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Having “A Hockey Discussion” with The Puck Stops Here
by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 08:24 AM ET | View all posts by J.J. from Kansas
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If you\‘re familiar with the Kuklas Korner stable of blogs and haven\‘t blocked any of them yet, then you\‘re very likely familiar with the Blog The Puck Stops Here. Actually, if you\‘ve blocked any of the blogs on Kuklas Korner from your main page feed (a very cool feature rolled out recently to members), then it\‘s even more likely that you\‘re familiar with this blog.
The Puck Stops Here is one of the bloggers who has been with the site for a long time. His posts are often pieces that are designed to take a statistical look at the world of hockey and make sense of the confusion. Sometimes he jumps to erroneous conclusions (like when he angrily typed up a missive in his own comments stating that he feels he would make a better GM than Steve Yzerman... to quote him \“I watch games regularly. I have a far better background in statistics than Steve Yzerman does and can make much more sense of the numbers behind the game than he would ever hope to.\”) and sometimes he comes up with very thought-provoking material. Unfortunately, woe be to the poor soul who disagrees with a conclusion brought about by TPSH.
A recent example of this happened just yesterday, as TPSH posted a blog called \‘Early Top Defenseman\’. In this writeup, he names Dion Phaneuf as the front-runner for the Norris Trophy after only eight games. This is one post in a series he\‘s done in the past and will likely continue to do where he tracks trophy candidates from the beginning of the season right up until it\‘s time to explain what broken reasoning the PHWA used when disagreeing with his picks for the various pieces of postseason hardware.
As usual, there are people who disagree that one should be going so far as to say \“Norris Front Runner\” on this side of Halloween. When faced with this criticism, TPSH responded as such:
Some of the commenters here must not be interested in hockey as they would rather say its too early in the season than discuss hockey. That is a shame.
This is a tone often employed by this author when faced with criticism. He often becomes accusatory and patronizing. If you\‘re at all familiar with my history on that site, you\‘ll know what came in response:
Hooray logical progressions!
TPSH claims that commenters who do not wish to discuss end of season awards in October are not interested in hockey.
THEREFORE, it can be logically inferred that TPSH doesn’t consider hockey to be anything more than the sum of the postseason NHL awards given out.
Trying to fight fire with fire, TPSH responded with this:
It can be logically inferred that JJ is just here to be a smart ass. He obviously doesn\‘t want a serious conversation about anything.
To be honest, that\‘s a fairly good comeback from somebody who I feel has the emotional range of a toaster. Unfortunately, from here, the situation devolved. I made attempt after attempt to answer the charge that I don\‘t want a serious conversation about anything only to see my comments repeatedly deleted. TPSH\‘s reasoning for deleting my comments are numerous and varied, but they all come down to the same thing in the end: that my comments in response to this accusation are not sufficiently hockey-related to remain public.
This is to say nothing about how hockey-related the comment that I\‘m just here to be a smart ass and that I obviously don\‘t want a serious conversation about anything is, just that apparently, I\‘m not allowed to have a serious conversation about a topic that TPSH first brought up.
After several tries to get my comments accepted and several taunting emails from him about how he would not let that happen, I settled on posting \“I want a serious conversation, but you keep deleting my comments.\” The only reason I can think that he would delete this one is that he does not want people to know that he deletes comments of those who disagree with him. To TSPH, the concept of \“winning\” an argument is more important than having a discussion. What\‘s more on his blog, he is allowed to take personal shots at the intelligence or hockey-dedication of his commenters, but he will not accept similar responses, even if he\‘s the one to bring up the subject in the first place.
In my opinion, this is cowardly and childish behavior from a blogger. I, like many other commenters have found that his answer for persistence in asking that he follow the rules he sets for his commenters is to eventually start editing their comments in a way so as to put words on the screen that you did not type. I was warned via email that persisting to demand to be allowed to answer the accusation that I\‘m not interested in having a serious conversation about anything would lead to this and found that my last comment had been changed to this:
I would like to see Dion Phaneuf on the Detroit Red Wings.
edit necessary to make it a hockey comment.
As of this writing, I have still not received an answer from him about how calling me a smart ass and saying it\‘s obvious I don\‘t want to have a serious conversation is a hockey comment.
But I\‘m not going to worry about that… Instead, I\‘m going to take advantage of Kuklas Korner\‘s great blog-blocking feature. Thank you for making this a possibility, Paul. I only hope that being ignored doesn\‘t drive TPSH to troll others even louder so that he can use his tyrannical rule over his own little blog to make himself feel powerful.
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Comments
I second the love. Great post.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 10:01 AM ET
Seriously? He edited your comments?
To me, that’s a pretty big deal.
If a blogger edited my comments I’d never bother visiting that site again.
Not only is it incredibly childish, but it’s also bordering on slander as these words are being forced into someone’s mouth - or keyboard if you will.
I hope Paul puts an end to this.
If a blogger wants to present a piece about how a player is in the lead of a major individual award 3 weeks into the season, then he has to be prepared for some light ribbing for doing so.
If he can’t, then perhaps he needs to find a different audience or develop thicker skin.
Posted by Hank1974 on 10/26/11 at 10:02 AM ET
On another note, I used to try to debate many of his points, when he had an obvious logical fallacy or just jumped to a conclusion without the necessary facts. Damn near every one of my posts were deleted, while he responded with insults. He’s a complete joke.
I will admit, I do read the blog, but only because of the train wreck effect. I want to see what ridiculous fallacy he comes up with next.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 10:07 AM ET
Seriously? He edited your comments?
He’s edited and deleted several of my comments. It usually involves him deleting my comment and sending me a email, then if I continue to attempt to post “deletable” comments, he will send a taunting email that basically says I need to stop attempting to comment or he’s going to edit my comments as he sees fit.
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 10:07 AM ET
He’s got a pretty long track record of deleting comments which disagree or which even call him out for deleting comments.
Editing them is the bigger problem for me. While he at least paid me the courtesy of putting a line in the comment of mine that he edited that made it clear he had done so, other commenters have not been so lucky. I’ve seen several occasions where he’s simply edited a comment to make it sound as though the person was “giving up”.
As far as yesterday’s debate went, I don’t have a problem with the basic concept of trying to keep the discussion hockey-related, but his was truly the first comment which went completely off-track as far as how tied back to the discussion at hand. If he’d have deleted his own comment, then there wouldn’t have been an issue.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 10:12 AM ET
Just one reason I don’t read or comment on his blogs anymore and thankful for the blocking system now in place. I think it’s the only one blocked right now.
Posted by Matt Fry from Winnipeg on 10/26/11 at 10:15 AM ET
I often check TPSH just to see what kind of foolishness he is writing about on any given day
Posted by dickshilling on 10/26/11 at 10:28 AM ET
He’s edited and deleted several of my comments. It usually involves him deleting my comment and sending me a email, then if I continue to attempt to post “deletable” comments, he will send a taunting email that basically says I need to stop attempting to comment or he’s going to edit my comments as he sees fit.
What the heck? That’s not cool.
Haha, I’ll admit, I can be as childish as they come at times, but if you’re a blogger, on a very respected site, you should be held to a higher standard.
Deleting or editing comments because someone doesn’t agree with you is reprehensible.
Posted by Hank1974 on 10/26/11 at 10:37 AM ET
Holy crap JJ, what did you do to piss in that guys cheerios?
What, oh you disagreed with him?
All dissent must be silenced, didn’t Hitler try that in the 1930’s?
If I were to hazard a guess, Mr. TPSH dares not have an intellectual debate on his theory with you - lest you prove him wrong; therefore you must be silenced.
Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 10/26/11 at 10:53 AM ET
Lol, this is why I took advantage of the new, nifty feature and blocked that psycho the first second it was available.
I often cringed reading the exchanges between you two and wondered how you managed to do it, J.J.. - you’re a better man than I.
My comments were also regularly deleted, but, in fairness, they probably weren’t the most complimentary towards Capn’ Stats.
A great way to start my morning, J.J. - thanks.
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 10/26/11 at 11:00 AM ET
Mr. TPSH dares not have an intellectual debate.
Fixed. (But not edited.)
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 11:04 AM ET
Count me on your side JJ. I stopped reading because I felt he was intentionally writing nonsense just to get hits and I’m not going to be his flunky. You cannot debate with him becasue the premise of his blogs are Fact: I am right, False: anything you say that disproves my theory..
Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 10/26/11 at 11:08 AM ET
hockey1919, I don’t believe he writes to create hits, he writes on the topics he decides to but by no means is he fishing for hits.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 11:10 AM ET
I think TPSH is a putz. He attempts to use statistics to prove that which is impossible to quantify mathematically. I took statistics in college (Our main text was “How to lie with statistics”) and I understand the way they could be used to justify some facet of evaluation of some hockey players.
I have repeatedly commented on his erroneous conclusions. He has deleted them. If he edits something I say, I will have a serious discussion with this host, for sure. That is unacceptable.
Every once in a while, he hits the nail on the head. No one can be perfect all the time. In general though, he is a total waste of bandwidth.
Thank you, JJ for bringing this topic to public attention. It has needed to be said for some time.
Incidentally, Dion Phaneuf is much too egocentric to ever be effective with the Red Wings.
Doc
Posted by DocF on 10/26/11 at 11:11 AM ET
Nice job, JJ.
The funniest thing of all this is that if he’s a real stat guy, he should know that one of the golden rules is SAMPLE SIZE. It just looks silly to start writing posts about postseason awards when we’re not even 10 games into the year.
Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 10/26/11 at 11:15 AM ET
For what it’s worth, I think stats can and should continue to be used and developed to better evaluate player performance, with the ultimate goal of projection of future. And I don’t think this is impossible. It is obviously much harder than with baseball, but I do think it is a worthwhile endeavor.
What chaps me about TPSH is that he doesn’t treat stats as a road to enlightenment. He treats them as gospel despite the fact that the metrics we have in hockey today are pretty immature and have lots of obvious holes.
The proper role of someone that’s a true stat-geek would be to look at all these metrics critically and attempt to enhance/improve/fix them to be a more accurate representation of the real results on the ice.
I’m not shitting on the advanced stats we have, like Corsi and zone starts, but they are so immature. It is worthwhile to look at these numbers the way TPSH does in his posts, but when there’s obvious gaps in these metrics, at most he points out the gap—there’s never any follow-up post with his own research attempting to fill the gap or provide a better alternative.
Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 10/26/11 at 11:20 AM ET
I try every once in a while…but only for the same reason that somebody would pick at a scab “Ouch…yep…still annoying”
And for the record, I think Phaneuf would be awesome on the Wings. Especially after all he’s produced this season. Vezina type numbers I tell you what!
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 10/26/11 at 11:24 AM ET
JJ, I blocked him the moment it was possible, and frankly wonder why anyone who has been here for any length of time would even bother to engage him on his blog, as I think it is a pointless endeavor. He is NOT interested in a discussion, or even a conversation. The ONLY thing he wants is sycophantic agreement and validation.
I am also highly amused that when fewer people are paying attention to him on his blog, he starts trolling A2Y.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 11:33 AM ET
I often cringed reading the exchanges between you two and wondered how you managed to do it, J.J.. - you’re a better man than I.
I guess I’m a glutton for punishment. Also, it doesn’t really bother me being called stupid by a person whose opinions on the topic I don’t value.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 11:40 AM ET
I blocked rainman the very day blocking became an option. I’m another one he routinely deleted. I don’t recall getting edited, just deleted and taunted. To date, this is the only blog I’ve blocked here.
I nearly didn’t read this blog based on the title alone, as I thought it might be an interview with that , um, “gentleman.”
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/26/11 at 11:43 AM ET
I don’t think I had the guy blocked before, but I rarely if ever actually clicked on his articles. Now I’ll block him.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 10/26/11 at 11:44 AM ET
I would definitely suggest that if you are tired of this behavior that you use the blog blocking feature now available. No readers means no revenue, means no reason for the blog.
Arguing with someone like this only provides page views and food for his ego. Provide neither and he’ll either modify his behavior to actually provide thought provoking content and spirited discussion (admittedly very unlikely) or go away.
Just because he has a blog doesn’t put him above the roll of troll - and we all know what you do NOT do with trolls…
Posted by gusoline on 10/26/11 at 11:45 AM ET
Just because he has a blog doesn’t put him above the roll of troll - and we all know what you do NOT do with trolls…
+1
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 11:47 AM ET
He’s deleted my comments in the past, and they were by no stretch out of bounds or rude. He just can’t stomach any criticism. TPSH blog is almost universally mocked on Kukla’s. The only time he gets more than 3 comments is when 10 of us are on their dismantling his confusing brand of logic. And then the petulant behavior and arrogant snark comes out. The last thread of his I participated in was related to him accusing the Flyers organization of unethical behavior related to the cap and IR rules.
The very first post presents very simple facts that provide a broader context to TPSH’s theory and, essentially, tears it down quite a bit. His response?
“Nitpicking at facts that often were not in the story does not change the fact….”
What? He takes umbrage that his readers might include facts that he himself was unaware of or chose to leave out. What these facts had in common was they all did undercut his theory. Apparently you’re only allowed to discuss the topic using the information he provides. This comment from him was really the last straw. In this thread, I made about 9 posts and only three are still shown. So he deleted a few of mine. Ironically, the last post I made was this:
“Please remove this post.” It was not removed.
I find this blogger to be thin-skinned, immature and unethical in how he hosts his threads. I also think that Kukla’s Korner should disassociate itself with it. It offers almost nothing useful and given the blogger’s obvious disdain for his readers, and the fact that this feeling is mutual, there is no reason to continue to give credibility to the guy at all.
His was the first and only blog I blocked when given the opportunity. In fact, Paul, when you first mentioned that you added that as a feature, that’s the first thing I thought of. Now I no longer get sucked in to reading his ridiculous posts about how sabermetrics shows that Jacob Kindl has the highest corsi rating for left handed scorpio defensemen in the Central Division who have had Lasik and also climb over the boards right leg first during a shift change. Calling something on the internet a literal waste of space sets a high bar, but TPSH has reached it.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 11:47 AM ET
Here’s something I think of when I get too annoyed on a blog or comments. It reminds me to shut up, and sometimes I actually do.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 11:53 AM ET
Now I no longer get sucked in to reading his ridiculous posts about how sabermetrics shows that Jacob Kindl has the highest corsi rating for left handed scorpio defensemen in the Central Division who have had Lasik and also climb over the boards right leg first during a shift change.
Haha… that’s not too far off!
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 10/26/11 at 11:57 AM ET
So JJ still does not want to discuss hockey?
I for one am curious why he doesn’t want Dion Phaneuf on the Detroit Red Wings.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 11:57 AM ET
I for one am curious why he doesn’t want Dion Phaneuf on the Detroit Red Wings.
This is not the main topic of the post above. Please keep your comments on-point.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 12:01 PM ET
The point is JJ appears to not like not discussing hockey on a hockey blog. Even with a many nudges in the direction of hockey he still wont go there.
Look I understand you have a man crush on me and want to discuss me all the time. But I am not a hockey topic. 
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 12:04 PM ET
I will let my reputation around this blog and the hockey blogosphere in general speak to my willingness to discuss hockey topics.
The NHL is not the topic of this particular blog entry. The lack of integrity and general childishness shown by The Puck Stops Here is the topic.
I’ll let your accusation that I have a crush on you and your leap to a conclusion that the one blog entry I’ve posted to point out your reprehensible behavior is evidence that I want to discuss you all the time stand as evidence of this childishness.
Thank you for helping to prove my point.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 12:09 PM ET
So JJ still does not want to discuss hockey?
Excuse me, but this is an article about your ridiculous need to delete and edit comments. If you don’t want to talk about that, JJ is going to delete your comment. (He’s a dick like that…)
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 12:09 PM ET
Even with a many nudges in the direction of hockey he still won’t go there.
Proper punctuation is important.
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 12:10 PM ET
Wow, suddenly TPSH’s avatar seems like an absolute bullseye.
Weirdo.
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 10/26/11 at 12:10 PM ET
I for one am curious why he doesn’t want Dion Phaneuf on the Detroit Red Wings.
Probably because the Wings have an ACTUAL multiple-Norris winner, not someone who has played like crap for several years but is having a decent stretch of games to start the season.
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 12:11 PM ET
I stopped taking this guy seriously the day he was trolling us on Abel to Yzerman. If his blog was a fan blog or a team based blog, I’d be alright taking a ribbing. After all, half the fun in sports is having it out with the other team’s fans. That’s fine.
However, the ethical situation is very different for a blogger who calls himself “a diehard hockey fan,” and makes commentary on the game at large. If you aren’t going to declare your team allegiance, thats fine with me, but don’t troll the fan blogs. That’s having it both ways.
I commented earlier this week how much I can’t stand the few individuals around the site who want to play coy about the team they root for, all while calling fans on this site who disagree with them biased. That also is childish, and I can’t believe he was deleting/editing your comments JJ. I guess that shows how much confidence he has in his opinions if he can’t stand anyone disagreeing with him.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 10/26/11 at 12:13 PM ET
Garth. The Red Wings also have Mike Commodore and players of his ilk. Phaneuf is better and its not even close.
See this is hockey discussion. Too bad JJ doesn’t like it.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 12:14 PM ET
Look I understand you have a man crush on me and want to discuss me all the time. But I am not a hockey topic.
that’s a weird response to all this.
I think JJ’s issue is that he, and many others, find it necessary to first discuss logic and your dubious use of statistics before any hockey talk can begin. you plant your flag firmly in a tiny corner you’ve created and for some reason you believe your logic to be ironclad and impenetrable when usually it is weak and leaky. you will not listen to reason or any other opinions that don’t conform to your own conclusion. you resort to snark and personal attacks and then attempt to take the high road by bringing up the “hockey talk” defense, as though the power of your logic has caused all your readers to cower into a lower form of communication and, if they were truly serious, they would keep it on topic. And by “on topic”, you typically mean “agree with me”.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 12:14 PM ET
TPSH- You’re actually Ryan Lambert, aren’t you?
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 10/26/11 at 12:14 PM ET
I, like many other commenters have found that his answer for persistence in asking that he follow the rules he sets for his commenters is to eventually start editing their comments in a way so as to put words on the screen that you did not type.
Tricycle Boy edited one of my posts a while back, changing the text to make it appear that I actually supported his position. To Paul’s credit, he read the riot act to The Petulant One. But now that I see how many others have had their posts deleted, and how some are still having their posts edited, I join with those who are asking that his blog be removed from KK.
It’s one thing to post nonsense (and I agree that Nathan’s description is not that far from the truth), but it’s a completely different thing to delete and edit posts simply because you don’t like what’s being said. It’s time for Mr. Deleto to load his calculator onto the back of his tricycle and peddle on out of here.
Posted by OlderThanChelios on 10/26/11 at 12:15 PM ET
Wow, suddenly TPSH’s avatar seems like an absolute bullseye.
Weirdo.
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 10/26/11 at 12:10 PM ET
Best post of the day.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 12:16 PM ET
so he deleted some comments. who cares? paul does it all the time with anti-wings stuff in A2Y blogs. it’s a “members-only” blog.
why would one of the other blog owners do any differently? TPSH deleted one of my comments…big deal.
a blog-fight? seriously?
sad.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:16 PM ET
TPSH- You’re actually Ryan Lambert, aren’t you?
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 10/26/11 at 12:14 PM ET
lol
Ryan Lambert’s inability to control his hatred of all things Red Wings makes it unlikely. TPSH doesn’t exhibit NEARLY enough anti-Wing vitriol for them to be the same person.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 12:21 PM ET
Call me naive to be shocked that Paul would continue to allow a blogger that deletes posters’ comments without a valid reason. What is even more disturbing is that TPSH hasd edited posters’ comments and is allowed to remain a blogger.
KK and WiiM are my favorite sites because of their quality and fairness. Editing someone’s comments is beyond words and makes me wonder about KK all around now.
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 12:23 PM ET
For the record. My comments have been editted twice ever (JJ and HockeyinHD - anyo9ne else claiming they had a comment editted is misinformed). Both times when somebody was a persistent troll who posted a deleted comment repeatedly and was told in an email beforehand if they dont stop I will edit the comment. Ther comment was editted to say something benign and hockey related.
If only these posters could learn that this is a place for hockey discussion.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 12:26 PM ET
Garth. The Red Wings also have Mike Commodore and players of his ilk.
Yeah, but Commodore is making $1M and is the 7th defenseman. And they also have Brad Stuart and Nik Kronwall who are actual good defensive players.
Anyhow, this is not the place for such discussion. Back you to being a douche…
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 12:26 PM ET
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 12:23 PM ET
I have never heard of any deletion or editing by Paul or other bloggers that was not warranted. I know Paul has deleted comments that have racist comments, or extreme personal attacks, but that’s all. I don’t know of any other blogger but TPSH who has engaged in this kind of activity.
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 12:27 PM ET
Call me naive to be shocked that Paul would continue to allow a blogger that deletes posters’ comments without a valid reason. What is even more disturbing is that TPSH hasd edited posters’ comments and is allowed to remain a blogger.
KK and WiiM are my favorite sites because of their quality and fairness. Editing someone’s comments is beyond words and makes me wonder about KK all around now.
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 12:23 PM ET
I don’t allow it. When it happened in the past, I did communicate my feelings about it with the TPSH.
I am still researching the most recent claims too.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 12:27 PM ET
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:16 PM ET
It’s pathetic that you don’t care if your posts are deleted or CHANGED.
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 12:28 PM ET
Yeah, but Commodore is making $1M and is the 7th defenseman. And they also have Brad Stuart and Nik Kronwall who are actual good defensive players.
Anyhow, this is not the place for such discussion
This is a hockey blog. This is the only hockey discussion underway.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 12:28 PM ET
It’s pathetic that you don’t care if your posts are deleted or CHANGED.
well when the owner of the site does the same, why would anyone be surprised?
i mean come on.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:30 PM ET
so he deleted some comments. who cares? paul does it all the time with anti-wings stuff in A2Y blogs. it’s a “members-only” blog.
why would one of the other blog owners do any differently? TPSH deleted one of my comments…big deal.
a blog-fight? seriously?
sad.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:16 PM ET
I don’t delete anti-Wings comments. If they are vulgar or just egging someone on, yes, they are deleted.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 12:30 PM ET
It’s pathetic that you don’t care if your posts are deleted or CHANGED.
well when the owner of the site does the same, why would anyone be surprised?
i mean come on.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:30 PM ET
I have never edited a comment. Continue with this I will start deleting comments.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 12:32 PM ET
If only these posters could learn that this is a place for hockey discussion.
Man, if only everyone agreed with you the world would be a better place. It’s this kind of comment that makes everyone keep this anti-you thread alive.
This is a hockey blog. This is the only hockey discussion underway.
Er, uh, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Keep moving, nothing to see here!
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 12:33 PM ET
For the record. My comments have been editted twice ever (JJ and HockeyinHD - anyo9ne else claiming they had a comment editted is misinformed).
Are you saying that you’ve never edited OlderThanChelios’ comments?
Because if you are saying that, you are lying.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 12:34 PM ET
Good memory JJ. You really are an expert in me. You know me better than I do.
It was older than Chelios that was the second case. Hockey in HD has never had a comment edited. I was wrong.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 12:35 PM ET
I don’t delete anti-Wings comments. If they are vulgar or just egging someone on, yes, they are deleted.
rrrrrrrrright. whatever you say.
i guess the next thing you’ll tell me is that you don’t ban posters that are anti-wings? and that you don’t allow A2Y members to break the site’s posting rules?
so you delete comments and ban posters…whatever. it’s your site. but at least man up and be honest about it.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:36 PM ET
TPSH- You’re actually Ryan Lambert, aren’t you?
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 10/26/11 at 12:14 PM ET
Win!
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 12:36 PM ET
If only these posters could learn that this is a place for hockey discussion.
You have still completely failed to explain what this comment has to do with a hockey discussion:
“It can be logically inferred that JJ is just here to be a smart ass. He obviously doesn\‘t want a serious conversation about anything. “
This comment had zero bearing on a hockey discussion, but since it was made by you, you did not delete it.
The blog post above was made to call attention to your do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do rules.
Good memory JJ. You really are an expert in me. You know me better than I do.
OTC says in the very comments of this post that you’ve done so. This is not a case of memory unless we’re talking short term. Read the comment Posted by OlderThanChelios on 10/26/11 at 12:15 PM ET
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 12:38 PM ET
I guess the next thing you’ll tell me is that you don’t ban posters that are anti-wings? and that you don’t allow A2Y members to break the site’s posting rules?
so you delete comments and ban posters…whatever. it’s your site. but at least man up and be honest about it.
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:36 PM ET
Wings fans have been banned for attacking other blogs. You just don’t see it.
This is no place to discuss this topic, email me if you have concerns.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 12:39 PM ET
I take an interest in media and how it has evolved with the internet. One constant theme I see is the blogging community’s concerns that they are not seen as ‘serious’ or on par with ‘real journalists’. To me, this is absurd because I find that good bloggers are much more serious and often a better source of information than the supposed real news outlets. Bloggers certainly take more interesting angles, and that is likely because they are free to take risks.
If a news organization routinely edited comments and removed comments without good cause from their websites, they would rightly be condemned for it. It is fundamentally unethical behavior from a journalist. So when bloggers like TPSH do this, it lowers the standing of all bloggers. And this is because TPSH is included as an official blog on a highly respected website.
Were TPSH some dude with a server in his apartment, literally wiping cheetos off his sweatshirt, nobody would care what he did or said on his blog. But he’s not. He’s listed on Kukla’s Korner and should be held to a higher standard.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 12:39 PM ET
This is no place to discuss this topic, email me if you have concerns.
that would work if you actually responded to emails. oh well.
bert mcgert = TPSH
did you miss the part where i said TPSH deleted one of my comments?
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:45 PM ET
did you miss the part where i said TPSH deleted one of my comments?
Oh, my bad.
Someone pretending to be a drooling supporter of himself would never claim injury as a (not so) clever ruse.
I’m sure Paul can check I.P. addys…
Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 10/26/11 at 12:48 PM ET
This is no place to discuss this topic, email me if you have concerns.
that would work if you actually responded to emails. oh well.
bert mcgert = TPSH
did you miss the part where i said TPSH deleted one of my comments?
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:45 PM ET
I’ve had enough of your lies.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 12:50 PM ET
I will say that in the past, Paul has been very good at recognizing and shutting down sock-puppeting.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 12:50 PM ET
did you miss the part where i said TPSH deleted one of my comments?
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:45 PM ET
Everybody needs a beard.
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 10/26/11 at 12:50 PM ET
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:16 PM ET
I suspect Paul deletes comments on A2Y when the comments are meant only to agitate and aren’t substantive. I’m not going to question his judgement here. I’m only going to say there is a distinction between deleting serious points of discussion and deleting peanut gallery comments.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 10/26/11 at 12:51 PM ET
SAMPLE SIZE. It just looks silly to start writing posts about postseason awards when we’re not even 10 games into the year.
This makes me want to run a attained power analysis. Maybe if i get some free time later today I’ll run one on the available defenseman data after 8-9 games.
Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 10/26/11 at 12:51 PM ET
Back to TPSH, I’ve had probably 50 comments deleted, includes multiple comments edited, deleting part of my post which disagreed with him. I admit, I did mock him in many of those comments, some of which deserved to be deleted, but many others were simply disagreeing with the point or topic subject, which he claimed was “non-hockey related,” and deleted or edited to change the tone of the comment. This completely pissed me off.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 12:56 PM ET
I’m sure Paul can check I.P. addys…
too late…paul has already banned the IP. :lol yeah, he’s totally honest!
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:57 PM ET
I’ve had probably 50 comments deleted, includes multiple comments edited, deleting part of my post which disagreed with him
This seems to disagree with TPSH’s claim that he’s only ever edited the comments of me and OlderThanChelios.
Either Chris is misinformed, as TPSH claims or TPSH is lying again.
Considering I have a very good history with Chris on this site and on others which have never shown me any indication that Chris either has a bad memory or a habit of making things up, but I do have a history with TPSH where I’ve found him to lie by either malice or omission on several occasions, I choose to believe that Chris is telling the truth.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 01:01 PM ET
I’m sure Paul can check I.P. addys…
too late…paul has already banned the IP. :lol yeah, he’s totally honest!
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:57 PM ET
I will continue to do so, you are lying and I do not appreciate that.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 01:02 PM ET
Chris has never had a comment edited by me. He is incorrect.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:03 PM ET
Posted by bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 12:57 PM ET
Of the dozen or so folks on this thread, you’re literally the only one who feels the way you do. Generally, I’d disagree that just because a lot of people think a certain thing means it’s true, but in this case I’ll go with that argument.
You’re wrong.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 01:03 PM ET
Continue the discussion but please let’s stop with the finger pointing because it won’t stop.
He deleted, no he didn’t, yes he did, maybe I’m wrong doesn’t add to the topic at hand.
Thanks.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 01:05 PM ET
Paul, thank you for clarifying and helping to restore my faith in KK. Just the fact that you are concerned enough to be following this closely says a lot about your interest in the quality of KK.
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 01:06 PM ET
oh man, i should go grab that email trail we had that basically shows you’re a dishonest clown.
Posted by the famous bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 01:07 PM ET
I would be very interested to see that.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 01:09 PM ET
PS: Can you give us an update on George. Not trying to be nosy or pry…just truly concerned about him cuz he’s been gone so long.
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 01:09 PM ET
Can you give us an update on George. Not trying to be nosy or pry…just truly concerned about him cuz he’s been gone so long.
Posted by wingsluver4ever from TC on 10/26/11 at 01:09 PM ET
I communicated with George yesterday, he hopes to be back sometime this week.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 01:13 PM ET
I wrote a similar fanpost a long time ago, in response to PSH deleting my comments.
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/kmb/comments/puck_stops_here_strikes_out_again/
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 01:15 PM ET
Back to the topic at hand, I still await explanation about how calling me a smartass and saying you don’t believe I want to have a serious discussion about anything is hockey-related.
I’m also curious as to why TPSH chose to make it appear as though I said I would like Dion Phaneuf on the Wings as part of a plan to steer the conversation back away from the topic that he had originally brought up (the topic of my willingness to have a serious discussion about anything, that is).
We have had this post up since this morning and I’ve been awaiting this explanation since the get-go. Since I was not allowed to have this conversation at the blog, I posted this in the members blog. There is no topic before this one.
This post is not on your blog, TPSH. You don’t get to decide the topic. You have consistently dodged accusations that you act hypocritically and that you troll your own readers.
At one point, your refusal to face these accusations is going to become a tacit admission that they are correct.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 01:16 PM ET
Continue the discussion but please let’s stop with the finger pointing because it won’t stop.
He deleted, no he didn’t, yes he did, maybe I’m wrong doesn’t add to the topic at hand.
Thanks.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 01:05 PM ET
Hey Paul, just delete them all.
Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 10/26/11 at 01:19 PM ET
JJ
This is a hockey blog. Even the member’s blog is a hockey blog. I would like to discuss hockey as much as is possible. This is not hockey but I have let you lead me off stream.
If you would like non-hockey discussed, a hockey blog is not the place you would like to be. You frequently wind up in these non-hockey topics. They are not welcome in my comments and are deleted as soon as it is clear that is where you are going. You are not going to get any further comment from me on the snit you got yourself into in my comments yesterday. You can get yourself into a new snit today or tomorrow and it probably won’t be addressed to your satisfaction either since it will be off the topic of hockey again.
It is best if we stay on the topic of hockey.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:22 PM ET
Posted by the famous bert mcgert on 10/26/11 at 01:07 PM ET
I would be very interested to see that.Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 01:09 PM ET
Except it probably doesn’t exist. If it does, it probably only illustrates “bert mcgert’s” sour grapes.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 01:17 PM ET
I remember reading those when you posted them. They were a huge factor in my decision to stop reading TPSH (for the most part, I’d get sucked in occasionally before we could block his blog).
I communicated with George yesterday, he hopes to be back sometime this week.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 01:13 PM ET
Awesome!
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 01:24 PM ET
I would like to mention that since I blocked TPSH, the QUALITY of KK has jumped tremendously.
And this thread is not a hockey blog. It is a hockey blog blog. The subject is blogs, not hockey.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/26/11 at 01:25 PM ET
Except it probably doesn’t exist. If it does, it probably only illustrates “bert mcgert’s” sour grapes.
that was my point. the guy is a troll with nothing to say.
It is a hockey blog blog. The subject is blogs, not hockey.
Yes. If an employee is taken to task for having a poor work ethic, taking long lunches and spending too much time commenting on hockey blogs, it is not right for the employee to dismiss that criticism because it isn’t directly related to the tasks of their job. Not that I’m that employee….
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 01:35 PM ET
I don’t have anything of much value to add here, other than I’ve seen what’s being said about TPSH and have to agree. It’s why I don’t read read the majority of his posts any more, but don’t have him blocked. I have the same issue with a user on another board: someone I’d love to block, but can’t because every so often they make valid points.
I’d be an avid reader of any JJ “blog” (Gordiedammit, I hate that word), however. Wit and common sense go a long way in the world, and he has both in spades.
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 10/26/11 at 01:35 PM ET
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:22 PM ET
Step One: Learn something about what makes a pseudo-intellectual, and why its embarrassing to act like one.
Step Two: Have enough intellectual honesty and respect for your own opinions to let them stand scrutiny.
Step Three: Admit when you’re wrong. We all will respect you for it.
Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 10/26/11 at 01:35 PM ET
I’d be an avid reader of any JJ “blog” (Gordiedammit, I hate that word), however. Wit and common sense go a long way in the world, and he has both in spades.
Posted by RedMenace from A State of Insanity on 10/26/11 at 01:35 PM ET
You do know he blogs at Winging It In Motown, don’t you?
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 01:38 PM ET
You had a broken link to TheLinkGoesHere‘s posting about Yzerman’s abilities and Greg’s (TheLinkGoesHere) assertion he would be a better GM than Steve.
I won’t block blogs, but Greg’s repeated insitence of deleting comments, or editing them, for little to no reason leave me little inclination to respond to his grammar-school quality postings. This Yzerman article was an exception, and frankly I am surprised he didn’t delete all my comments (although he did delete a few in that post alone).
Hockey discussion dies at Greg’s blog. He refuses to accept criticism or opposing perspectives without resorting to laughable logical fallacies or immature name-calling.
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 10/26/11 at 01:40 PM ET
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:22 PM ET
Hey, as has been said, the great thing about “user blogging” is…
... wait for it…
... wait for it…
... the BLOGGER gets to decide the topic. If you don’t like the topic, don’t read it. This isn’t your piece, it’s JJ’s. Your insistence that *this* is a “hockey blog” is incorrect—this particular piece is a commentary regarding the policies and actions (perceived or otherwise) of another blogger on the Kukla’s Korner website, which is not your site.
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 10/26/11 at 01:43 PM ET
You do know he blogs at Winging It In Motown, don’t you?
Posted by Forlorn in VA on 10/26/11 at 01:38 PM ET
Maybe I did, but then again it’s yet another hockey site I have to visit. If he only blogged (vomit) here… 
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 10/26/11 at 01:44 PM ET
Chris has never had a comment edited by me. He is incorrect.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:03 PM ET
Please don’t lie. I have an email from you admitting it. My sn at the time was moore00. You stated the following in response to me asking you to stop editing my comment:
Chris the alternative was to remove the entire post. I think I made the better choice, because the hockey discussion is worthwhile
You edited a comment which altered the tone of my comments, then edited my second comment which asked you to stop editing my comments.
I only wish to defend myself as I am an co-author of a fairly well known blog in the blogosphere and really don’t want to be considered a liar. With that said, I’ll stop as Paul requests.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 01:45 PM ET
Chris
I do not recall this discussion you are talking about. I am uncertain that it ever occurred.
If I have forgotten it, I am sorry.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:51 PM ET
Chris
I do not recall this discussion you are talking about. I am uncertain that it ever occurred.
If I have forgotten it, I am sorry.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:51 PM ET
It did.
Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 10/26/11 at 01:59 PM ET
If you would like non-hockey discussed, a hockey blog is not the place you would like to be. You frequently wind up in these non-hockey topics. They are not welcome in my comments and are deleted as soon as it is clear that is where you are going. You are not going to get any further comment from me on the snit you got yourself into in my comments yesterday. You can get yourself into a new snit today or tomorrow and it probably won’t be addressed to your satisfaction either since it will be off the topic of hockey again.
Aside from the various excellent comments above which point out this is a blog about a hockey blog and therefore blogging is the topic of discussion, I am going to take this as a tacit admission that you have no answer for the charge that you are the one who drove the topic of discussion away from hockey and then started deleting comments without deleting the one which was the reason the discussion was put off-track.
Keep repeating to yourself over and over what kind of discussion should be going on in the comments of this particular blog post, but you are not the author and you do not have the authority to tell the readers what they should and should not be discussing here.
If I were as childish as you are, I would have deleted all of the comments above which had anything to do with Dion Phaneuf, as those comments were off-topic.
I do not recall this discussion you are talking about. I am uncertain that it ever occurred.
If I have forgotten it, I am sorry.
Translation:
I’m sorry IF I’M WRONG, but since you can’t prove that because the proof is what I’ve made wholly dependent upon what I can remember, I don’t actually have to apologize.
This is another example of the face-saving doublespeak in which TPSH will engage. He doubts this conversation happened because he claims he can’t remember it. If it indeed did happen, then (and ONLY then), is he sorry. However, the entire topic comes down to his word against Chris’
I’ve said before and I’ll say again; I trust Chris is telling the truth. I believe TPSH is lying and has come out with this magnanimous and contingency-based apology as a way to save ego.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 02:00 PM ET
It is arguable that TPSH never blogs about hockey - he blogs about statistics and measures. He blogs about numbers. He does not blog about dynamic interactions and intangible aspects of the game that makes it much more than a compilation of numbers on a stat sheet. The actual hockey is not to be found in the box score.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/26/11 at 02:12 PM ET
I must have missed the part where I said TPSH ever edited my posts when he claimed that someone said he edited my posts.
I’m assuming this doublespeak, disingenuosity and distortion are the sort of thing you were talking about JJ? 
For the record, TPSH, best of luck in your future endeavors blogging elsewhere, considering how you’ve managed to pretty firmly bollocks things up here. I doubt Paul’s going to dump you right away, but if you make it through the whole year here I’d be shocked. I don’t think Paul is going to want his brand damaged by what you appear to be all about.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 10/26/11 at 02:24 PM ET
Posted by HockeyinHD on 10/26/11 at 02:24 PM ET
I hear Yahoo is a good place to be…
Posted by RedMenace from the darkest recesses on 10/26/11 at 02:37 PM ET
is having a decent stretch of games to start the season.
Decent stretch of games? Garth, you dumass, he’s a lock for the Vezina. Stats don’t lie.
Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom's head telling him 1 more year on 10/26/11 at 03:01 PM ET
Decent stretch of games? Garth, you dumass, he’s a lock for the Vezina. Stats don’t lie.
Hey, this isn’t a blog about locks! JJ, delete this guy’s comment please!!
Posted by Garth on 10/26/11 at 03:25 PM ET
It is best if we stay on the topic of hockey.
Posted by PuckStopsHere on 10/26/11 at 01:22 PM ET
I’m sure that would be best – for you. But as others have pointed out, Tricycle Boy, JJ’s post/blog is about your actions as a blogger, not about your so-called knowledge of hockey.
And, if I’m not mistaken, J.J. is a lawyer so trying to argue against the facts that he’s presented is a futile exercise. You’re clearly outmatched – as you are by almost everyone who posts (or tries to post) on your pathetic little homage to hockey math.
It’s unfortunate the “blocking” feature doesn’t work in Firefox on OS X. Because of that, I’m reminded on a nearly daily basis that someone as disreputable as The Link Goes To Himself still has a place on the best hockey site in the world. And that’s just a damn shame.
Posted by OlderThanChelios on 10/26/11 at 03:32 PM ET
This is where I’ll jump in as TPSH and I have locked horns a number of times.
If you need an example of where you admitted you deleted Chris’ comments, click here. While you claim that Chris was making ” a personal attack or pointless spam”, there’s no way to refute your claim since the evidence is long gone. That creates speculation. Chris backed-up his statements, and never once was insulting to you.
Not only that, but you confirm what I said and then try to twist the logic by ignorning the facts presented to prove that you were right and I was wrong. That’s petty if nothing else.
Your lack of hockey comprehension and your admission that you don’t watch all the hockey you claim you do was evidenced greatly in your belief in your own numbers in this piece. You and I fenced for a long time with me offering many chances for you to back down on Jonathan Bernier being the AHL MVP. I presented fact after fact after fact that shot down your MVP selection and even offered to buy you an AHL Live package so you could watch more than the highlights you admitted to only watching if Bernier was indeed the MVP, yet you decided to call into question my integrity. What did you have to lose other than pride and credibility? You had everything to gain, but you didn’t believe I would pay up. Nice job.
Before you go rattling off crap about me, TPSH, I almost wrote for this very site. I am still honoured to have been considered by Paul and Alanah for this site, but the more I read the stuff you have done, the less I want to be associated with the site. It’s the lying and the covering up and the baffling denials that really would question my association with anything to do with your blog.
Paul, in no way is this a nod towards your site as I love the other bloggers, but the vast number of people who are registering legitimate complaints about TPSH has to cause you some worry, no?
Posted by Teebz on 10/26/11 at 03:35 PM ET
In the interest of disclosure, I’m not a lawyer.
But I have passed many bars in my life.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 03:37 PM ET
In the interest of disclosure, I’m not a lawyer.
Well, my mistake. But it doesn’t change the fact that Tricycle Boy is clearly outmatched when gets into a discussion with you.
But I have passed many bars in my life.
And you count yourself as one of The 19. Shameful. Just shameful.
Posted by OlderThanChelios on 10/26/11 at 03:47 PM ET
I will say this about TPSH, he seems to put some work into his blog. Yes, I agree many of his posts confound me with their logic (or lack thereof); but, still, he seems to put a lot of work into posting here.
I rarely respond to his posts. One time I did this past summer, he dismissively waved off my comments, even though I provided substantial numbers and evidence to prove his assertions were wrong.
Whatever…the problem is his complete inability to take constructive criticism at all. All criticism is seen as a personal attack on him, and thus his inability to create many posts that do not devolve into accusatory sparring with multiple people.
TPSH, I appreciate your passion for the sport; but you should really step back and reflect on how easily you become defensive when disagreement comes your way.
Should you be able to create a post concerning who the leading Norris Trophy candidate is? Of course. But you should also be ready to defend such a post when we have yet to reach Halloween.
That is, obviously, merely one example of many.
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 10/26/11 at 04:34 PM ET
Lindas1st, I like your avatar.
I’d like to repay the nice gesture by creating an avatar that celebrates the fact the Pens almost left town, twice.
What would be a good one?
Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 10/26/11 at 04:36 PM ET
Posted by Red Winger from oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes on 10/26/11 at 04:36 PM ET
Someone’s a little grouchy.
As for this whole point, why doesn’t the old, if you don’t like it, don’t read it line that always gets put up at A2Y work here as well? If you think/know that your posts are going to get deleted or modified, why post there?
Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 10/26/11 at 05:40 PM ET
If you think/know that your posts are going to get deleted or modified, why post there?
I no longer do. But when the topic gets addressed directly, I put in my 2-cents worth. Also, the issue w/ A2Y is that non-Wings fans don’t like us or what we have to say there, and often that is all the response they offer. So, yeah, if you don’t like hearing pro-Red Wings talk on a Red Wings-centric blog, go elsewhere. I don’t go to the Penguins blog and complain about all the Pens talk.
But the TPSH blog is agnostic - it purports to offer up stats and analysis with no real allegiance to a team. And the issues people have aren’t with the content, it’s with the behavior of the blogger.
Like I said, I now block his blog and will never venture there again, but his behavior reflects poorly on the entire KK site, IMO. I just felt justified in offering my feedback in hopes of raising the level of KK by ridding it of this one blog.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 05:48 PM ET
As for this whole point, why doesn’t the old, if you don’t like it, don’t read it line that always gets put up at A2Y work here as well? If you think/know that your posts are going to get deleted or modified, why post there?
It does.
I just wanted those who were not familiar with TPSH to know that this is the way it is so they don’t have to learn the hard way.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 06:05 PM ET
I chipped in to show solidarity as I was also victim of having my comments deleted for challenging TPSH’s conclusions with evidence that contradicted him. It is a bad blog and I have blocked it. But I no longer read his statistical reading of tea leaves and chicken bones.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/26/11 at 07:38 PM ET
Also, the issue w/ A2Y is that non-Wings fans don’t like us or what we have to say there, and often that is all the response they offer. So, yeah, if you don’t like hearing pro-Red Wings talk on a Red Wings-centric blog, go elsewhere.
i think the fact that any anti-wings talk on A2Y get you banned, while A2Y members routinely break KK rules might be an issue, too.
just a guess.
Posted by bob loblaw on 10/26/11 at 09:21 PM ET
Bob Loblaw:
Anti-Wing talk will never get you banned at A2Y or KK. Being belligerent or extremely distasteful will. I can oy speak for myself, I have never asked Paul to remove a comment at A2Y EVER other than deleting unauthorized advertising by spammers.
In regards to commenting, not blogging, I try and tailor my comments to the tone the blogger themselves set for their own blog. I am a visitor and will respect the host’s wishes, in general. I try to never swear or be off colour commenting at KK, while at A2Y I will definitely be offensive to some casual readers. Then again, I am following the blog’s tone.
Sometimes those who set a certain tone don’t like the same in return. I’ve been banned from several sarcastic/aggresive blogs for various offenses. I was banned at Mile High Hockey for saying their goalie was having a good game; he was. I was banned at Pensblog for listing 10 reasons (pre-multiple rape allegation)Ben Roethlisberger (sp?) was a better sports figure than Crosby. My posts were routinely deleted by Greg on his blog here so he could deflect criticism or a small joke at his expense.
JJ is a very reasonable poster and commentator, as well as an excellent blogger. His mind is sharp and very aware of faulty arguments and logical fallacies. Unfortunately for all of us, Greg’s blog is full of it. For him to have EDITED a comment without leaving a blatent notice he had is, frankly, shameful.
I am honoured if people read my entire conment or blog. I appreciate any comment in response to my thoughts. I post under the same handle, mostly, across any internet message board. When I began to contribute to A2Y as a blogger, I felt compelled to list my full name, for the first time online to remain accountable for every word I write in the real world.
Greg lacks that respect for his readers’ comments and accountability in general. I question the ethics of editing without a posted record of any comment posted. Deletion, at the host’s discretion, is fine; hopefully they moderate their deletion powers well. I believe Kukla to be one of the most even-handed bloggers anywhere, he is very discretionary about his moderation
Posted by VooX from Behind the Bar in the Hasek Club Car on 10/26/11 at 10:03 PM ET
i think the fact that any anti-wings talk on A2Y get you banned
This is not a fact, it is an extremely irresponsible exaggeration.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/26/11 at 10:04 PM ET
Anti-Wing talk will never get you banned at A2Y or KK
it will, and it has…all while A2Y posters make personal attack after personal attack.
call someone a fa**ot? paul has no issue with that, as long as your a A2Y member.
post on A2Y about how you’re happy the wings lost? IP ban.
this guy isn’t fooling anyone.
Posted by bob loblaw on 10/26/11 at 10:37 PM ET
Anti-Wing talk will never get you banned at A2Y or KK
it will, and it has…all while A2Y posters make personal attack after personal attack.call someone a fa**ot? paul has no issue with that, as long as your a A2Y member.
post on A2Y about how you’re happy the wings lost? IP ban.
this guy isn’t fooling anyone.
Posted by bob loblaw on 10/26/11 at 10:37 PM ET
If you have an issue with me, email me, don’t hide behind an anonymous name and no email address.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/26/11 at 10:40 PM ET
How appropriate that the lying troll is using a screen name of a Scott Baio character. He thinks he’s a Fonz, but he’s really a Chachi. It’s sad, really.
Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/26/11 at 10:50 PM ET
He thinks he’s a Fonz, but he’s really a Chachi.
More like a Potsie.
Posted by awould on 10/26/11 at 11:11 PM ET
Wowzerrs JJ Can o’ worms all over the super highway. You are right with your logic and all comments about TPSH. He is the emperor without his clothes. Pretty sad and pathetic really. Never read his posts and statistics anymore. There just isn’t any sense or logic to any of it. I won’t even respond to the troll. I really hope you get down to the bottom of these accusations Paul and deal with them appropriatly. Yours and this blog’s integrity is very important to uphold. I think you ban people when and if it is necessary. That goes for Red Wing fans or others.
Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 10/26/11 at 11:39 PM ET
While it’s nice to see someone finally take TPSH to task for his behaviour as a blogger it is a bit of a stain on KK’s reputation that in his defense all he can do is troll the thread. That is rather unfortunate and quite sad.
Posted by Iggy_Rules on 10/27/11 at 08:27 AM ET
TPH still writes?
Why, exactly?
Unfortunately, the answer to that is: Because he still can.
Only Paul can put an end to the underhanded and disreputable behavior of the little boy on the tricycle. Failing to do so tarnishes the image and reputation of the finest hockey site on the Web. Let’s hope he chooses to listen to the overwhelming outcry in JJs post for TPSH’s removal. It’s the right thing to do – and long past due.
Posted by OlderThanChelios on 10/27/11 at 06:33 PM ET
I just wanted to voice my support for, and agreement with JJ as well.
Posted by 13datsyukfan13 from Mid Michigan on 10/27/11 at 07:45 PM ET
JJ rules.
TPSH drools.
Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC from ...somewhere southwest of The Motor City... on 11/07/11 at 07:15 PM ET
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