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Tim Thomas Does Not Attend White House Ceremony
by Paul on 01/23/12 at 03:01 PM ET
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via Fluto Shinzawa of the Bruins Blog at the Boston Globe,
Tim Thomas, one of two Americans on the roster, chose not to attend today’s ceremony at the White House, according to GM Peter Chiarelli.
“We’re like a family. We have our issues,” Chiarelli answered when asked if Thomas’s decision overshadowed the visit. “You deal with them, move on, and try and support everyone. It may or may not. If it does, I hope it doesn’t. The guys seemed to enjoy it. I enjoyed it.”
All other players were in attendance. Chiarelli said attendance today was not mandatory. Steven Kampfer is the other American player.
“I can require someone to attend a team event. If they don’t, I can suspend him,” Chiarelli said. “I’m not suspending Tim. Whatever his position is, it isn’t reflective of the Boston Bruins nor my own. But I’m not suspending him.”
added 6:15pm, Tim Thomas releases a statement via Facebook, read it below…
I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT
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Tim Thomas just became my second favorite goalie.
Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 01/23/12 at 04:13 PM ET
Hmmm. Not only am I surprised to see this about Thomas, I’m surprised ya’ll aren’t ripping him to shreds for it.
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 04:17 PM ET
If Thomas didn’t attend the White House ceremony because of “political” differences with the current president, I find it pretty sad, pathetic and embarassing.
It’s a disrespect to the office of the Presidency, which is a disrespect to the country. Even you hate the current president, you have to respect the Presidency and accept the invite. This is a congratulatory tradition that has been done for decades in all sports and has nothing to do with politics.
Thomas is being selfish and disrespectful. His actions are taking away from the rest of the team being recognized. Winning teams always visit the White House; it doesn’t imply political endorsement in any way.
You’re better than that, Tim Thomas. You’re better than that…
I do really hope it wasn’t because of politics. I really, really do. I’m a big fan of Tim Thomas and will be less so if this is the case.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 04:21 PM ET
If I was in his position, I’d do the exact same thing. Here’s a guy Obama bashes as the 1 percent, yet he’s earned everything he’s gotten. Why wouldn’t he be offended?
Posted by Mike Adams from Madison, WI on 01/23/12 at 04:21 PM ET
Why does Tim Thomas hate America?
Posted by BackScatter25 on 01/23/12 at 04:23 PM ET
Even you hate the current president, you have to respect the Presidency and accept the invite.
Why?
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 04:25 PM ET
I find it disrespectful and un-American. He can make his own choices, of course, but that’s pretty juvenile.
Posted by B dog on 01/23/12 at 04:27 PM ET
Agree with Ajax19. Regardless of feelings toward the politics of the president, if the president invites you to his home, you go. Very disrespectful, but not surprising given the past political statements TimTom has made.
Posted by penguinsfan on 01/23/12 at 04:27 PM ET
Why?
If I have to try and explain it to you, then you wont understand.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 04:27 PM ET
I have no horse in this race, but… I will say I am a bit confused as to what it is that pro athletes are trying to accomplish by not showing to the White House for these events.
If it’s a pure political protest, it doesn’t entirely make sense to me because it’s a protest that is largely meaningless and that very few if any will ever care about. Nor is it likely the sitting President who is being protested will care, because it’s unlikely the President even knows who said player is, or cares.
Why pick now to make the statement? Why not sooner, or at an earlier opportunity?
I appreciate the idea I guess, I just don’t get the execution.
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 04:32 PM ET
Don’t mix sports and politics. You’re not Muhammad Ali. The Office of the President is honoring your team, as they do for every major sports champion, regardless of the politics of the President. Go take a tour of the White House and smile when the President is congratulating you for your achievements. Stop being petty. You’ve lost my respect, Mr. Thomas.
Posted by CMo44 on 01/23/12 at 04:33 PM ET
I remember when being disingenuous was disrespectful.
Apparently, there isn’t a way to respectfully decline things anymore.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 04:33 PM ET
Of course, gathering in a bunch of different cities and costing taxpayers millions in cleanup is, like, totally not being disrespectful to other people. But not showing up to a White House invite? Oh, the NERVE.
Get a grip, people.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/23/12 at 04:34 PM ET
Look, he can think whatever he likes about Obama’s virtues as a president, but I can likewise think that Thomas is symptomatic of a disfunctional political culture in which people believe (or pretend to belive) that their political opponents are somehow beyond the pale. Unless there is a clear and specific cause for action—refusing to shake the hand of Gerry Adams as a figure in the Northern Irish government because of his refusal to apologize for violent IRA activity, for example—I think this is political grandstanding. It wasn’t Democratic candidate Obama who invited him; it was the president of all of us. Does Thomas think that members of the military should stop saluting the Commander in Chief if they disagree with his policy decisions?
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 04:36 PM ET
I do really hope it wasn’t because of politics. I really, really do. I’m a big fan of Tim Thomas and will be less so if this is the case.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 03:21 PM ET
So it’s not OK for Thomas to protest for political reasons and differences… but is for you to dislike him and hold it against him then for the same?
You do see the ridiculousness of that, right?
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 04:36 PM ET
Regardless of feelings toward the politics of the president, if the president invites you to his home, you go.
Why are you pretending this is anything more than just a photo op?
If I have to try and explain it to you, then you wont understand.
You’re right, I won’t. It’s a stupid, perfunctory ceremony that means NOTHING because the President isn’t even a hockey fan. How disrespectful is THAT, pretending that you give a flying shit about hockey just so you can have a photo op with someone who won something you don’t care about?
I love how you asses think that a guy should betray his beliefs and go to some asinine ceremony as if it means something to anyone involved.
As the article states, there are TWO Americans on the f*cking roster, meaning that this whole meeting-the-President thing is relevant to less than 10% of the roster, but according to you guys that 10% shouldn’t be allowed to express their beliefs.
And f*ck, it isn’t as if Tim Thomas came out and made some sort of statement about why he wasn’t going, he just quietly and respectfully told the management that he didn’t want to go.
You whiners need to grow up.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 04:37 PM ET
You’ve lost my respect, Mr. Thomas.
I’m sure Mr Thomas is broken up about someone who doesn’t respect him for standing up for what he believes.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 04:40 PM ET
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 03:36 PM ET
Pretty bang-on. It’s how people refer to “Bush” and “Obama” instead of “President Bush” or “President Obama”. The Presidency gets no respect anymore.
And yet, the President (the position) is in fact partially to blame for that I guess, going back decades… they’ve also eroded it themselves I guess.
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 04:40 PM ET
Thomas gets a big Boo. It is disrespectful to the office. Too bad Thomas’ personal politics gets in the way of his team getting the respect from the country’s highest office. No wonder Thomas hides from his fans just like he does in his credit card commercial. Will boo him next time he comes to town.
Posted by Bo from FL. on 01/23/12 at 04:41 PM ET
Does Thomas think that members of the military should stop saluting the Commander in Chief if they disagree with his policy decisions?
I doubt Tim Thomas would support actual dereliction of duty.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 04:41 PM ET
Too bad Thomas’ personal politics gets in the way of his team getting the respect from the country’s highest office.
What?
What does one thing have to do with the other? He didn’t stop the team from getting anything.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 04:42 PM ET
The things that pass for “stories” these days…
Ugh, who really cares about your politics, Mr. Thomas.
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/23/12 at 04:45 PM ET
You’re right, I won’t. It’s a stupid, perfunctory ceremony that means NOTHING because the President isn’t even a hockey fan.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 03:37 PM ET
And that’s not to say Bush or Clinton were…
The entire ceremony is a waste of time and money.
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 04:45 PM ET
Posted by Mike Adams from Madison, WI on 01/23/12 at 03:21 PM ET
Yeah, Thomas isn’t in the 1%, hate to inform you of that. He may be a millionaire, and so are most celebrities, but most aren’t in the 1% either. Every hear the saying “athletes are rich, but owners are wealthy”?
And being that Thomas is a “hard worker” he would probably respect the blue collar man, so he likely wouldn’t be offended by any of Obama’s “1% beliefs”
Posted by pstumba on 01/23/12 at 04:48 PM ET
I really hope that, especially being an American, Thomas can openly acknowledge why he didn’t attend. He has always seemed to be a classy, responsible guy and “do the right thing,” so to not attend to somehow make a “political statement” seems to be a bit ridiculous.
That being said… I absolutely despised President Bush, but if I received an invite to check out the White House, especially if it was in honor of what my TEAM accomplished, I would have no reason to say no.
Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 01/23/12 at 04:48 PM ET
Then again, maybe this isn’t political at all and Timmy Thomas is still trapped in that cab with that psycho-fan cab driver lady, while he waits for “Peggy” to work out his credit card issue.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 04:48 PM ET
The entire ceremony is a waste of time and money.
Absolutely.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 04:51 PM ET
Yeah, Thomas isn’t in the 1%, hate to inform you of that. He may be a millionaire, and so are most celebrities, but most aren’t in the 1% either. Every hear the saying “athletes are rich, but owners are wealthy”?
Posted by pstumba on 01/23/12 at 03:48 PM ET
Hate to break it to you, but anyone making over $500k is indeed in the top 1%, and that’s using the most conservative of estimates. The more widely-regarded estimates put it more around $380k per year as the “top 1 percent” tier.
The income gap really is that gigantic.
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/23/12 at 04:54 PM ET
Who even said this was political? Could be family issues or anything mildly more important. Even still, who cares? It’s an optional team event, he passed on it. Moving on….
Posted by Mattimeo on 01/23/12 at 04:55 PM ET
It’s a stupid, perfunctory ceremony that means NOTHING because the President isn’t even a hockey fan.
I love how you asses think that a guy should betray his beliefs and go to some asinine ceremony as if it means something to anyone involved.
So, wait… Is this a:
(A) “a stupid, perfunctory ceremony that means NOTHING because the President isn’t even a hockey fan”; or
(B) such an important ceremony that it’s a platform for someone to “stand[] up for what he believes” and so meaningful that by even attending it would force a man to “betray his beliefs”?
How can it be both?
I’m sure Mr Thomas is thrilled up about someone who respects him for “standing up for what he believes” by skipping an “asinine .. stupid, perfunctory ceremony that means NOTHING.”
True American heroes!
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 04:58 PM ET
I know why he wasn’t there.
He was too busy rifling through the desk drawers in the Oval Office looking for Obama’s birth certificate.
Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 01/23/12 at 04:59 PM ET
Echoing Mattimeo’s comments, I’m really just hoping he just wanted to spend time with family or something of the nature. But even so, an American athlete blowing off a Presidential invite for his team’s recognition seems pretty shitty…
Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 01/23/12 at 05:02 PM ET
Then again, maybe this isn’t political at all and Timmy Thomas is still trapped in that cab with that psycho-fan cab driver lady, while he waits for “Peggy” to work out his credit card issue.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 03:48 PM ET
Not just any cab, but a “Boston Cab”... Boston people must HATE that commercial…
WIIM Twitter said he wasn’t there because he overslept: He was still on Boston Time.
*notmyrimshot*
Posted by Primis on 01/23/12 at 05:04 PM ET
How can it be both?
Because it’s such a perfunctory ceremony that means nothing, so he doesn’t feel the need to betray his beliefs and go to it in order to not “disrespect the office”.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:07 PM ET
I don’t know what Timmy’s reason were for skipping, but if they were indeed political, I think thats pretty catty, no matter who is President.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 05:09 PM ET
I think this is political grandstanding. It wasn’t Democratic candidate Obama who invited him; it was the president of all of us. Does Thomas think that members of the military should stop saluting the Commander in Chief if they disagree with his policy decisions?
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 03:36 PM ET
This comment is sensible and pretty much says it all. This is an apolitical event.
Classless move by Thomas IMO.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/12 at 05:09 PM ET
being rebelious is pretty American, I dig it. Courage of conviction, I dig it. Being your own man instead of worrying about making a bunch of nameless people happy, I dig it.
Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/23/12 at 05:15 PM ET
This is an apolitical event.
To you, maybe, but why are you allowed to decide whether or not Tim Thomas sees it as political or apolitical?
Does Thomas think that members of the military should stop saluting the Commander in Chief if they disagree with his policy decisions?
Wow, so you’re comparing playing hockey in the NHL to signing up to serve your country?
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:15 PM ET
Politely declining an invitation is not disrespectful. No citizen of this country is OBLIGED to meet the president, or accept an invitation to the White House.
If Thomas makes a statement along the lines of “I hate Democrats, and I’d rather spit in his face than shake his hand” THAT would be disrespectful.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 01/23/12 at 05:16 PM ET
After reading all the comments and giving it the amount of thought it deserves, all I can say is WHO CARES! I don’t look to atheletes for my political beliefs just like I don’t look to actors for how to vote. But hey… let’s make much ado aboot nothing.
Posted by calquake on 01/23/12 at 05:19 PM ET
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 01/23/12 at 04:16 PM ET
Well put.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:22 PM ET
Several outlets have reported that this was indeed a political statement. He informed Peter Chiarelli months ago that he would not attend.
Big fuching deal. I have no issue with this as I would have had no issue with a hockey player skipping out on meeting the last president.
In more important news, the spine specialist that Crosby is seeing still has yet to find his spine.
Wooooooooooo!
Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 01/23/12 at 05:24 PM ET
Chill out Garth. Just like Thomas, and, everyone else here, I am entitled to my opinion.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/12 at 05:29 PM ET
Because it’s such a perfunctory ceremony that means nothing, so he doesn’t feel the need to betray his beliefs and go to it in order to not “disrespect the office”.
How would attending a perfunctory ceremony that means nothing betray his beliefs exactly? Either the meeting has meaning or it doesn’t. If it does, then I can see where someone might (misguided and sad as it is) feel like attending would be a betrayl of their “beliefs” (whatever those might be). If it doesn’t have meaning, then what’s the point of not going and thus GIVING it meaning?
Whatever.
I guess we’re just lucky that someone from the Bruins didn’t run Obama from behind or go for his knees during the speech.
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 05:31 PM ET
We need to separate politics and sports. It bugs me when nationalist sentiment is ever-present at sporting events, and it bothers me that ALL presidents feel the need to have receptions for athletes. Until this stops, however, it should be consistent. If the NHL is going to have the militarism and the national anthems before the games, go the full 9 Timmy. There’s not much difference in visiting the White House and singing the anthem. Both represent the symbols of nation. Neither have anything to do with hockey, but be consistent.
It also bugs me to read other hockey fans’ political points of view, as I’m sure mine do them.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 01/23/12 at 05:33 PM ET
Politely declining an invitation is not disrespectful. No citizen of this country is OBLIGED to meet the president, or accept an invitation to the White House.
If Thomas makes a statement along the lines of “I hate Democrats, and I’d rather spit in his face than shake his hand” THAT would be disrespectful.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 01/23/12 at 04:16 PM ET
Thank you!
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 05:34 PM ET
Garth and J.J., thanks for reading my point of view. I’m not comparing playing hockey with serving in the military or failing to attend a photo op with the president with dereliction of duty. Instead I’m pointing out that most people can distinguish between respect for the position of Commander in Chief or the office of the presidency and respect or fondness for the person who currently occupies that role.
One should be able to respect the presidency without endorsing any particular president.
The fact that many people today cannot disentangle the person from the office is, I think, a symptom of our hypercharged political discourse, in which very few people can work with or even have productive discussions with people with whom they disagree.
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 05:37 PM ET
How would attending a perfunctory ceremony that means nothing betray his beliefs exactly?
The fact that it’s a hockey teams means nothing.
The fact that it’s a meeting with the president, whose policies Thomas presumably doesn’t agree with, means something.
If it doesn’t have meaning, then what’s the point of not going and thus GIVING it meaning?
Well gee, maybe that’s EXACTLY the point. To make a political point about a meeting with a political leader that people are pretending is apolitical.
Chill out Garth.
Excuse me? You get to decide for Tim Thomas what is and isn’t political, and you also get to decide if people are allowed to disagree with you?
misguided and sad as it is
Wow, it’s misguided and sad to not want to meet someone you don’t agree with or respect, just so that he can have a picture with a championship team?
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:44 PM ET
you salute the rank, not the man… i dont like Harper but he is PM and if i met him i’d still shake his hand… then proceed to purell it lol..
Posted by kenora_guy from Kenora, ON on 01/23/12 at 05:47 PM ET
Instead I’m pointing out that most people can distinguish between respect for the position of Commander in Chief or the office of the presidency and respect or fondness for the person who currently occupies that role.
Fair enough.
I just don’t think it’s disrespectful for a guy to quietly decline an invitation. I think Thomas could’ve easily gone the route of coming out publicly, before the ceremony, and saying that he wouldn’t spit in Obama’s face if his eyebrows were on fire, but he didn’t.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:48 PM ET
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 04:37 PM ET .
I appreciate the good tone of the entire comment.
As I said earlier, I feel that you can respectfully decline an offer from the president as a US Citizen without being disrespectful to the office.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 05:49 PM ET
i dont like Harper but he is PM and if i met him i’d still shake his hand…
Well you and I differ there. I absolutely wouldn’t shake his hand.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:50 PM ET
As I said earlier, I feel that you can respectfully decline an offer from the president as a US Citizen without being disrespectful to the office.
Well put. I think the fact that he did it quietly and without incident was being very respectful to both the man and the office.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 05:51 PM ET
you salute the rank, not the man
True.
No citizen of this country is OBLIGED to meet the president, or accept an invitation to the White House.
More true.
Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 01/23/12 at 05:51 PM ET
What I find perplexing is why no player ever dissed Bush when he was pretending to be president for 8 years. That guy royally screwed up this country. Obama’s not the best, but nowhere near as bad as W was.
Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 01/23/12 at 05:54 PM ET
and you also get to decide if people are allowed to disagree with you?
Never said that. I said I was entitled to my opinion. Everyone is certainly free to disagree with any comment I make.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/12 at 05:54 PM ET
From WIkipedia:
Thomas is a Republican and has stated that the person he would most like to have dinner with is conservative TV pundit Glenn Beck
I think that clears things up.
Posted by MoreShoot on 01/23/12 at 05:55 PM ET
What kind of sullied this whole thing is how Thomas said he’s going to Tweet about it later tonight? Seriously? Tweet it?
Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 01/23/12 at 05:56 PM ET
This debate got me thinking: Maybe the teams that win the cup don’t have a “stanley cup hangover” the next year. Maybe what actually happens to them is the incompetence from the White House rubs off on them. Think about it, the cup hangovers are a modern NHL phenomenon, right in line with the Bush/Obama administrations. The Madden Curse ain’t got nothin’ on the havoc the White House visit has caused SC champions…
Posted by cainer4wingsglory on 01/23/12 at 05:56 PM ET
Garth—I guess we’ll see how quiet he is when we see the soon-to-be-released facebook statement that Chia promised!
But seriously, I’m not sure it’s possible to “quietly decline” an invitation from the president. That’s as public as it gets. Maybe it’s not fair, but I suppose that being so successful at your career that you receive the invitation isn’t a bad problem to have.
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 05:57 PM ET
What I find perplexing is why no player ever dissed Bush when he was pretending to be president for 8 years. That guy royally screwed up this country. Obama’s not the best, but nowhere near as bad as W was.
Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 01/23/12 at 04:54 PM ET
Like when Yzerman went as the only teammember in ALL BLACK funeral attire?
Love’d that too.
Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/23/12 at 06:00 PM ET
It’s kind of silly that this photo op even happens. Have there been any presidents that are hockey fans? Obama’s probably like, “who are these guys? what sport?”
Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 01/23/12 at 06:00 PM ET
God bless Tim Thomas, my new hero!
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/23/12 at 06:08 PM ET
I hate when sports and politics mix. Admittedly, part of that is because I’m a liberal and most athletes and sports fans ... aren’t. But mostly, it’s because we like to think of our athletes as apolitical heroes. It doesn’t matter who you voted for—our passion for our favorite teams and players is one of the few things left that still unites us and doesn’t divide sharply on partisan lines. I’m sure there are more than a few of my message board friends out there who I would never, ever, ever be able to get along with in real life—but when we’re talking Red Wings hockey, none of that matters. We’re all together.
I’m not saying Thomas shouldn’t stand up for what he believes—that’s his right. I’m just saying it’s a little sad when sports become overly politicized.
Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/23/12 at 06:11 PM ET
From WIkipedia:
Thomas is a Republican and has stated that the person he would most like to have dinner with is conservative TV pundit Glenn Beck
I think that clears things up.
Posted by Denver Wings on 01/23/12 at 06:13 PM ET
I’m a liberal and most athletes and sports fans ... aren’t.
Can that statement in any way, shape, or form be backed up??
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/23/12 at 06:14 PM ET
@Ajax Do you want to know what is really disrespectful? Obama pissing all over the Constitution over and over and over and over again. You want to know what else is disrespectful? Obama going on an apologize for America tour like he did to his socialistic buddies in the UN and kowtowing to the UN every chance he gets.
I don’t blame Thomas for not going, I wouldn’t want to shake his hand either at a pointless photo op for a sport the Obmessiah couldn’t care less about.
I never thought we’d elect a worst President in the US than Jimmy Carter. And then we went and did it anyway. Sad. really sad.
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 06:14 PM ET
From WIkipedia:...
Posted by Denver Wings on 01/23/12 at 05:13 PM ET
You lose 
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/23/12 at 06:14 PM ET
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/23/12 at 05:14 PM ET
http://nmrpp.com/assets/NMRPPsportspolitics.pdf
Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/23/12 at 06:22 PM ET
I’d like to buy Mr. Thomas a beer.
Bravo.
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 01/23/12 at 06:23 PM ET
@Realmk from Boston. Heh! All righty then! Too many folks are waaaay too blinded by their own political views to think clearly here. Such is the way of the current political climate of this country. It’s pretty sad.
With that said… I’m outta here!
Ajax19 don’t get involved in politcal discussions on the internet. He’s too old and has been around too long to delve into such nonsense. It never goes anywhere and just makes people more angry and gets them more dug in. Totally fruitless and a complete waste of time.
Go Wings! Beat the Blues! Let’s try to do it without giving the other team at least one point for a change!
Posted by Ajax19 on 01/23/12 at 06:24 PM ET
“I find it disrespectful and un-American. He can make his own choices, of course, but that’s pretty juvenile”
Being American used to have something to do with thinking for youself. Now apparently it means being a Abu Ghraib lovin frightened obediant robot.
This just in: Free thought is an American value.
This also just in: Your country isn’t free you lot of crying fascists.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 06:26 PM ET
Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/23/12 at 05:22 PM ET
There is a big difference between “most” and “skews”.
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/23/12 at 06:26 PM ET
When the Fuhrer invites you, you say yes.
Who ever said it was a free country.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 06:28 PM ET
@Ajax Do you want to know what is really disrespectful? Obama pissing all over the Constitution over and over and over and over again. You want to know what else is disrespectful? Obama going on an apologize for America tour like he did to his socialistic buddies in the UN and kowtowing to the UN every chance he gets.
I don’t blame Thomas for not going, I wouldn’t want to shake his hand either at a pointless photo op for a sport the Obmessiah couldn’t care less about.
I never thought we’d elect a worst President in the US than Jimmy Carter. And then we went and did it anyway. Sad. really sad.
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 05:14 PM ET
Ask your doctor to check for any rectal obstructions, you seem a little constipated…
I don’t understand how conservatives can spend so many years fetishizing the Constitution and the office of the Presidency (especially the Reagan years), call Democrats un-American for criticizing Bush (which is hilariously antithetical to the idea of being American), and then declare no holds barred against Obama when the voters kicked them out of the driver’s seat.
Just goes to show that when you believe in nothing substantive, your beliefs don’t need substance.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 06:29 PM ET
Great point Bezukov.
No one has a clue what a democratic tradition actually means.
Those who label dissent unamerican are true-blue fascists.
There is no right or left in America, only one giant imperial war and torture machine.
As Bush put it, “you’re with us or against us”.
Uh-oh. Better not be un-American, or I’ll get shipped to Guantanamo for thought crimes.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 06:32 PM ET
I sure don’t want this to turn into a political debate folks. Next thing I will have someone from Fox calling me to debate the issue.
Try to remember this is a hockey site and we should be looking at this from that viewpoint.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/23/12 at 06:32 PM ET
Unconstitutional healthcare bill? Check, Refuse to make spending cuts and get the US credit rating bumped down for refusing to work with the GOP like he promised so many times during his campaign? Check.
Defy Congress with recess picks when they weren’t in a recess? Unconstitutional.
Should I keep going?
That’s what you liberals do however when you can’t debate facts, you run away or play the race card. Happy trails hippy.
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 06:33 PM ET
I don’t understand how conservatives can spend so many years fetishizing the Constitution and the office of the Presidency (especially the Reagan years), call Democrats un-American for criticizing Bush (which is hilariously antithetical to the idea of being American), and then declare no holds barred against Obama when the voters kicked them out of the driver’s seat.
So you don’t understand how two-party politics work then?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 06:33 PM ET
So you don’t understand how two-party politics work then?
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 05:33 PM ET
Touche’.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 06:35 PM ET
Ah yes, the two-party system. Also known as the perfect illusion of choice while everyone gets boned by the same handful of dudes, all the time. Basically the perfect way to keep any of you from having your say.
Which, if you are a fireman-worshipping, Abu Ghraib lovin, hippy-hating, god fearing, etc. (well you get the idea), is not such a bad thing right? Hoo-rah.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 06:42 PM ET
I thought Americans were taught to respect the President regardless of party, you know The Commander and Chief.
That pretty sad. Not sure what Obama has done to deserve such disrespect?
Its not like he took the country to war for 10 yrs over nothing?? Oh thats right, trying to give health care to the poor, prevent corruption on Wallstreet through regulation, tax the super rich 3% more, oh dear what a monster.
Remeber when the Dixie chicks made the Bush comment and all the hick republicans got all pissed because she disrespected the Pres.
All you guys who love Tim for his no show, were probably pissed at the Dixies. Smile, your a Tea Bagging Birth Certificate Loser.
Posted by RyanS from Calgary, AB on 01/23/12 at 06:43 PM ET
Disrespect…...you wanna talk about disrespect.When Obama didnt salute that flag to the country he wanted to be president of.THAT is disrepect.
I think it’s GREAT he took a stand and didnt go. Love ya more Tim
Posted by Bruins Fan on 01/23/12 at 06:47 PM ET
Freedom of speech. I love it! And, I do respect all opinions expressed here.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/12 at 06:49 PM ET
“I thought Americans were taught to respect the President regardless of party, you know The Commander and Chief.”
Oh yeah….Americans have been taught to obey and respect, regardless of personal feelings. Oh wait, that’s the Nazis.
Is it you lot too now? I guess that’s the debate you can have. Wait, is debate still allowed, or just in free-speech zones?
You all think you’re on opposite sides, but you are all on the side of unconditionally supporting the state as it strips you of your freedoms, left and right being exactly the same in this.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 06:50 PM ET
I’ll add, I can’t stand our Prime Minister, don’t agree with his polictics at all, but last year I was at a function and I shook his hand, because in the end he is the leader of our country and my fellow CDNs voted his party in, so I respect that and honor the position.
Of course we don’t seem to hate people who have different polictical thoughts like you do down there.
Posted by RyanS from Calgary on 01/23/12 at 06:55 PM ET
No one has a clue what a democratic tradition actually means.
America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democracy.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/12 at 06:57 PM ET
This notion that Thomas was being unamerican by declining this honor is risible. The head of state, or even the office of the head of state is NEVER synonymous with the country itself. It would be nice if more people remembered that. Timmah not liking the President says nothing about his Americanness.
Having said that, if I’m a Bruin PLAYER, there’s a high likelihood I’m pissed, Conn Smythe or not. If Thomas doesn’t want to shake the President’s hand over whatever it is he doesn’t like, there would have been easier ways to go about it that doesn’t create a distracting story that his teammates will have to answer uncomfortable questions about.
Basically, his need to make a statement represents Thomas putting his politics ahead of the team. As a spectator, I don’t care. If I was a player, especially a veteran, I would be irate.
Posted by Larry from pitt on 01/23/12 at 07:05 PM ET
Posted by Larry from pitt on 01/23/12 at 06:05 PM ET
I think you’re the first person to make this point. And I agree with you.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 07:12 PM ET
Wow….this sounds like an echo chamber of all the ugly political debate we have today in the USA. I teach my kids that they need to be informed citizens, come up with their own opinions but ensure that they are well thought out (even if they are different than mine), and respect the opinions of others. Not showing up today is disrespectful. I absolutely agree that Thomas has every right to think however he thinks, but I also believe that letting his political beliefs get in the way of respecting another human being, especially one who represents the office of the President, is wrong. I don’t care if this was just some prefunctory celebration. It is the wrong message to send to others. You disrespect the presidency, you disrespect what the country stands for…..the right to have diverse opinions but still be willling to work together to make the country great. If we can’t be in this together, then we are a failure as a country.
Posted by VAHockeyFan on 01/23/12 at 07:17 PM ET
After reading Thomas’ statement, I think even less of him than I did before. It is as if he’s saying, you aren’t doing what I want, so I’m taking all my marbles home and not playing with anyone. Maybe he should just find himself some desert island to live on so that he doesn’t have to deal with others who disagree with him. He is the one dragging politics into something that should just be a fun, totally nonpolitical event. Shame on him.
Posted by VAHockeyFan on 01/23/12 at 07:22 PM ET
Tim Thomas is a patriot. Period….and if that is considered a political statement we are all in trouble.
God Speed, Mr. Thomas, you’ve made a new friend in me today….and maybe interested me in purchasing a ticket to see you play the next time you come to town.
Posted by The Hurricane on 01/23/12 at 07:25 PM ET
Don’t have any problem with Tim Thomas having an opinion.
...but Hockey’s a team sport, and there’s no ‘I(NDIVIDUAL)’ in team.
This might have been a big day for some of his teamates and for his hockey club. He made it about him.
Posted by Da lil Guy from Ottawa on 01/23/12 at 07:25 PM ET
But seriously, I’m not sure it’s possible to “quietly decline” an invitation from the president.
Oh, “seriously”?
How about the fact that he didn’t bring it up and the team didn’t bring it up and that the subject was broached by the media, to which Chiarelli responded?
Explain please how that is not quietly declining the invitation?
Garth—I guess we’ll see how quiet he is when we see the soon-to-be-released facebook statement that Chia promised!
What he does later is immaterial.
The fact that he’s responding to people after the fact has no bearing on whether he was quiet before the ceremony and during it.
Maybe he decided that he needed to respond to some of the people on facebook calling him a lunatic and deriding his beliefs, calling him a clown a douche and a “dick splash” and saying he humiliated the city, that he’s a pussy and a redneck and that he’s an embarrassment to his country.
A *#$%@& embarrassment to his country because he didn’t go to a *#$%@& ceremony at the white house.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 07:27 PM ET
In my humble opinion, thats pretty childish. I’ve been hearing the “back in my day” / “what is this country coming to?” / “moral decay” argument my whole life. I’m pretty sure the same argument was made when Rome was no longer a kingdom and became a republic, and later an empire. It turns out that humanity survived. Spare me the eschatological lecture Tim Thomas. The slippery slope is a logical fallacy, and I wish more people understood that.
But more than anything else, Tim Thomas always seemed like a bigger person than what he has shown us today. Disagree if you must (its your prerogative), but I think its poor form.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 07:33 PM ET
If we can’t be in this together, then we are a failure as a country.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...but Hockey’s a team sport, and there’s no ‘I(NDIVIDUAL)’ in team.
I will bet money that he’s not boycotting any Boston Bruins games, and last I checked this wasn’t an NHL game being played at the white house but merely a photo op, so that’s a moot point.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 07:34 PM ET
I still don’t find it disrespectful, to the president, or to his team mates. He is one of TWO U.S. citizens on the Boston Bruins. I find it hard to believe that all those Canadian and European players really care all that much about meeting President Obama. I also find it hard to believe that the rest of the team was not told months ago that he didn’t plan on going, and why.
Additionally, If I were on a team with someone, I absolutely WOULD NOT want them to do anything that might impugn their integrity. Tim Thomas clearly felt that it would harm his personal integrity and be hypocritical to attend today’s functions. I applaud him for doing what his convictions demand of him.
While I may not agree with him 100%, I admire that he stood up for his beliefs.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 01/23/12 at 07:35 PM ET
but I think its poor form.
Better than he stand up there and disingenuously shake Obama’s hand.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 07:35 PM ET
Tim Tim is a millionaire. Obama is one too. So is Tim’s ‘owner’ and friends, and Obamas friends. He could at least exercise a little class courtesy.
Posted by MoreShoot on 01/23/12 at 07:39 PM ET
“I absolutely agree that Thomas has every right to think however he thinks”
But you don’t agree that he should do what he wants. You are all free to think what you want, so long as you shut up and obey.
Just how many of you are going to support the theory of dissent, while condemning its practice?
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 07:40 PM ET
I’m pretty sure the same argument was made when Rome was no longer a kingdom and became a republic, and later an empire. It turns out that humanity survived.
I don’t want it to seem like I’m just picking your statements specifically, but while humanity survived, Rome did not, and the human condition worsened when Rome fell.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 07:41 PM ET
How can anyone disagree with his statement? It is completely non-partisan and quite accurate. I hate both sides of the completely phony political debate in America, and I totally agree with him.
No doubt many will assume he is a bushite, but nothing in his statement suggested that, rather the opposite.
Wow. I feel grudging respect for a Brute. What’s next, one of these guys gonna read a book?
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 07:48 PM ET
People….It was a congratulatory ceremony! It was also about sports! Thomas was the one who politicized this. After reading all the back and forth political jibberish on this post, I am more convinced than ever that sports and politics should never be mixed.
Posted by VAHockeyFan on 01/23/12 at 07:51 PM ET
Garth—
I must not be expressing myself very well, since this is the second time I have offended you. Let me say it in a different way:
Tim Thomas may well have declined the invitation in a very discreet way (although I think that Chiarelli announced quite early in the afternoon that the facebook statement would be coming out later, so perhaps it wasn’t written in response to the uncouth language you quote (which, I would like to point out, I have not used)).
However, it seems to me that public notice, attention, and debate was unavoidable once Thomas made the decision to skip the ceremony, no matter how little (or how much) he said himself. Fair or not, people will notice and have an opinion when a public figure does (or fails to do) some action in public.
In that sense, Thomas knew (or at least should have had it pointed out to him by the team) that his actions would not pass by “free from noise and uproar.”
So, yes, I am serious when I say that it might not be possible to “quietly decline” an invitation from the president.
Posted by Ken on 01/23/12 at 07:51 PM ET
Thomas was the one who politicized this.
It’s kind of hard not to politicize meeting with a politician.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 07:53 PM ET
I’m a Bruins fan and think he’s a great goalie, but it was a douche move on his part. If i were to win the cup and ‘lil Georgie Bush himself invited my team to the White House, i’d still attend. It’s not about politics, Tim Thomas, or any individual, it’s about celebrating the accomplishment of the team. Kind of surprised a hockey player would overlook that. What’s next, a winning team captain will refuse to be handed the cup from Gary Bettman over a differance of opinion on how the league is ran?
Posted by sean_o_sean on 01/23/12 at 07:55 PM ET
Oh you’re all wits you are. Great stuff. Maybe we should mix sports and bullshit more often. I’m havin a blast.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 07:56 PM ET
@ Sean…. so if Hitler offered you a medal after your great work in the ‘36 Olympics (for wrestling, we’ll say), you’d accept it cause it’s about sports, not politcs, right?
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 07:59 PM ET
His INDIVIDUAL decision is already affecting his teammates. NHL Live is asking Bergeron about it. No one lives in a vacuum.
Posted by VAHockeyFan on 01/23/12 at 08:00 PM ET
That poor Bergeron being subjected to *gasp* QUESTIONS FROM THE MEDIA!
I sure hope that he makes it through this ok.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 08:06 PM ET
but I think its poor form.
Better than he stand up there and disingenuously shake Obama’s hand.
Posted by Garth on 01/23/12 at 06:35 PM ET
Attending and presumably shaking hands with Obama at a reception put on in honor of the Bruins does not amount to an endorsement of Obama’s policies. Obama wasn’t asking for a campaign donation for goodness sake, just an opportunity to say congratulations.
I don’t want it to seem like I’m just picking your statements specifically, but while humanity survived, Rome did not, and the human condition worsened when Rome fell.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/23/12 at 06:41 PM ET
I don’t take offense JJ. One could argue that “Rome” in a sense continued on under the auspices of the Church… but getting into a semantic argument would only serve to distract from my point. The point of the analogy was to show that people have been making “the sky is falling” kind of statements for as long as we’ve had language. Its the logic, not the history that I wanted to convey in the comment. Sure Rome is gone, but civilization survived. I’m not calling anyone a fascist here, but over the last century fascist regimes used this same sort of “end times” imagery (in reference to their nations and cultures) to make their points. I just find that tone abhorrent when its used in political discourse, because its a meaningless ploy. I hope that clears up what I was trying to say.
If Thomas really does think that way (w/o all the baggage I just referenced), I suggest he should take some logic and rhetoric courses over the offseason. If Tim Thomas wanted to go on CNN tonight and offer some thoughtful commentary on the path of American politics, that would be a different matter. However, snubbing the President and citing the “America is tumbling down the mountainside” argument just doesn’t draw water with me. I think Thomas’ non-partisan tack in his comments stinks of partisan cheekiness.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 08:20 PM ET
@ Sean…. so if Hitler offered you a medal after your great work in the ‘36 Olympics (for wrestling, we’ll say), you’d accept it cause it’s about sports, not politcs, right?
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 06:59 PM ET
Tuxedo, with all respect, for that comparison to work Obama would need to be on the same moral level as Hitler. Now some people on here might honestly think that…. but since you seem like a reasonable person I hope you’ll admit that this isn’t a fair question to put to sean o sean.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 08:30 PM ET
@Bezukov Obama doesn’t respect this country, and he makes it obvious all the time with his words and actions.
Thomas’ statement is correct, government on the whole is too big and has gotten away from it’s intended function, that goes for Dems and Repubs, It’s no longer what can we do to make the US better, it’s how can I get relected and push my party agenda at the same time.
Which when it comes to Obama, it’s socialism, a lack of personal responsibility and more taxes. I think people tend to forget that top 1% they’re so upset about? Yeah they already pay over 50% of the taxes in the US. The bottom 15%? That percent that gets all the welfare? pay nothing.
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 09:35 PM ET
Whoa there man. This is not about the actual moral level of a leader, it is about the right to opinions based on perception. Keep in mind, Hitler was a well-respected world leader in 1936. Henry Ford accepted a medal from him, and no one said boo. However, many people thought he was an evil bastard that would lead to trouble. These people were shouted down as “un-American” (I think you know what I mean).
Some people are saying that you have to accept an invitation by the country’s leader no matter what. This logic was certainly dominant in Nazi Germany. I am not comparing Obama to Hitler (though Bush is close)......but I am using the extreme example to get the point across. I am comparing one world leader to another; as in, if an athlete MUST attend his leader’s ceremony, then surely you would agree if Hitler was that leader.
History can judge morality after the fact. But in the present, it takes a bit of bravery to make your own call. I understand that the political rhetoric is out of control down there, so it looks like I am just smearing wildly, and I get that because of that some people will be so angry that they won’t read closely.
Anyway, I am glad I seem reasonable. But I will certainly do what you won’t, which is call people fascists. I will gladly call everyone who believes in worshipping the flag, no matter how Abu Ghraibs there are abroad, no matter how people have been disappeared into camps, a fascist. Most Americans are fascists now since the consensus is that dissent is un-American, and that crime is terrorism. Since it is thought to be dangerous and unpatriotic to question the official lies of the secret police or to question the presence of troops deploying in our own streets.
History offers many lessons on what is happening in America. (Hysterics over Obama being evil are part of that insanity, and it’s fair enough if I rub you the wrong way on account of that - I certainly don’t think he is evil or good, just the same as the rest.)
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 09:37 PM ET
Realmk….............Hitler agreed with you too.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 09:41 PM ET
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 08:35 PM ET
I think it’s time for you to step away from your keyboard…or I’ll start calling you Tony.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 01/23/12 at 09:45 PM ET
Anyway Bezukov, I am a fan of your posts and appreciate your attempt to keep this civil. I may be insulting, but I hope it is not mindlessly insulting.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 09:48 PM ET
@Bezukov Obama doesn’t respect this country, and he makes it obvious all the time with his words and actions.
Thomas’ statement is correct, government on the whole is too big and has gotten away from it’s intended function, that goes for Dems and Repubs, It’s no longer what can we do to make the US better, it’s how can I get relected and push my party agenda at the same time.
Which when it comes to Obama, it’s socialism, a lack of personal responsibility and more taxes. I think people tend to forget that top 1% they’re so upset about? Yeah they already pay over 50% of the taxes in the US. The bottom 15%? That percent that gets all the welfare? pay nothing.
Posted by Realmk from Boston on 01/23/12 at 08:35 PM ET
Paul asked for the discussion to be about Tim Thomas/hockey, not about political opinions. I’m going to honor that request. If you really want tell me the true tale of your vapidity and the emotionalism of your opinion making process; you’re welcome to create a profile and message me privately.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 09:49 PM ET
Anyway Bezukov, I am a fan of your posts and appreciate your attempt to keep this civil. I may be insulting, but I hope it is not mindlessly insulting.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 08:48 PM ET
Hey tux, no offense or insult taken my man. I want to respond to your last big comment, but its gonna wait for intermission. Allow me too to return the compliment on your posts, I enjoy the repartee.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 09:54 PM ET
It’s cowardly to post without registering.
RealMK, you’re nothing but an echo chamber. We’ve heard it all before from the same “news” media outlets you’re getting it from. Paul asked that this not be about politics, but about sport. Please knock it off or I’ll feel compelled to feed the troll and show the idiocy of your statements.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 01/23/12 at 09:58 PM ET
Okay me too. I am sorry Paul. I am done.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 09:59 PM ET
How do you message privately?
I am a new member. And pretty bad with computers.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 10:03 PM ET
Okay me too. I am sorry Paul. I am done.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 08:59 PM ET
I think its alright to talk about politics so long as we are talking about it as it relates to Tim Thomas. Paul, please tell me if I’m wrong on that.
Anyway, RealMK only seems interested in talking about Obama, and I’m not going to play that game with him on an open forum.
Whoa there man…. just the same as the rest.)
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 08:37 PM ET
Haha, when I saw the breadth of your post I figured I was going to have a large response. Now that have a better understanding of your point to sean o sean, it seems you and I have no point of dispute.
Well said mon frer!
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 10:19 PM ET
It’s all OK bezukov, just don’t want it to turn into a political post.
Continue on.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/23/12 at 10:20 PM ET
Oh, Americans (just kidding….my mom’s American). It’s “frere”.
Fist tap.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 10:21 PM ET
How do you message privately?
I am a new member. And pretty bad with computers.Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 09:03 PM ET
Go to your Profile, then private message.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/23/12 at 10:22 PM ET
How do you message privately?
I am a new member. And pretty bad with computers.Posted by tuxedoTshirt from Victoria on 01/23/12 at 09:03 PM ET
Well, its seems that the email function doesn’t work (at least for regular members anyway). No matter, if someone wants to contact me privately, I’m sure it can be made to happen.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 10:22 PM ET
Man, just when I thought KK couldn’t get any cooler. Thanks a lot.
Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 01/23/12 at 10:26 PM ET
Go to your Profile, then private message.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/23/12 at 09:22 PM ET
Beggar that I am, I am ever poorer in thanks.
I appreciate the help Paul.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 01/23/12 at 10:28 PM ET
You know you a redneck when…
PS Has anyone ever seen Timmy Thomas and Joe the Plumber in the same room? I’m not saying anything - I’m just asking questions that need to be asked.
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