t even a franchise yet… 
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 10:21 PM ET
Mr. Howe was pretty famous for his elbows to the back of a head…
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 11:15 PM ET
Hey thats not fair the Penguins weren’t even a franchise yet…
Posted by pgoody from #8 spot in the West on 03/22/10 at 11:21 PM ET
Print it, tag it, sold. That, my friend is a win.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 10:24 PM ET
Has anyone ever heard an explanation as to why the draft lottery was held behind closed doors the year that little gary’s love child was drafted? It seems highly suspect… a team that is about to fail magically gets the first pick… Is that the new NHL?
Posted by Jerrod on 03/22/10 at 10:24 PM ET
`` `Crosby’s not as bad as all the crap we give him….but nights like this are why we give him so much crap.
Posted by Stevis on 03/22/10 at 10:47 PM ET
That`s the first comment with any substance tonight.
First period I observed Zetterberg on Crosby at every moment giving him cross-checks and slashes on his arms at every chance while away from the puck (I stopped looking for it due to other game conditions), then later in the game a puck was wrung around the boards in the Red Wings` end and Crosby let it go past him at the hashmarks, then he was leveled by Zetterberg interference-like and late-like. The puck went back to Gonchar who bobbled it and soon took a penalty.
Posted by Nathan from BC on 03/22/10 at 10:26 PM ET
First period I observed Zetterberg on Crosby at every moment giving him cross-checks and slashes on his arms at every chance while away from the puck (I stopped looking for it due to other game conditions), then later in the game a puck was wrung around the boards in the Red Wings` end and Crosby let it go past him at the hashmarks, then he was leveled by Zetterberg interference-like and late-like. The puck went back to Gonchar who bobbled it and soon took a penalty.
Posted by Nathan from BC on 03/22/10 at 11:26 PM ET
Thats the why hockey goes…
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 10:31 PM ET
Hey thats not fair the Penguins weren’t even a franchise yet…
Ha…Thats good… but the man did play til he was like 80… its not like he holstered those elbows when the Pens did come into the league.
Posted by samsaidhey on 03/22/10 at 10:32 PM ET
`Thats the why hockey goes…
Posted by pgoody from #8 spot in the West on 03/22/10 at 11:31 PM ET
Two(!) sensible comments tonight!
Posted by Nathan from BC on 03/22/10 at 10:35 PM ET
Crosby just can’t stand having to play against Zetterberg, it seems. I can’t say I blame him. Z just has Crosby’s number.
Exactly. Frustration boiled over, from what I can tell. But, there really wasn’t an angle or view of what happened before it, so who knows what actually incited it. From what I’ve seen, though…it was definitely frustration.
There was the offensive zone faceoff he missed earlier this season because he was busy jawing at the refs about a penalty he thought should have been called.
If we’re thinking about the same incident, this is untrue. They showed replays afterwards where he was speaking to one of his defensemen (Letang or Eaton, if I remember correctly), not jawing at the refs as everyone automatically concludes. If I remember it right, anyways.
CS, there’s a difference in the examples you are referring to and what we consistantly see on the ice. The charity suites, hospital visits, etc are all directed by PR departments and agents. The on-ice actions are pure Crosby.
Okay, you’re right - totally different things. But do you see what you did there? I mean, if you’re going to criticize the kid’s every single move on the ice, don’t go out of your way discredit the time and effort he puts into what he does off of it.
Rosby. So cute. What a lame nickname. Of course, I expect it from a fanbase whose collective IQ is surpassed by the number of fingers I have on one hand.
Come on…don’t take it so seriously. Rosby because he doesn’t deserve the “C”? Extremely clever. Way better than the rest of the nicknames he’s been given by blog commenters.
What I can’t understand is…why the “Crosby Sucks” chants? Someone needed to tell the fans there that the LAST thing they want to do is be a Flyers copycat. I mean…those two organizations are the yin and yang of class in the NHL (you can throw Washington into that “yang” boat, too) - no need to go there. Too good of a team…too storied of a franchise.
Then again, if there was a fanbase to do it, at least the Wings have reason to. Zetterberg is extremely effective playing against him.
Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 03/22/10 at 10:50 PM ET
The best part was the kid in the front row yelling at #87 at the 0:20 mark! That kid is a Wings fan for life now. Way to be a role model, Sid.
Posted by drimo from Cincinnati, OH on 03/22/10 at 10:50 PM ET
What’s with Detroiters’ obsession with Crosby?
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 11:03 PM ET
A lot like Pens fans obsession with Ovechkin - it’s called “being rivals”
Posted by mc keeper on 03/22/10 at 10:51 PM ET
Exactly. Frustration boiled over, from what I can tell. But, there really wasn’t an angle or view of what happened before it, so who knows what actually incited it. From what I’ve seen, though…it was definitely frustration.
Nice try. That was the excuse last year for Malkin’s non-suspension.
Posted by drimo from Cincinnati, OH on 03/22/10 at 10:52 PM ET
this post by paul pretty much ends it for me. i cant read this website or paul’s B.S. or these stupid lousy blogs or these stupid freaking comments anymore. this site used to be a decent resource now its just pandering garbage not far from any other crappy message board.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 10:53 PM ET
I just can’t wrap my around the denial of Pens fans when it comes to how classless Cindy is. Tonight is just another incident in a long, long list of many totally un-captainlike and blatantly classless acts. From his constant whining (voted whiniest player in the league BY THE PLAYERS), to never giving any other team credit for anything, to the non-handshake at the end of game 7 last year (spare me the “he was too busy talking to the media” bullshit, when’s the last time any other captain from any team that just won the Cup missed the handshake?), to the suckerpunch to the Thrashers’ dude, the list goes on and on. He is probably one of the least captain-like captains in NHL history. Points and production has nothing to do with it. Grow up, act like a man and show some respect. When has Zetterberg ever done anything like that to another player? Crosby had no reason to do anything of the sort and just continues to show his immaturity. Frustrated at being shut down by Hank yet again, he lashed out like a child. I don’t know why nobody ever talks about it in the media.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/22/10 at 10:56 PM ET
this post by paul pretty much ends it for me. i cant read this website or paul’s B.S. or these stupid lousy blogs or these stupid freaking comments anymore. this site used to be a decent resource now its just pandering garbage not far from any other crappy message board.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 11:53 PM ET
I hate to say goodbye, but I love to watch you leave… 
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 10:56 PM ET
oh, good to see you arent ashamed of your sexuality pgoody.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 10:59 PM ET
this post by paul pretty much ends it for me. i cant read this website or paul’s B.S. or these stupid lousy blogs or these stupid freaking comments anymore. this site used to be a decent resource now its just pandering garbage not far from any other crappy message board.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 11:53 PM ET
Sweet, one less idiot around here. Get out and don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/22/10 at 10:59 PM ET
oh, good to see you arent ashamed of your sexuality pgoody.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 11:59 PM ET
Thats the why hockey goes…
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 11:01 PM ET
A lot like Pens fans obsession with Ovechkin - it’s called “being rivals”
If you say so. This thread just seems like a lot of hullabaloo over some good old fashioned hockey horse play.
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 11:05 PM ET
this post by paul pretty much ends it for me. i cant read this website or paul’s B.S. or these stupid lousy blogs or these stupid freaking comments anymore. this site used to be a decent resource now its just pandering garbage not far from any other crappy message board.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 11:53 PM ET
How’s that song go?
“Don’t go away mad, just go away…”
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 03/22/10 at 11:11 PM ET
this post by paul pretty much ends it for me. i cant read this website or paul’s B.S. or these stupid lousy blogs or these stupid freaking comments anymore. this site used to be a decent resource now its just pandering garbage not far from any other crappy message board.
Posted by whatever from over on 03/22/10 at 11:53 PM ET
The decisioon is yours to make whatever, but would like to question my B.S.?
What exactly do you mean since I haven’t even commented on this post.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:15 PM ET
“I knew it was him without turning around,” Zetterberg said.
The End
Posted by YYZerman from Detroit, Michigan on 03/22/10 at 11:19 PM ET
you posted the thing in the first place.
look its fine if you hate crosby. but don’t post this and act like this stuff doesn’t happen in every single hockey game, or that no other “captain” in the league does that kind of stuff.
this is just pandering. if crosby ties his skates backwards people flip. if jarome iginla does the same exact thing, nobody cares, but if crosby does it its the downfall of the game.
you just perpetuate this ridiculousness. stick to posting news, which was what this site was good for. it was a good aggregate for hockey articles on every team. even when it was A2Y it was ok. now its just full of worthless blogs by people who can’t write or argue their points, and stupid riot inciting posts about sidney crosby. i used to come here because i couldn’t get all of the news and info anywhere else so easily, now its just like a freaking message board of waste from yinzers and former factory workers.
if you’re not a wings fan, or you don’t scrutinize what sidney crosby ate for breakfast, there is absolutely no point to reading this garbage anymore.
Posted by whatever from k on 03/22/10 at 11:26 PM ET
stick to posting news,
Its his fuching site… and you have free will.. if you dont like it, dont read it… but since your a pen(i)s fan something tells me your also a masochist…
Posted by pgoody on 03/22/10 at 11:31 PM ET
you posted the thing in the first place.
look its fine if you hate crosby. but don’t post this and act like this stuff doesn’t happen in every single hockey game, or that no other “captain” in the league does that kind of stuff.
this is just pandering. if crosby ties his skates backwards people flip. if jarome iginla does the same exact thing, nobody cares, but if crosby does it its the downfall of the game.
you just perpetuate this ridiculousness. stick to posting news, which was what this site was good for. it was a good aggregate for hockey articles on every team. even when it was A2Y it was ok. now its just full of worthless blogs by people who can’t write or argue their points, and stupid riot inciting posts about sidney crosby. i used to come here because i couldn’t get all of the news and info anywhere else so easily, now its just like a freaking message board of waste from yinzers and former factory workers.
if you’re not a wings fan, or you don’t scrutinize what sidney crosby ate for breakfast, there is absolutely no point to reading this garbage anymore.
Seems to be a ring of truth in there.
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 11:32 PM ET
Whatever, so I am not supposed to post it because…why?
If it was a Wings player doing the same thing, it would have been posted too.
Maybe you are better off not reading if you think KK is a freaking message board, but I can tell you I have been doing the same thing for years, nothing has changed on my end.
If you do decide to stick around, I would suggest you use only one name when posting or better yet, become a KK member.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:32 PM ET
One more thing whatever, I guess NHL.com must hate Crosby too, since they have posted the video too.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:36 PM ET
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 11:14 PM ET
In typical Top Gear fashion, as I have been watching it tonight, I’ll break down the name for you.
CS 6687, here is it.
CS stands for Chicken Sh|t. The 66 is clearly the year he was born, and 87 is the year he kissed a girl for the first time. Of course a cousin, and a very, very drunk cousin at that, but worth putting it into your screen name.
Now get the fuch out of here because your team embarrassed themselves to the point where a Rookie goaltender made your Aptain cry on semi-national (VS?) television.
Next?
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/22/10 at 11:39 PM ET
Whatever, so I am not supposed to post it because…why?
If it was a Wings player doing the same thing, it would have been posted too.
Maybe you are better off not reading if you think KK is a freaking message board, but I can tell you I have been doing the same thing for years, nothing has changed on my end.
If you do decide to stick around, I would suggest you use only one name when posting or better yet, become a KK member.
The bolded part does not ring true.
As to the latter part, if you are implying that I am the same poster as pgoody, I am not. I hope pgoody can confirm this 
Posted by Callmejerry from Prague on 03/22/10 at 11:39 PM ET
Dave Waddell of the Windsor Star has quotes from Crosby and Zetterberg about the game.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:40 PM ET
a team that is about to fail magically gets the first prick… Is that the new NHL?
Fixed…
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/22/10 at 11:41 PM ET
Callmejerry, not directed at you, directed at the KK guest who uses whatever as a name.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:42 PM ET
look its fine if you hate crosby. but don’t post this and act like this stuff doesn’t happen in every single hockey game, or that no other “captain” in the league does that kind of stuff.
-Posted by whatever from k on 03/23/10 at 12:26 AM ET
I seem to recall Niedermeyer getting national attention for his gutless elbow to the face of Datsyuk at the end of game 4 last year. If you don’t like watching your captain behave like an infant, route for a different team.
Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 03/22/10 at 11:45 PM ET
CS 6687, here is it.
CS stands for Chicken Sh|t. The 66 is clearly the year he was born, and 87 is the year he kissed a girl for the first time. Of course a cousin, and a very, very drunk cousin at that, but worth putting it into your screen name.
Now get the fuch out of here because your team embarrassed themselves to the point where a Rookie goaltender made your Aptain cry on semi-national (VS?) television.
Wow. So clever. I actually feel honored that someone would waste that much time to come up with such a lame theory for my username. Now, go back to the unemployment line with the rest of your beaten city.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 11:46 PM ET
Easy with the name calling please. That’s one thing I really don’t go for.
Thanks.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/22/10 at 11:49 PM ET
Now, go back to the unemployment line with the rest of your beaten city.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/23/10 at 12:46 AM ET
Just cut the horse sh*t of saying Paul only posted this because he’s a Rosby hater and you have a dealski. As I can’t afford a tom-tom for proper directions, I’ll need you to instruct me on how to get to the Unemployment Office from your mother’s house…
Oh and if you find a video, ever, of Nick Lidstrom pulling this retarded sh*t that Crosby pulled tonight, please let Paul know, he’ll post it on his website. I promise.
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/22/10 at 11:52 PM ET
Crosby post-game locker room interview: http://redwings.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=-6&id=63648 (wtf is Gordie Howe doing in there?!)
Zetterberg: http://redwings.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=-6&id=63648
Howard: http://redwings.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=-6&id=63648
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 11:55 PM ET
Now, go back to the unemployment line with the rest of your beaten city.
HA HA HA HA!!! HA HA HA!!! SO CLEVER!!!!! HA HA HA!!
lolz….bitch please
Come up with some new material.
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 03/22/10 at 11:55 PM ET
What’s with Detroiters’ obsession with Crosby?
Not all Detroit fans are obsessed with Crosby. I really could care less about the man. He’s a good hockey player, acts like a punk sometimes, but in the end, his team plays in the east. His name really doesn’t come up in conversations I’ve had with fans out in the west.
Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 03/23/10 at 12:02 AM ET
What’s with Detroiters’ obsession with Crosby?
um, we played Pittsburgh tonight. so because we’re talking about what happened with one of their players in a game against them, we’re obsessed?
considering Ovechkin came up, I would say that is a much larger indicator of Penguins fans’ obsession with HIM.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 12:22 AM ET
I also like how Pitt fans say that maybe Z enticed the debacle, but Rosby admitted to interviewers after the game that he and Z don’t talk during play, that they have silent battles.
Points, they’re just not that into making them I guess…
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/23/10 at 12:37 AM ET
I also like how Pitt fans say that maybe Z enticed the debacle, but Rosby admitted to interviewers after the game that he and Z don’t talk during play, that they have silent battles.
Points, they’re just not that into making them I guess…
they were battling in front of the net. that’s nothing that warrants Crosby attacking Z from behind and taking it to the extreme he took it to.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 12:39 AM ET
I also like how Pitt fans say that maybe Z enticed the debacle, but Rosby admitted to interviewers after the game that he and Z don’t talk during play, that they have silent battles.
Points, they’re just not that into making them I guess…
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/23/10 at 01:37 AM ET
I see what you did there - it’s called “logic”. It won’t work with these fools.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/23/10 at 12:42 AM ET
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 03/23/10 at 01:42 AM ET
Damn!
Because my next point was how Rosby also said Howard had “no business being there” and was maybe looking to get a free shot on him from behind. As though trying to say Howard has no honour for sticking up for a team mate for a wild ass sore loser. Those cross checks were very, very out of line. Z had a very honourable battle against Rosby all night and he responded in the most childish of ways, and had the brains to criticise Howard after the game.
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/23/10 at 12:47 AM ET
Anyone else find it weird he still lives in marios basement? I’m sure Mario has a sick house and all but,move out. I think hes afraid of the ladies. Maybe a bit light in the loafers
Posted by squirrely from Dirty Jersey on 03/23/10 at 12:53 AM ET
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/23/10 at 01:47 AM ET
Yeah, watching Rosby’s postgame remark about that was just unreal. The look on his face and the way he talked about not knowing what he was doing there and trying to get a free shot, the irony of that given what he did is just incredible. One day Bettman is going to regret pushing so hard to make this little whiner the face of the NHL - he is completely unlikable and absolutely despised outside of Pittsburgh (or should I say the bandwagon Pens fanbase, as they seem to have sprouted up all over the place after the last couple of years, what a coincidence.)
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/23/10 at 12:56 AM ET
The interviews from the Windsor Star are about what I’d expect. Zetterberg gives Crosby credit and seemingly more than he deserved, saying that he plays hard and refusing to take the interviewer’s bait that Crosby “gets away with stuff” while Crosby continues to be unable to give Zetterberg any credit, implying that he only gets the best of him because he has Lidstrom and Rafalski behind him. Crosby may have “passion” but he is a total punk and incredibly classless when he loses.
Posted by Nick on 03/23/10 at 01:11 AM ET
Jesus, what a cochsucker Cindy is.
Every single time he plays the Wings, he has this “It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to” attitude. As if he didn’t get the chances tonight that lil gary promises and requires him to get.
Poor wittle baby.
Posted by mike from austin on 03/23/10 at 01:11 AM ET
I love it when Penguin fans defend Crosby, saying he has grown up and doesn’t act like a crybaby any more.
We defend him against allegations of diving, which haven’t been valid for three or four years (and it wasn’t diving anyway—he was throwing his head back).
None of his critics have been smart/observant enough to criticize him for questionable stickwork during or after the play (slashing, crosschecking) until Paul Kukla did so at 10:06 PM tonight.
THAT criticism is still valid—he’s been doing it for years and this is the first time I’ve seen anyone outside Pittsburgh mention it. Instead, his lowbrow critics stupidly repeat Peter Forsberg’s(!) “diving” canard.
Crosby just can’t stand having to play against Zetterberg, it seems. I can’t say I blame him. Z just has Crosby’s number.
Yep.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 01:21 AM ET
(voted whiniest player in the league BY THE PLAYERS)
Posted by stayouttamalibu from Temporarily in Tempe, AZ on 03/22/10 at 11:56 PM ET
Three years old and that same poll said Avery was more dangerous than Hollweg, Pronger, Matt Cooke and Chris Simon, (etc).
Since you put so much stock in the current relevance (and accuracy) of one poll from three years ago, I’d ask you to explain, in detail, how Sean Avery is dirtier than those four players.
Take your time.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 01:42 AM ET
Rosby. So cute. What a lame nickname. Of course, I expect it from a fanbase whose collective IQ is surpassed by the number of fingers I have on one hand.
what a sick burn
our collective IQ is more than 5
Posted by Tyler from Arizona on 03/23/10 at 01:47 AM ET
Three years old and that same poll said Avery was more dangerous than Hollweg, Pronger, Matt Cooke and Chris Simon, (etc).
Since you put so much stock in the current relevance (and accuracy) of one poll from three years ago, I’d ask you to explain, in detail, how Sean Avery is dirtier than those four players.
Take your time.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 02:42 AM ET
Uh, what does any of that have to do with the fact that the players in the league voted Crosby the whiniest player? I’m not talking about Sean Avery or Pronger or Cooke or any of those other guys. I’m talking about Sidney Crosby, and the fact that the poll happened - with the result that I mentioned. So what’s your point? Three years ago? So what? My point is that he obviously has a reputation for whining, and it isn’t just random fans who think so.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/23/10 at 01:55 AM ET
whatever,poor sportsmanship,as alwasys,by the Penis star,and stop comparing Howard to a mentally challenged kid on South Park
Posted by edillac from isolation on 03/23/10 at 02:17 AM ET
what does any of that have to do with the fact that the players in the league voted Crosby the whiniest player? I’m not talking about Sean Avery or Pronger or Cooke or any of those other guys. I’m talking about Sidney Crosby, and the fact that the poll happened - with the result that I mentioned. So what’s your point? Three years ago? So what? My point is that he obviously has a reputation for whining, and it isn’t just random fans who think so.
Hey, “steve on 03/23/10 at 02:42 AM ET”...facial
Posted by mike from austin on 03/23/10 at 02:25 AM ET
We defend him against allegations of diving, which haven’t been valid for three or four years (and it wasn’t diving anyway—he was throwing his head back).
first of all steve… and thanks to the wonderful site crosbysucks.com for this link, but this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zufu1BtiXaY seems to really make your above comment just wrong. and guess what - this is from a month ago. how typically classless is this play? not only is it a blatant and obscene dive, but the fact that he has the nerve to take a shot at the goalie… who probably “shouldn’t have been there” either, huh steve?
Three years old and that same poll said Avery was more dangerous than Hollweg, Pronger, Matt Cooke and Chris Simon, (etc).
Since you put so much stock in the current relevance (and accuracy) of one poll from three years ago, I’d ask you to explain, in detail, how Sean Avery is dirtier than those four players.
Take your time.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 02:42 AM ET
ummm… well steve, they asked again about a year ago… and guess who was STILL labeled the biggest whiner in the league by their fellow players? c’mon guess… I’ll give you one guess…
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?page=0809playersurvey)
Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 03/23/10 at 02:27 AM ET
thanks to the wonderful site crosbysucks.com for this link, but this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zufu1BtiXaY seems to really make your above comment just wrong. and guess what - this is from a month ago. how typically classless is this play? not only is it a blatant and obscene dive, but the fact that he has the nerve to take a shot at the goalie… who probably “shouldn’t have been there” either, huh steve?
Yup, Cindy was divin’ and fakin’ just like Seabrook did on the Wisniewski hit.
The only difference is Wisniewski just deserves a Razzie for worst acting. Cindy deserves awards not only for worst acting, but also best rigging and falsifying-in conjunction with Bettman-all regualar and postseason games involving the Penguins.
Posted by mike from austin on 03/23/10 at 02:46 AM ET
Correction and addendum to previous post:
Seabrook, not douche-niewski, gets the award for worst acting.
Cindy and lil Gary should’ve won Best Picture, Editing and Directing for artificially constructing a Pens win the Finals that took advantage of an injured Wings team needing rest, but deprived of it because lil Gary jumped on the opportunity of fuching the wings by scheduling Games 1 and 2 back-to-back because the unfunny and failed Conan O’Brien Tonight Show debuted on a Monday. And, in addition, Mario, Bettman, and perhaps Sid ordered the refs to ignore the too many men on the ice and carry-on with a manufacturing of a Pens SCF victory.
Posted by mike from austin on 03/23/10 at 03:14 AM ET
Posted by perfection on 03/23/10 at 03:27 AM ET
So let me get this straight - what you’re basically saying is that everything our friend “steve” up there has said is totally wrong? Uh oh! Don’t worry steve, you can feel free to try to debunk these things.
Take your time.
Two things I find pretty funny about that poll from this past year.
1 - The percentage of 1st place votes about him being the biggest whiner is the third highest in the whole poll. The only higher ones are the questions about participating in the Olympics again, and which goalie would make the best forward/d-man.
2 - His name is nowhere to be found in the “best leader” question. What a surprise.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/23/10 at 05:19 AM ET
Where were all these faux Pens fans/trolls during the LB? They came out in droves yesterday before the match.
All puffed up with a loss I guess.
Lets Go Red wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 03/23/10 at 06:22 AM ET
Maybe Crosby just hates Swedes?
I feel bad for recently saying how he is maturing and his on ice class is getting to the level of his skills. Crosby makes it so hard to like him. What ever happened to the rule about instigating a fight in an out of hand game in the last five minutes? Oh yeah, rules don’t apply to Crosby.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/23/10 at 07:03 AM ET
The reason Paul doesn’t post vids of Wings doing similar stuff is Wings don’t do similar stuff. I’ve been watching the Red Wings since before Crosby was born. Even in the McCarty/Lemeiux days, you wouldn’t see Wings taking cheap shots like that.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/23/10 at 07:05 AM ET
The world is laughing at Crosby right now, not with him.
That is all I have to say.
Posted by Primis on 03/23/10 at 07:14 AM ET
I think ‘rosby has grown up quite a bit… I just think that the Red Wings, and Zetterberg in particular, bring out the worst in him.
Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 03/23/10 at 07:20 AM ET
And Rosby is seriously the best you guys can do? Did you come up with that sitting in the unemployment line one day?
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:20 PM ET
A “joke” about unemployment is the best you can do? Did you come up with that in 2004 before you knew and cared about what hockey was, and your team was planning to leave for Kansas City?
I’m all for a little trash talk, but keep it reasonable. We’re all good people, and joking about livelihood is cheap and pathetic.
Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 03/23/10 at 07:24 AM ET
Nathan, I was going to games when the Penguins were the worst team in the league in the early 2000s. So don’t question my devotion. But that insult, the type of which I’m done with now, was directed at someone who took personal shots at me.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/23/10 at 07:41 AM ET
Wings fans are used to great classy captains like Yzerman and Lidstrom, so it’s hard for us to fathom having such a classless captain. We have standards.
Posted by Crosby wears a strap on 03/23/10 at 07:47 AM ET
but don’t post this and act like this stuff doesn’t happen in every single hockey game, or that no other “captain” in the league does that kind of stuff.
Classy going after Paul when the majority of posters disagree with you. No one forces you to come here, an excellent informative site (that happens to virtually never miss posting an event like this) regarding everything hockey with a free exchange of ideas between posters.
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 03/23/10 at 07:50 AM ET
“I don’t know if he gets away with it,’’ Zetterberg said. “He plays with a lot of emotion, a lot of heart. Sometimes, it comes out the wrong way.’’
Zetterberg said of the cross-checks: “I might be doing the same thing if (the score) were the other way.’’
Zetterberg last night…
Again, fans (both Penguins and Wings) making more out of something than it actually is. This stuff happens every single game, and generally is at the end of most periods, and occasionally games. Just happened to be a couple high profile guys this time.
Posted by Greg on 03/23/10 at 07:52 AM ET
Nathan, I was going to games when the Penguins were the worst team in the league in the early 2000s. So don’t question my devotion. But that insult, the type of which I’m done with now, was directed at someone who took personal shots at me.
Posted by cs6687 on 03/23/10 at 08:41 AM ET
Early 2000 doesn’t make you a devoted, loyal fan. At all. Back to the wagon with you…
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 03/23/10 at 07:55 AM ET
Maybe Crosby just hates Swedes?
I feel bad for recently saying how he is maturing and his on ice class is getting to the level of his skills. Crosby makes it so hard to like him. What ever happened to the rule about instigating a fight in an out of hand game in the last five minutes? Oh yeah, rules don’t apply to the Penguins.
FTFY. (See the cases of Malkin v. Zetterberg and Cooke v. Savard)
Posted by Stevis on 03/23/10 at 07:56 AM ET
Zetterberg said of the cross-checks: “I might be doing the same thing if (the score) were the other way.’’
Just sounds gracious and forgiving to me.
As opposed to petulance:
““There are lots of guys who play tough. There are a lot of guys who don’t have Rafalski and Lidstrom on the backend either. He competes hard. We both do.”
Try to explain why Rafalski and Listrom are mentioned. It’s irrelevant for the point he’s making about how Z is just another average player who plays tough, regarding the crosschecking. I read that as a dig at his skill, since Lidstrom and Rafalski are hardly considered tough in an after-the-whistle capacity.
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 03/23/10 at 08:00 AM ET
“There are lots of guys who play tough. There are a lot of guys who don’t have Rafalski and Lidstrom on the backend either. He competes hard. We both do.”
Nice. Basically saying, yeah, he competes hard, but he’s only as good as Rafalski and Lidstrom make him. Awesome. Why don’t you just cross check him in the back over and over and over again and get it over with?
Posted by monkey from here to Timbuktu on 03/23/10 at 08:30 AM ET
Also, as far as “Wings fans being obsessed with Crosby”, the league is obsessed with Crosby. The MSM is obsessed with Crosby. It’s all any hockey fan ever hears about, and most are sick of it. You should wake up and realize that the way we feel about the little bitch is not isolated to Red Wings fans.
And yes, this stuff does happen every day, and no, Crosby should never do it, not if he thinks he deserves that big “C” on his chest.
Posted by monkey from here to Timbuktu on 03/23/10 at 08:34 AM ET
The vid of the Rangers posted above has NY fans chanting CROSBY SUCKS as well. The diving princess isn’t well loved beyond the pittsburgh fan base and team canada enthusiasts.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/23/10 at 08:50 AM ET
not only is it a blatant and obscene dive, but the fact that he has the nerve to take a shot at the goalie… who probably “shouldn’t have been there” either, huh steve?
He’s on the outside edge of one foot and gets pushed from the blindside. Show me footage of someone staying up in that situation. There’s even a closeup of his skates in that video. Maybe you should look again.
And yep, he follows it up with questionable stickwork, which he does a lot, and nobody outside Pittsburgh was smart enough to notice until Paul Kukla did yesterday.
Uh, what does any of that have to do with the fact that the players in the league voted Crosby the whiniest player?
My point, which should have been obvious, is that you’re using a poll with at least one erroneous result (Avery=most dangerous) as if it were gospel. If you believe one overwhelming result is evidence of its truth precisely because of the nature of the source, then it follows that you believe the other, from the same source.
Again, please explain how Sean Avery is dirtier than Chris Pronger, Matt Cooke, Ryan Hollweg and Chris Simon, either now, or three years ago.
If using the second poll, which didn’t ask who was dirtiest, then maybe you can explain how it is the Red Wings share the dubious distinction of having multiple players on the complainer list (with the Flyers), considering they don’t have anyone who is so “classless” to compain about anything, anywhere on the roster.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 08:56 AM ET
Very quietly, I think the Zetterberg-Crosby rivalry has become the best personal contest in the NHL. Perhaps only the players know it, and they keep quiet about it.
Posted by w2j2 on 03/23/10 at 09:04 AM ET
or perhaps Z did slash Crosby across the calves earlier on.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/22/10 at 11:19 PM ET
Come now, J.J. If that were the case we would have seen something along the lines of this.
More evidence to the contrary that he stopped diving three years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v06KNntkHho
Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 03/23/10 at 09:34 AM ET
Someone Want To Count The Crosschecks?
Three and a half crosscheck by my estimation. All quite innocuous hits to the shoulder pads of Zetterberg. A single blow to the teeth would have been better if causing injury was the primary objective.
It also looks like a spearing by Zetterberg after the face-off. Perhaps accidentally, but if perceived otherwise in a lost game, it might cause the observed reaction by Crosby. That’s my explanation anyway, but I don’t pretend to know the exact circumstances nor need to try my hand at pocket psychology more than necessary.
Regardless of Crosby cross-checking someone one day or saving a kitten the next, people will use their coloured glasses to pick, chose, guess, or construct their favourite story. Trying to sway that in any beneficial direction is less than a profound waste of time.
After reading the commentary here I need a cup of coffee while reflecting on sanity and the important questions of life.
Posted by Moq from Denmark on 03/23/10 at 09:49 AM ET
I also like how Pitt fans say that maybe Z enticed the debacle, but Rosby admitted to interviewers after the game that he and Z don’t talk during play, that they have silent battles.
Points, they’re just not that into making them I guess…
I know that I didn’t see those quotes before I posted the first couple of times, so I digress. I can’t speak for the others, though.
“Again, fans (both Penguins and Wings) making more out of something than it actually is. This stuff happens every single game, and generally is at the end of most periods, and occasionally games. Just happened to be a couple high profile guys this time.” - Zetterberg
There IS that quote, though. Which definitely has a lot of truth in it. A LOT of truth.
Early 2000 doesn’t make you a devoted, loyal fan. At all. Back to the wagon with you…
Why not? I certainly don’t think it’s more loyal to follow a team that has a legitimate shot to not only go deep into the playoffs every year, but win the Cup every year as well. It’s not hard to be loyal to a team like that. At least not in my opinion.
And while I’m dishing out opinions, there’s nothing more loyal than a being a fan when your team sells off all it’s players for mid-level (at best) prospects and never has-been’s/never will-be’s and wins no more than 25 games four years in a row. You’ve never had to go through ANYTHING like that, being a Wings fan (unless, maybe, you were born in the 50s or 60s).
Plus, you don’t know how old this person is. I know I didn’t go to my first Pens game until I was in college. Why? Because my family wasn’t a hockey family…and that’s when was on my own and had money of my own (and the Student Rush tickets were $20). And you don’t know where this person is from. Maybe this person moved into Pittsburgh in the early 2000’s and that’s when they started going to game (which is what was said…GOING TO GAMES…not being a fan since the 2000’s).
So, you might want to quit generalizing.
Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 03/23/10 at 10:21 AM ET
More evidence to the contrary that he stopped diving three years ago.
That one I’ll buy. Congratulations for finding one incident of diving from the last three years, which moves him into a tie with Franzen.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 10:55 AM ET
I was a Wings fan in the late 80s. I was born in the mid-70s. I remember the era of the Dead Things.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/23/10 at 11:38 AM ET
“Again, fans (both Penguins and Wings) making more out of something than it actually is. This stuff happens every single game, and generally is at the end of most periods, and occasionally games. Just happened to be a couple high profile guys this time.” - Zetterberg
There IS that quote, though. Which definitely has a lot of truth in it. A LOT of truth.
no, that is Zetterberg being a professional and trying to downplay the situation.
if you actually WATCH the games, you will see that that kind of cross-checking, punching, and generally acting like a baby does NOT happen every single game.
are there scrums? yes. do they start from people taking things to the level of crybabiness that Crosby took it last night? no.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 11:55 AM ET
You’ve never had to go through ANYTHING like that, being a Wings fan (unless, maybe, you were born in the 50s or 60s).
um, what? you shouldn’t talk about things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. remember the “Dead Things” era of the 1980s? I have been watching the Wings since 1983 and I have witnessed the worst season in Wings history and the best season in Wings history.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 11:56 AM ET
That one I’ll buy. Congratulations for finding one incident of diving from the last three years, which moves him into a tie with Franzen.
because getting punched in the head the first game back from a head injury, and being hurt…is diving.
yeah, ok.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 12:07 PM ET
Crosby is a bush league loser. When he’s losing he acts like he did last night and when he wins he’s not mush different. Point and case after winning the cup he didn’t shake hands with the Wings. He’s a classless loser!!!
Posted by jason on 03/23/10 at 12:44 PM ET
You had to be salivating at the potential hits from this post, Paul. 
Posted by Incognetis from Delaware... Hi... I'm in... Delaware on 03/23/10 at 01:09 PM ET
Incognetis, not at all. We receive around 12M page views a month and this will only be a blog on the stats.
Never have posted to attract hits and when I do, time to move on to another job.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/23/10 at 01:44 PM ET
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/23/10 at 02:44 PM ET
Didn’t mean a thing by it, Paul. Only some friendly ribbing. It is amazing, though, how quickly the Crosby-related posts accumulate comments compared to some of the other more general posts.
I’ve reached a point where I actively avoid the Crosby-related posts, because of the inevitable back-and-forth that accompanies them. I don’t know if there’s a more polarizing figure in the NHL, but it’s a shame we can’t discuss that without devolving to histrionics and name-calling.
Posted by Incognetis from Delaware... Hi... I'm in... Delaware on 03/23/10 at 02:20 PM ET
I understand that Incognetis, but for people that really don’t know my style, I just wanted to make it perfectly clear to them since millions are reading this post!
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/23/10 at 02:22 PM ET
anybody who looks through the posts on the various blogs here can easily see that pretty much anything that happens in the league is posted, regardless of team or player involved.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/23/10 at 02:42 PM ET
no, that is Zetterberg being a professional and trying to downplay the situation.
Yeah, part of it is that, of course. But, this wouldn’t have been nearly as big of a deal if it wasn’t between who it was between - or if Crosby wasn’t involved. And, of course it doesn’t happen every single game, but it happens a lot more often when its between teams that are rivals…which after two straight SCF match-ups, I believe the Pens and Wings are.
um, what? you shouldn’t talk about things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. remember the “Dead Things” era of the 1980s? I have been watching the Wings since 1983 and I have witnessed the worst season in Wings history and the best season in Wings history.
Yeah, that’s my fault. I was thinking the Dead Things era was in the 70’s for some reason.
I was born in 83, so I didn’t even remember the Pens winning their first two Cups in the 90’s. Sometimes history before I was worried about anything other than “Sesame Street”, “Thundercats” or “The Real Ghostbusters” comes out jumbled and hazy.
Thanks for calling me out on that.
Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 03/23/10 at 02:45 PM ET
Posted by cs6687 on 03/22/10 at 10:51 PM ET
Wow, someone is quite upset their captain, yet again, failed to be captain material.
And the point has already been made, Crosby is so upset because Zetterberg owns him.
Now, is there any sane human being that believes the little boy Crosby should in any way be the Face of the NHL???
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 03/23/10 at 02:53 PM ET
I’ve read (some) of the comments I think that most people are missing the best part of this video. It’s not the Crosby vs Zetterberg stuff, it’s the awesome facewash that Howard gave Crosby.
Posted by Sprout on 03/23/10 at 03:09 PM ET
Uh, what does any of that have to do with the fact that the players in the league voted Crosby the whiniest player?
My point, which should have been obvious, is that you’re using a poll with at least one erroneous result (Avery=most dangerous) as if it were gospel. If you believe one overwhelming result is evidence of its truth precisely because of the nature of the source, then it follows that you believe the other, from the same source.
Again, please explain how Sean Avery is dirtier than Chris Pronger, Matt Cooke, Ryan Hollweg and Chris Simon, either now, or three years ago.
If using the second poll, which didn’t ask who was dirtiest, then maybe you can explain how it is the Red Wings share the dubious distinction of having multiple players on the complainer list (with the Flyers), considering they don’t have anyone who is so “classless” to compain about anything, anywhere on the roster.
Posted by steve on 03/23/10 at 09:56 AM ET
Your point was flawed from the beginning. You’re right that it was obvious - it was just pointless as well. So what if you have issue with one of the other questions? Again, Sean Avery, Chris Pronger, Matt Cooke, Ryan Hollweg, and Chris Simon have literally NOTHING to do with this conversation aside from the fact that you brought them up for no reason whatsoever. Regarding the second poll, again, what in the world does “asking who is the dirtiest” have to do with the question regarding the league’s biggest complainer? So what if it didn’t ask that question this time around? I just am really failing to grasp why you keep trying to pound that irrelevant point home. That is a completely separate question that has nothing to do with the question I referenced. If you disagree with the answer to that question, so what? It is the players that answered, not you. I’m sure some of the players answered the question as if it was “who is the most annoying player”, which I would not necessarily disagree with Avery being the answer in that case. But again, who cares? That is not what this conversation has been about. This has been about how in two separate polls now, the players have voted (by a LARGE margin) Crosby the biggest complainer. There’s nothing you can say to downplay or trivialize that.
About the Wing players included in that question, Draper? Ok, fine. He received ONE percent of the vote while Crosby received FIFTY TWO percent of the vote. That means that the players who were asked could have chosen any player they wanted in the NHL, any player, yet literally over half of them chose Crosby. If you’re in such a state of denial about how telling that is, I just don’t know what to tell you. Hate to break it to you, but the one thing that unites all knowledgable hockey fans outside of the Pens fanbase is the hatred of Crosby. He is damn near universally despised across pretty much all other fanbases.
Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 03/23/10 at 04:17 PM ET
Perhaps only the players know it, and they keep quiet about it.
Posted by w2j2 on 03/23/10 at 10:04 AM ET
Well Rosby’s staying very very very quiet… hehe
Posted by pgoody on 03/23/10 at 06:56 PM ET
It’s unfortunate that the ‘face of the NHL’ seems to be permanently on the verge of tears.
There’s probably somewhat higher expectations for Wings’ captains than other clubs, given nearly thirty years of Yzerman and Lidstrom and their preternatural leadership abilities and overall classy behavior. Crosby is still young, and hopefully as he ages his maturity will begin to match his hockey talent. However, I’m beginning to think he’s just one of those individuals (like Chelios, who was one of my two or three most disliked opposing players when he played for the Canadians and Blackhawks) prone to pouting and acting out.
I also think a lot of Wings fans tend to forget that Yzerman was capable of some pretty chippy play. Although, I have to admit I can’t remember punches from behind. Stuff like that is kind of chicken$hit.
Posted by BobS. on 03/23/10 at 07:09 PM ET
“Was Crosby out of line? Yes. But I like his fire. The guy does not like to lose. Why don’t you attack Ovechkin? After all, I never see Crosby trying to intentionally hurt other players and push a woman to the ground.
And Rosby is seriously the best you guys can do? Did you come up with that sitting in the unemployment line one day? “
Not intentionally hurt someone my ass… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-IPlmrC4M
Slashing at Zetterberg that was obviously intentional… Your whole *#$%@& team is full of dirty players who do these type of things. Crosby is a bitch too, I can’t wait til he tries this against Bertuzzi next time and Bertuzzi decides to end his career too.
Posted by ZWC11 from Michigan on 03/23/10 at 07:21 PM ET
He’s battling in front the net, whatever. Not really necessary given the time left in the game, but it’s really no big deal. Not a fan of Crosby, but this wasn’t anything monumental. I like Howard getting in his face though!
Posted by Matt from San Jose, CA on 03/23/10 at 07:26 PM ET
There will always be dirty plays in hockey for hockey fans to pick apart. And they always follow the same pattern:
1. “Look at the video of this guy obviously making a cheap shot”
2. Fans of cheap-shotted player call for blood
3. Fans of cheap-shotting player call for context
4. Life moves on.
Once in awhile, there’s a 5. Payback, which only occurs if the hockey players themselves thought a cheap-shot transcended the normal flow of a rough sport.
Let’s be honest: there’s scuffles at the end of games all the time. This one was only newsworthy because it was the league’s darling who was caught on camera, and because it was a rookie goalie who stepped in.
And also, because the way Crosby does it is not like how most players do it.
It’s not Crosby’s fault that he was knighted savior of the NHL by its commissioner. That’s all Bettman, who learned his ropes in the NBA and is following the Jordan playbook. The way he has been marketed, you would think he’s Gretzky, Lemieux and Yzerman all rolled into one. He’s not. You can’t repeat those guys. In particular, he will never have the heart or maturity of Yzerman that’s expected of him, because nobody has the heart or maturity of Yzerman—that’s what made Yzerman so damn special.
Crosby is not unusual. He’s 22. He acts like a 22-year-old. The thing is, very few 22-year-olds who aren’t mature beyond their years get to play in the NHL. It’s Crosby’s tremendous abilities that got him here. Contrast that with Zetterberg at 22. At that point, Zetts was just breaking into the league, having worked his way up through every sheet of ice between Grand Rapids and Kjellberg.
Oh, Crosby put in more work before he was 17 than 99.9999 percent or whatever of skaters ever will. He only stands out when compared to other NHL players.
Most guys in the NHL have their Zetterberg story, and from that they can draw their humility before the game. They can take a loss better, they can win with more class, they can know when to stick up for teammates or to dish out a hit. Their judgment does not always agree with that of the fans, and not all of them have that great of judgment.
Remember, fans, the point of hitting in hockey is not “retaliation” or “to pump up your team” (these are both ancillary). You go out and hit because you want the other team to feel hurt and angry and play worse. Going after a team’s best players is natural—the only thing that stops you is knowing that the team will stick up for him after. Of course they know that Pavel Datsyuk had a broken foot, and that Franzen was out with a head injury (though this one, fortunately, will have some long-needed league protection soon). That’s the point. The thing is context: hitting is done for the team, to help the team win, and we embrace hitting only with that prerogative in mind.
This is why Crosby’s few forays into the physical end of the ice always seem to rub non-Penguin partisans the wrong way. He seems to attack out of petulance more than anything else. He has largely avoided the headhunting that Yzerman and Lemieux and Gretzky had to dodge their entire careers, partly because the modern NHL doesn’t let players self-police as much as they once did, and more because Pittsburgh has surrounded Crosby with plenty of goons to protect him. When he attacks, then, it’s in scenarios like this, when the game is already over, and he’s mad at a Selke-level forward who shut him down all game. It’s for him, not the team. And we don’t respect that.
Posted by Misopogon from Troy on 03/24/10 at 07:20 AM ET
Coming late to the party due to work commitments:
What amazes me is that Pen’s fans are not up in arms that their supposed best player and captain took himself out of the play with 7 seconds left, after an O zone face off and his team in control of the puck, all to vent frustration on someone who bested him during the game.
7 seconds is not a lot of time to get two goals, but gee, wouldn’t you want to atleast try to take the sweetness out of the Wings’ victory? You know, compete until the bitter end?
Apparently for the Pen’s Captain and fans, personal agendas are more important than the team.
Posted by beanie168 from currently traveling in Asia on 03/24/10 at 09:50 PM ET
CROSBABY = CLASSLESS PUNK B*TCH.
Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC from ...somewhere southwest of The Motor City... on 03/24/10 at 11:26 PM ET
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I love it when Penguin fans defend Crosby, saying he has grown up and doesn’t act like a crybaby any more.
Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/22/10 at 09:12 PM ET